Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #3: Vaccines

Where do you stand with COVID-19 vaccines?

  • I've already been vaccinated (at least once)

    Votes: 24 27.6%

  • I intend to get vaccinated soon (first shot)

    Votes: 12 13.8%

  • I'll wait for more studies or doctor's advice

    Votes: 7 8.0%

  • I'll wait until old age or a safer vaccine

    Votes: 5 5.7%

  • I don't intend to get any Covid vaccine

    Votes: 39 44.8%
  • Total voters
    87

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If you're in the Northern Hemisphere, I wouldn't be getting too carried away just yet.

The next winter('21/'22) over there is going to answer a lot of questions, given that a large % of the population will have been inoculated by that point - if they start seeing big spikes in case numbers(as is common with respiratory diseases/viruses in the winter months) then I think it will be time to call Houston.
 
Catfish Alley said:
For what purpose? I think it’s fine to make your own choice on health. But things really are getting to pre-2020 around the world. What is the purpose of faking things? What’s the end game?
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Things aren't getting back to pre 2020 at all though. Can you travel internationally? Besides money and control I can't really think why the vaccines are being pushed so hard, with so much censorship. The more it gets shoved in my face the more dubious of the whole thing I get though. Nothing but lies from the beginning.

What do you think is going on, do you think the global response was justified, even when more lies are getting exposed all the time. Like the suppression of alternatives to the experimental vaccines, adverse effects, the origin of the virus. All if this was and is heavily censored.
 
Bumpswithagrin said:
Bad news for the Melbourne supporters, you have to have a negative Covid test to go skiing :tearsofjoy:

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Just bypass Vic regional and go to NSW, screw the vic government and their draconian bullshit i say.

Australian Open, F1, Boxing day test should all send a message and move it out of Victoria with the reason being " we don't trust you to stay open "

Vic government truly are disgusting IMO, the way they treat Melburnians is nothing short of shameful.
 

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Bumpswithagrin said:
Yep, when my latest grand niece was born last year her parents put out a thing saying get a whooping cough vax or you can't see the baby for six weeks (or something like that). Happy to sit out the six weeks but then the lockdowns hit so couldn't visit her anyway :rolleyes:

My mum had quite bad whooping cough apparently, BUT... that was back in the 1920s and she still lived to tell the tale. She reckoned it affected her sight and had to wear glasses after that but I'm not sure if that was just a connection she made or something that's actually a proven side effect.
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My Dad caught whooping cough as a baby; it left him blind in one eye :(

I'd definitely vaccinate with MMR, DTP and the like. Measles & mumps are usually harmless, but in the worst case scenario they can both cause brain swelling which is basically fatal. I'm generally pro-vaccine, except for flu shots and I'm sceptical of these rushed Covid vaccines. I'd prefer if they took a bit longer to get them right.
 
Dogs_R_Us said:
Sorry but that’s not true. Measles can be serious in young children and in adults. Lasting side effects include pneumonia, ear problems and in third world communities, encephalitis. The vaccine’s benefits shouldn’t be trivialised. It’s reduced the death rate in children worldwide.

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Measles

Measles remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine.
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The rates were dropping significantly, pharma would like you to think they are responsible for saving the world.
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Fellow Posters, I have had a change of heart. To get to the end of this covid plan and evolve to a culture that can again hope to respect individual sanctity and civil rights, we need to have these lockdowns and restrictions, face masks, QR surveillance all to double down. This might sound counter intuitive and insane. However, a people who can become hysterical over a flu are weak and craven. They are already at their wits end. They will not cope - this last stint in Melbourne has ruined them. Bring it on.

Because, I feel like I'm just warming up for the fight. The battleground is now laid clear. We know what this disease is, we know the treatment options, we know where the skeletons are. It would be a grave mistake to let them off the hook now.

The mass psychological game being played on us is a double edged sword. There are endless successful examples of governments bullying and terrorising their population into submission. But every political upheaval and revolution through out history also has another unmissable characteristic. Once authorities put their foot on our throats and went into the long lockdowns back in 2020, they cannot let up. Each respite, where restrictions are eased undermines credibility and authority. People become more and more cynical and disobedient. This has now occurred on 3 occasions in Melbourne and Victoria. For the third time the narrative is shattered, and each time there is more cynicism.

