Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #3: Vaccines

[Kurve]

In what sense? Ive been talking govt corruption for rich boys for months now. You keep saying "its not a big deal, it happens all the time" (which is true but not a acceptable standard). And here we are. Govt corruption causes lockdown

Like what more do you want here?

I don't keep saying that at all. I responded in context to ONE of your posts where you linked something in from the UK and tagged me in after I'd been out most of the afternoon and just got back in. And you think that one comment gives you license to falsely assign personal and moral failures and expect me to take it seriously.

Have a nice day.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I think you have no real idea what you're talking about

Still trying to puzzle out the previous posts...

 

[zill]

Maybe the issue isnt necessarily either of us, but the fact that Australia is no longer a pure democracy, rather more of a Murdochocracy of sorts where the media picks and chooses who we want and we just abide by it

Not really sure why you keep bringing up murdoch when talking about the msm. All the tv stations and radio are pushing the covid fear and vaccines, he isn't involved with any of that as far as i can tell (except sky news, which isn't accessible to most people). This isn't just one entity pushing this stuff, it's all of them.

 

[burge13]

Not really sure why you keep bringing up murdoch when talking about the msm. All the tv stations and radio are pushing the covid fear and vaccines, he isn't involved with any of that as far as i can tell (except sky news, which isn't accessible to most people). This isn't just one entity pushing this stuff, it's all of them.

They all give out what rates

While we have the most braindead, drone-like, general public who fall for clickbait sensationalism, they will continue to do it.

That's why I said over a year ago, covid dies when the media no longer profit from it. Turn off the tv, it's gone. Very, very simple

 

[faible]

Africa basically untouched - seems odd?

Didn't South Africa have it's whole own variant?

Also, are you presuming the data from many African countries would be accurate? I'd be pretty skeptical about the accuracy of numbers coming out of Bangladesh as well.

 

[faible]

Taiwan doesn’t exist according to the WHO.

This is the WHO that we shouldn't listen to though right? So who cares what they think about Taiwan.

Yet the entire western world takes public health and political advice from them.

Surely you'd be in favour of taking best-practice advice from anywhere that can provide evidence of it working?

In all honesty the spread in NSW is very much 100% on the attitude of Aristotle, owen, Hawk Dork, and co

You keep trying to shoehorn me in to things, then complain when you can't provide any evidence of anything.

How about attempting to make your points without trying to throw mud at other posters about something they've never said or commented upon.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This is the WHO that we shouldn't listen to though right? So who cares what they think about Taiwan.



Surely you'd be in favour of taking best-practice advice from anywhere that can provide evidence of it working?



You keep trying to shoehorn me in to things, then complain when you can't provide any evidence of anything.

How about attempting to make your points without trying to throw mud at other posters about something they've never said or commented upon.

Im throwing mud at the religion behind it and you are representing it in this thread. You cant cherry pick what part of the process you like and dont like based on how it suits your feelings at any given time.

Your opinion creates a link between the consequences of it and quite simply you cant keep blaming outside sources like long term political issues as the entire cause without any evidence at all behind it. Lockdowns cause less Covid deaths of course, but they course harm too. You continual refusal to acknowledge it will be called up on.

You can call it mud, I can call it personal responsibility for your actions and opinions

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Anecdotally, I wasn't listening closely. Last week on SEN there was a spot from a guy at Mt Buller (I think?) announcing that the snow season was open and people could come over, but they had to have proof of being vaccinated. I had a feeling that maybe people don't give a sh*t about going to the snow that much and that it may discourage form people from going. But that was my internal opinion.

Lo and behold, the same guy was on SEN today saying you could come over now and didn't need proof of vaccination.

Next month's British Grand Prix has just been allowed full capacity. But you have to have a negative lateral flow test (Whatever TF that is?) within two days of turning up to the track or proof of full vaccination within two weeks of the event.

The British GP is one of the better attended races in F1. So it'll be interesting for me to see the turnout.

It was proof of a negative Covid test required, not proof of vaccination. They can't ask for that as hardly anyone has actually been vaccinated (only around 5% fully vaccinated at the moment I believe). I personally know someone who has cancelled their trip to the snow because of the requirement to have the negative Covid test so I'm sure there are others.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

I know this might sound like a really really stupid question, but what exactly does a case mean? Do we know that they are even symptomatic?
Imagine we send a Case into a crowded lift with 20 people for an hour - do we know how many are likely to be infected? How many of them will be symptomatic?
Is any of this known? Have I missed it?

No, none of it is known.

