Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #5: We're in this together!

[yebiga]

What has politics got to do with it?

Plenty of left wing new age types are antivaxxers and anti mandate dude. And plenty of skin heads are getting jabs as well.

Clear thinking isn't your strong suit

"skin heads" what is this!

 

[Mofra]

You blokes are so ideologically dedicated to your madness that no amout of logic, reason or science will ever reach you. It's just mind boggling to watch.

It's been incredible to watch the argument change over time.

I can understand the desire to cling to some form of certainty in uncertain times. For many who cling to CTs the thought that the world is not ordered with some sort of intelligent overlords secretly pulling strings, but is in fact chaotic and disordered, is more terrifying than reality. CTs fill that gap.

There's some really interesting material in here if you ever get the chance.

 

[mike ross]

Just makes this idiot look more ridiculous if possible...

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I sincerely wish you good luck.

Haha today woke up feeling fatigued, bit of stiffness and lack of appetite, best way I can describe it is, like having a dozen beers on a night out and have limited sleep. Hopefully it subsides soon.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

BTW do they still have the section on the Covidlive app that details how many of the hospitalized people are unvaccinated ?

 

[yebiga]

It's been incredible to watch the argument change over time.

I can understand the desire to cling to some form of certainty in uncertain times. For many who cling to CTs the thought that the world is not ordered with some sort of intelligent overlords secretly pulling strings, but is in fact chaotic and disordered, is more terrifying than reality. CTs fill that gap.

There's some really interesting material in here if you ever get the chance.

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WE HAVE COVID IN A TRAP

 

[Steele13]

It's been incredible to watch the argument change over time.

I can understand the desire to cling to some form of certainty in uncertain times. For many who cling to CTs the thought that the world is not ordered with some sort of intelligent overlords secretly pulling strings, but is in fact chaotic and disordered, is more terrifying than reality. CTs fill that gap.

There's some really interesting material in here if you ever get the chance.

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Most people in here are fair minded and sensible really. I know you think we're all the lizard people/5G/microchip set, but the only people who bring that up are blow ins like you. I'd broadly say most people here are against vaccine mandates, strict lockdowns, dangerous media hyperbole and government overreach. They all seem sensible positions to me. The other common theme is the "plandemic" theory. Can you prove that it is not a grand plan by global elites to usher in the new world order?
Stupid is rife on both sides by the way. Example from a while back, supposedly intelligent, pro-vaccine colleague shared a facebook post stating that in Australia you have a 1 in 30 chance of dying from Covid, so get vaccinated. People who buy the narrative hook, line and sinker are probably more stupid than anything i've seen in here.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

How's ol' mate Bob Carr going???

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

13 vaccinated people had a dinner party in Melbourne, 11 of them got Covid so far. Other 2 are still not in the clear

15% chance of stopping trans in that category at best but in reality that is a higher transmission rate then amongst a group of unvaccinated people really so perhaps we need to begin doing comparisons as a net negative and saying that the more you vaccinate the more likely you are to catch it? Singapore seems to suggest so

 

[yebiga]

Vaxxed vs. Unvaxxed: CDC Hits New Lows with Two Manipulated Studies
Recent data from the U.K. Office of National Statistics reveals people who have been double jabbed against COVID-19 are dying from all causes at a rate six times higher than the unvaccinated
By Dr. Joseph Mercola
Global Research, November 10, 2021
Mercola


Between 2011 and 2020, the number of VAERS reports ranged between 25,408 and 49,412 for all vaccines. In 2021, with the rollout of the COVID shots, the number of VAERS reports shot up to 521,667, as of September 3, 2021, for the COVID shots alone. (Fast-forward to October 22, 2021, and the report tally for COVID-related adverse events has ballooned to 837,593.20)

• Between 2011 and 2020, the total number of deaths reported to VAERS ranged between 120 and 183. In 2021, as of September 3, the reported death toll had shot up to 7,662. As of October 22, 2021, the death toll was 17,619.21
• Cardiovascular, neurological and immunological adverse events are all being reported at rates never even remotely seen before.
• The estimated under-reporting factor (URF) is 31. Using this URF, the death toll from COVID shots is calculated to be 205,809 as of August 27, 2021; Bell’s palsy 81,747; herpes zoster infection 149,017; paresthesia 305,660; breakthrough COVID 365,955; myalgia 528,457; life threatening events 230,113; permanent disabilities 212,691; birth defects 7,998.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It's been incredible to watch the argument change over time.