To support my rather perverse supposition, the states that have been subject to the least amount of lockdowns and reprieves should ergo be the most trusting of their state government, least cynical of covid and most compliant - enter into evidence Western Australia and McGowan cruising at 95% popularity and increasing talk of WA succession from us diseased eastern states.

I'm rooting for a 4th and 5th - let's see how much stomach resilience they have - lets lockdown indefinitely. Lets crack Melbourne - lets break the facade and let the rage free.
The very worst thing that could happen now is that we move on and pretend nothing happened - let it seethe. The damage is already done and a bit more should be an awakening - eye on the reckoning. Oh boy!
 
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owen87 said:
Well, zero-cases is a nice goal to achieve as it meant for quite a whole over summer we lived a life that was about 99% normal, including being able to have close to 80k at the Anzac Day game.

That should have been supported by appropriately managing HQ and the vaccine rollout at the Federal level, but hasn't been.

Now the Federal Government is playing politics by not promising anything they could possibly be responsible for prior to the election.
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Thats not a we, thats a me statement

We is more grander then your own thoughts. What about the WE who work in the tourism industry out of work because they cant get a job, what about the WE who work in mental healthcare and are seeing a 100% increase in patients? What about the WE who have parents and family overseas who cannot be visited due to the locked borders? What about the WE who buried children with less than 10 other people because of lockdown laws?

Your self absorbed version of WE isnt fooling anyone. Change that statement to ME please and atleast then it will have some truth to it
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Thats not a we, thats a me statement

We is more grander then your own thoughts. What about the WE who work in the tourism industry out of work because they cant get a job, what about the WE who work in mental healthcare and are seeing a 100% increase in patients? What about the WE who have parents and family overseas who cannot be visited due to the locked borders? What about the WE who buried children with less than 10 other people because of lockdown laws?

Your self absorbed version of WE isnt fooling anyone. Change that statement to ME please and atleast then it will have some truth to it
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Quickest way out for us or it might actually be the only way out now, is to get vaxxed.
 
Kurve said:
Quickest way out for us or it might actually be the only way out now, is to get vaxxed.
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As a means to an end it is. The most convincing reason to pull the sleeve up is to allow our politicians to get out of the corner they have so horribly backed themselves into the past 15 months
 
imadodgyumpire said:
I'm happy for more lockdowns only if means that I can spend some quality time getting to know and comforting Kirsty Robbie.
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You won't miss seeing Dan Andrews' funny face attached to his 75yr old like, osteoporosis ridden hunchback frame? Or Martin 'mastiff' Foley's overweight inspired man-jowl?

No wonder the sex starved 50 something yr old women think Sutton looks the goods..
 

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Kurve said:
I give you Birx and you try to raise me with Dexter ... really?
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No, you gave me rubbish defecting from experimental mRNA from the COIVD injection found in almost every organ in the body in autopsy, causing severe inflammation initially, then organ failure and death.

It's not Dexter and it was a fitting reply to the weak Brix effort, but keep changing the subject.
 
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Fwoy said:
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Is the script saying it's OK to get the COIVD injection while pregnant or get the jab and although it's unknown if it affects fertility, you can get pregnant later?

Get the facts from UK's reliable yellow card data.

FFS why would anyone, male (Sperm testing still ongoing in Florida research) or female of childbearing age that still wants the choice of getting pregnant get the COVID injections until this research has been completed or looked at in more detail.

"Given that vaccinated pregnant women comprise a small proportion of the vaccinated population in the UK up to 26th May 2021, there appear to be a high number of Pregnancy ADRs (307 ADRs), including one maternal death, 12 stillbirths (reported as 6 stillbirths and 6 foetal deaths, but only 3 listed as fatal(?)), one newborn death following preterm birth, and 150 spontaneous abortions. We have submitted a FOI request as to the cause of the maternal death and will look into pregnancy and congenital ADRs in more detail in our next report."
 
zill said:
Things aren't getting back to pre 2020 at all though. Can you travel internationally? Besides money and control I can't really think why the vaccines are being pushed so hard, with so much censorship. The more it gets shoved in my face the more dubious of the whole thing I get though. Nothing but lies from the beginning.