 

[ioppolo]

I assume most cases are asymptomatic. These first few people to be infected seem to visit many places over a few days. As sick people do

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I assume most cases are asymptomatic. These first few people to be infected seem to visit many places over a few days. As sick people do

Doctor - "Sir, its not good. It looks like you are about to die. You dont have much time left"
Patient - "Oh okay, firstly though can I go to David Jones, the local cafe, Bunings to purchase some timber, back home so I can finish my home decking, then to my local gym for a workout and afterwards dinner at Events Cinemas in Gold Class"
Doctor - "Yeah I dont see why not, dont forget to visit Woolworths to pick up some ice cream though"

 

[Catfish Alley]

Don’t hear much news from the East but watching hockey now. Montreal obviously given up on the whole social distancing thing. Haha.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Ill argue legitimately 100% that if the govt put 130 billion that Jobkeeper cost into the following

If the Govt had not contributed to Job Keeper they would not have had a spare 130bn dollars as you put it. They would have been using it to pay the 30% unemployment queue. Added to that:
75% of small businesses would have closed. Small business accounts for 60% employment in Australia.
Individual bankruptcies and company insolvency would have skyrocketed.
Tax receipts to the Govt would have plummeted.
Corporations would have been making staff redundant by the thousands.
Super funds would be going to the wall as people desperately tried to access their money.
The share market would have plummeted and our dollar would have been at the 50-60 cent mark
Insurance companies premiums would evaporate overnight and many would have started to feel the pressure and a few may not have survived.
Banks would have been foreclosing on properties and we would have been in a situation much worst than the depression.
We probably would have seen civil chaos never experienced in Australia.
Public servants got paid, but it would only be a matter of time before they too were made redundant or forced to take 50% pay as Govt receipts started to evaporate.

You are clueless how sensitive our economy and the world economy has become. Your personal financial position may make you immune from all this, but I suggest you take a serious look at the bigger question.


- Improved healthcare system with more beds, more ambulances, more nurses, more access to newer technology such as antibody treatments

Been done, still not enough.

- Tougher stance and more resources on reducing drug supply on our streets
Feel good statement. It is a war that can never be won. Every copper I have spoken to agrees. Courts refuse to support the police as does the Govt. Better to legalize the distribution and have the Govt make a few billion on the taxes they would receive by selling it legally.

- Improved mental health care setup
Budgeted for in current State Budget. Ambitious plan, but have to wait and see what happens.

- Funding in preventing smoking and obesity by subsidising healthy living options such as gym, bottled water, Quit smoking programs

Waste of money because nobody pays attention. People stopped smoking because a pack of cigarettes costs $30.00. Triple the price of fast foods with a tax and use that money to subsidize fresh fruit and vegetables, then watch what happens.

- Increased funding in domestic violence support

Daniel Andrews has spent over 100million on this, but as soon as offenders get to the courts, they are slapped on the wrist and allowed to walk. Until the Govt and Courts get serious with male offenders, women and their kids will continue to die in horrific ways all because of idiot males. Example: A male charged with 10 counts of rape will get a reduction in the sentence and would be lucky to serve 5-7 years. Have seen it time and time again. Once upon a time rape meant 12-15 years in jail. Nowadays, an offender would be lucky to get 3 years.

- Increased funding in overseas aid packages to improve living conditions in the Asia Pacific region
So what you are saying is that the Govt would tell the Australian people hey, we can't afford to pay you Jobkeeper, but we are going to increase the money for S/East Asian countries because they are more important. S/East Asian countries do not vote...

- Increased funding in Aboriginal communities in improving and fixing water and food supply issues

Federal Govt's of Labor & Liberal has spent billions on Aboriginal welfare. Which policy worked? The ATM card and prohibition of grog in Aboriginal communities. The left were outraged, but the women were grateful as the rapes, beatings, child sex subsided as access to alcohol was reduced. I want to see a much better co-ordinated response where the public gets an annual report to show what has been achieved, the success's and failures.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If the Govt had not contributed to Job Keeper they would not have had a spare 130bn dollars as you put it. They would have been using it to pay the 30% unemployment queue. Added to that:
75% of small businesses would have closed. Small business accounts for 60% employment in Australia.
Individual bankruptcies and company insolvency would have skyrocketed.
Tax receipts to the Govt would have plummeted.
Corporations would have been making staff redundant by the thousands.
Super funds would be going to the wall as people desperately tried to access their money.
The share market would have plummeted and our dollar would have been at the 50-60 cent mark
Insurance companies premiums would evaporate overnight and many would have started to feel the pressure and a few may not have survived.
Banks would have been foreclosing on properties and we would have been in a situation much worst than the depression.
We probably would have seen civil chaos never experienced in Australia.
Public servants got paid, but it would only be a matter of time before they too were made redundant or forced to take 50% pay as Govt receipts started to evaporate.

You are clueless how sensitive our economy and the world economy has become. Your personal financial position may make you immune from all this, but I suggest you take a serious look at the bigger question.


- Improved healthcare system with more beds, more ambulances, more nurses, more access to newer technology such as antibody treatments

Been done, still not enough.

- Tougher stance and more resources on reducing drug supply on our streets
Feel good statement. It is a war that can never be won. Every copper I have spoken to agrees. Courts refuse to support the police as does the Govt. Better to legalize the distribution and have the Govt make a few billion on the taxes they would receive by selling it legally.

- Improved mental health care setup
Budgeted for in current State Budget. Ambitious plan, but have to wait and see what happens.

- Funding in preventing smoking and obesity by subsidising healthy living options such as gym, bottled water, Quit smoking programs

Waste of money because nobody pays attention. People stopped smoking because a pack of cigarettes costs $30.00. Triple the price of fast foods with a tax and use that money to subsidize fresh fruit and vegetables, then watch what happens.

- Increased funding in domestic violence support

Daniel Andrews has spent over 100million on this, but as soon as offenders get to the courts, they are slapped on the wrist and allowed to walk. Until the Govt and Courts get serious with male offenders, women and their kids will continue to die in horrific ways all because of idiot males. Example: A male charged with 10 counts of rape will get a reduction in the sentence and would be lucky to serve 5-7 years. Have seen it time and time again. Once upon a time rape meant 12-15 years in jail. Nowadays, an offender would be lucky to get 3 years.

- Increased funding in overseas aid packages to improve living conditions in the Asia Pacific region
So what you are saying is that the Govt would tell the Australian people hey, we can't afford to pay you Jobkeeper, but we are going to increase the money for S/East Asian countries because they are more important. S/East Asian countries do not vote...

- Increased funding in Aboriginal communities in improving and fixing water and food supply issues

Federal Govt's of Labor & Liberal has spent billions on Aboriginal welfare. Which policy worked? The ATM card and prohibition of grog in Aboriginal communities. The left were outraged, but the women were grateful as the rapes, beatings, child sex subsided as access to alcohol was reduced. I want to see a much better co-ordinated response where the public gets an annual report to show what has been achieved, the success's and failures.

A random rant but lll address it since its long

Firstly, 30% unemployment doesnt happen when a treatable illness is in the community. If you dont lock down and you use proven treatment methods 30% unemployment aint happening. Id have spent that 130 billion but never locked down is my call and if I did lockdown it would have beeen 2 weeks max with small business suppoorted and Bunnings told to lump it, not the other way around

More hospital beds has NOT been done. Western Australia had more hospital beds in 1991 then it does in 2021. Insane really

Drugs is a war that cannot be won? Id say preventing a 90 year old from dieing sits in that same category, moreso in fact.

Mental health care budgeting is a band-aid only. And a pathetically small one at that

Disagree on a waste of money for smoking. Giving more money to unemployed people is the true waste of money.

Agree with the domestic violence statement. Weak efforts by Andrews isnt enough to give up though. More needs to be done

Im saying no lockdowns, no need for jobkeeper which means more foreign aid

None of the policies have worked. Just like none of the Covid policies have worked. We need better govt for sure. Not disputing that

 

[zill]

If the Govt had not contributed to Job Keeper they would not have had a spare 130bn dollars as you put it.....

So to avoid all you posted they just printed a bunch of money, kicking the can down the road for a few more years. The economic impact from these lockdowns will be felt for decades. How many would have even realised there was a killer virus on the loose if it wasn't shoved down our throats 24/7? Govt intervention is all about getting reelected and the latest taxpayer rort. We need less govt, not more.

 

[faible]

Im throwing mud at the religion behind it and you are representing it in this thread. You cant cherry pick what part of the process you like and dont like based on how it suits your feelings at any given time.

Your opinion creates a link between the consequences of it and quite simply you cant keep blaming outside sources like long term political issues as the entire cause without any evidence at all behind it. Lockdowns cause less Covid deaths of course, but they course harm too. You continual refusal to acknowledge it will be called up on.

You can call it mud, I can call it personal responsibility for your actions and opinions

I call it you goalpost shifting and cherry picking, or outright making up things people say in order to attack some imaginary enemy that makes you feel like you're fighting the good fight or some such.

I've been critical of politicians for dropping the ball on properly managing the vaccine rollout and hotel quarantine in order to avoid these exact situations occurring. I am however, not living in a fantasy land whereby we can just let it rip and be fine, because nowhere on earth has managed to pull that off.