What do you think is going on, do you think the global response was justified, even when more lies are getting exposed all the time. Like the suppression of alternatives to the experimental vaccines, adverse effects, the origin of the virus. All if this was and is heavily censored.
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We can travel to quite a few places. Flights around to USA, Europe and a few Asian cities at the moment. Just had some friends come back from Maui. They are discussing opening the land border down south pretty soon. The big difference compared to pre-2020 is just having to wear masks inside some shops at the moment. And sport. We don't have crowds at sport like in Australia. It's promising to see concerts scheduled now for summer though.

Put simply, I think there is a virus and some countries and governments just suck and tried to push limits. Victoria near the top of that pile. The lack of clear targets from Australia is disturbing. I'm frustrated by it and I'm 12,000km away.

Money makes sense. I'm sure some countries come out of this with more money and power. In some circumstances I think politicians and governments are just inept and clinging to power. I don't think they are evil geniuses. Certainly don't think many are capable of taking part in some global cabal. And I don't think the vaccines are there to kill people or are nefarious. I actually think the global response with them was impressive. As for the suppression of it's origin, well, I imagine intelligence agencies are all on top of that. The public may never hear the details there simply because it's China. Nobody is willing to take on China.
 
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Catfish Alley said:
We can travel to quite a few places. Flights around to USA, Europe and a few Asian cities at the moment. Just had some friends come back from Maui. They are discussing opening the land border down south pretty soon. The big difference compared to pre-2020 is just having to wear masks inside some shops at the moment. And sport. We don't have crowds at sport like in Australia. It's promising to see concerts scheduled now for summer though.

Put simply, I think there is a virus and some countries and governments just suck and tried to push limits. Victoria near the top of that pile. The lack of clear targets from Australia is disturbing. I'm frustrated by it and I'm 12,000km away.

Money makes sense. I'm sure some countries come out of this with more money and power. In some circumstances I think politicians and governments are just inept and clinging to power. I don't think they are evil geniuses. Certainly don't think many are capable of taking part in some global cabal. And I don't think the vaccines are there to kill people or are nefarious. I actually think the global response with them was impressive. As for the suppression of it's origin, well, I imagine intelligence agencies are all on top of that. The public may never hear the details there simply because it's China. Nobody is willing to take on China.
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What's the old saying, never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Thats not a we, thats a me statement

We is more grander then your own thoughts. What about the WE who work in the tourism industry out of work because they cant get a job, what about the WE who work in mental healthcare and are seeing a 100% increase in patients? What about the WE who have parents and family overseas who cannot be visited due to the locked borders? What about the WE who buried children with less than 10 other people because of lockdown laws?

Your self absorbed version of WE isnt fooling anyone. Change that statement to ME please and atleast then it will have some truth to it
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Typical response from you. Misrepresent what I write then launch in to personal attacks.

Safe to say, easy to ignore the nonsense you post when it’s not only incorrect, but coming from a person who is entirely unable to step away from supporting their ‘side’.
 
owen87 said:
Typical response from you. Misrepresent what I write then launch in to personal attacks.

Safe to say, easy to ignore the nonsense you post when it’s not only incorrect, but coming from a person who is entirely unable to step away from supporting their ‘side’.
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No misrepresentation there. You equate normality with 80k at a footballing ground and use that as a concept to position 99% success. I equate normality about being with your family when you want, saying goodbye to loved ones in a respectful manner, having people not call up mental health lines in alarming proportions. Things that actually have a social impact and are not at best frivolous consumerism.

You chose your examples and I chose mine. Mine are more social impacts, yours are more personal impacts. Yours is a keyboard warrior opinion because I know for fact you wouldnt have the guts to say to someone who didnt get a chance to say goodbye to there parents due to closed borders while Scomo goes pub crawling that it is 99% okay now would you?
 
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