You've created this image of me in your mind that represents everything you hate or disagree with, so at any given opportunity will try to drag me in as an example irrespective of whether I've said or done anything in any way relevant. Conversely, you'll support those you view as 'on your side' no matter what they say or do. You've literally supported the view that we're in a situation analogous to that of the Jewish people during the Holocaust, because you believed the person was on your side of the fence, and tried to argue it with me that it's correct.

 

[faible]

Giving more money to unemployed people is the true waste of money.

On this; people in lower socioeconimic brackets are more likely to spend the money they receive, putting it back in to the economy. So in actual fact, you're better off handing it to the unemployed than to the middle class and up, where it's more likely not to be spent.

 

[M Malice]

Just got back from visiting my 85 year old Auntie at the Royal Brisbane Hospital(not Covid related), I was amazed at the amount of people in the Covid testing queue, would have been hundreds and when we were on the way out an hour or so later there were still hundreds waiting, 90% without masks and looking quite jovial and fine health wise, certainly didn't hear/see any sweating, coughing, sneezing, blowing of noses etc.

Why asymptomatic people go to get tested is dumbfounding, IMO it is some kind of perverse attention seeking disorder.... look look at me I may have a deadly disease, please look at me, pay me the attention I bravely deserve.

 

[faible]

Why asymptomatic people go to get tested is dumbfounding, IMO it is some kind of perverse attention seeking disorder.... look look at me I may have a deadly disease, please look at me, pay me the attention I bravely deserve.

Alternatively, they're just normal people trying to do what they think is the right thing?

Seems like a pretty big leap to claim it's attention seeking behaviour unless they're all individually going on social media to talk about how #brave they are.

 

[M Malice]

Alternatively, they're just normal people trying to do what they think is the right thing?

Seems like a pretty big leap to claim it's attention seeking behaviour unless they're all individually going on social media to talk about how #brave they are.

Bingo owen, haven't you seen the way western/celebrity culture is going, social media is mostly about whoring for likes and attention, it's seeping into real life.

If you have symptoms why wouldn't you be wearing a mask while queuing up for a test? Seems pretty dangerous and foolhardy behaviour if you believe the deadly super spreader virus narrative.

 

[faible]

Bingo owen, haven't you seen the way western/celebrity culture is going, social media is mostly about whoring for likes and attention, it's seeping into real life.

If you have symptoms why wouldn't you be wearing a mask while queuing up for a test? Seems pretty dangerous and foolhardy behaviour if you believe the deadly super spreader virus narrative.

Without reading up on the latest advice from Queensland, I know in VIC when there's been cases identified in the wild they've asked people from those areas to go and get tested no matter how minor the symptom. I imagine quite a few would 'know' they don't have it, but are doing what they've been asked to do just to make sure.

I think assuming they're all doing it for attention seeking is a long bow to draw.

 

[M Malice]

Without reading up on the latest advice from Queensland, I know in VIC when there's been cases identified in the wild they've asked people from those areas to go and get tested no matter how minor the symptom. I imagine quite a few would 'know' they don't have it, but are doing what they've been asked to do just to make sure.

I think assuming they're all doing it for attention seeking is a long bow to draw.

I agree probably not all but in my uneducated opinion a lot of them would be posting a selfie of themselves in the Covid queue with a sad face emoji attached.

Seriously no masks in a Covid queue, please explain?

 

[Lethal Knights]

This is the WHO that we shouldn't listen to though right? So who cares what they think about Taiwan.



Surely you'd be in favour of taking best-practice advice from anywhere that can provide evidence of it working?



You keep trying to shoehorn me in to things, then complain when you can't provide any evidence of anything.

How about attempting to make your points without trying to throw mud at other posters about something they've never said or commented upon.

So you are happy to take advice from the WHO who aren’t compromised at all , don’t recognise Taiwan and told the world human to human transmission didn’t exist at Chinas behest?
But they’re also best practice right?
Lol

 

[faible]

Seriously no masks in a Covid queue, please explain?

People are stupid?

 

[yebiga]

Just got back from visiting my 85 year old Auntie at the Royal Brisbane Hospital(not Covid related), I was amazed at the amount of people in the Covid testing queue, would have been hundreds and when we were on the way out an hour or so later there were still hundreds waiting, 90% without masks and looking quite jovial and fine health wise, certainly didn't hear/see any sweating, coughing, sneezing, blowing of noses etc.

Why asymptomatic people go to get tested is dumbfounding, IMO it is some kind of perverse attention seeking disorder.... look look at me I may have a deadly disease, please look at me, pay me the attention I bravely deserve.

After a test, they get paid to stay at home until they get their negative result. Don't know if it is still happening but that was the case here in victoria months ago.