I can understand the desire to cling to some form of certainty in uncertain times. For many who cling to CTs the thought that the world is not ordered with some sort of intelligent overlords secretly pulling strings, but is in fact chaotic and disordered, is more terrifying than reality. CTs fill that gap.

There's some really interesting material in here if you ever get the chance.

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When you test intelligence in animals they test things like memory, self control and self awareness

The side that went from "2 weeks to flatten the curve" to "Lets permanently remove people from society to protect ourselves" are suffering memory loss
The side that bases its entire life on the decisions of a Premier probably isnt exercising self control
The side that belives the company who is a world record breaker in criminal punishment is worthy of complete trust without question probably lacks awareness too

The psychology of stupdity really exists with those who do not learn from history (ie. Pfizers criminal history), those who do not make there own decisions (ie. What should I wear Lord Dan?) and those who cannot retain information (ie. 2 weeks to flatten the curve, I dont remember that). Im glad I am not on that side of the fence

 

[Mofra]

Can you prove that it is not a grand plan by global elites to usher in the new world order?

Yeah, I don't think there's much rationality to statements like this.
TBH after meeting politicians I think you're giving their capabilities far too much credit. They are at least as flawed as everyone else

 

[Steele13]

Yeah, I don't think there's much rationality to statements like this.
TBH after meeting politicians I think you're giving their capabilities far too much credit. They are at least as flawed as everyone else

Oh I completely agree. Don't worry, I don't give their capabilities any credit. Any potential truth with that theory lies with those above our leaders. I am not saying I believe it, i'm saying if it was true, neither me, you, or anyone in here would know with absolute certainty whether it was true or not. This being a conspiracy board means speculating one way or another.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yeah, I don't think there's much rationality to statements like this.
TBH after meeting politicians I think you're giving their capabilities far too much credit. They are at least as flawed as everyone else

You are dancing around the results and trying to wash them away with really nothingness. You are arguing the who as opposed to what matters. The results

Do you think the pandemic has been used to increase the wealth of the elite and create a bigger divide between the haves and have nots?

 

[Mofra]

Oh I completely agree. Don't worry, I don't give their capabilities any credit. Any potential truth with that theory lies with those above our leaders. I am not saying I believe it, i'm saying if it was true, neither me, you, or anyone in here would know with absolute certainty whether it was true or not. This being a conspiracy board means speculating one way or another.

Absolutely.
'True wisdom is to know the extent of one's ignorance' - Confucius.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Absolutely.
'True wisdom is to know the extent of one's ignorance' - Confucius.

Ignoring the results is the height of ignorance really

Those who are easily deceived are those without wisdom

 

[Mofra]

Do you think the pandemic has been used to increase the wealth of the elite and create a bigger divide between the haves and have nots?

I think a growing wealth divide is a concerning trend that pre-dates the pandemic.
I would suggest when Friendmanism became the virtually unquestionable economic orthodoxy post-70s stagflation era it set us on a very sad path. The US is seeing the devastating results now of the hyper-capitalist model.

Something like 1 in 7 US children rely on food stamps to survive. Many sectors pay workers so poorly they are considered as earning below a living wage. It's horrible.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I think a growing wealth divide is a concerning trend that pre-dates the pandemic.
I would suggest when Friendmanism became the virtually unquestionable economic orthodoxy post-70s stagflation era it set us on a very sad path. The US is seeing the devastating results now of the hyper-capitalist model.

Something like 1 in 7 US children rely on food stamps to survive. Many sectors pay workers so poorly they are considered as earning below a living wage. It's horrible.

Ignoring the results. The action existing isnt the result. The size and percentages is the result

The size of the divide matters. The divide has increased at a insane rate during the pandemic, unlike anything ever seen in our history. Is this not a intended result and a plan? Did you see any decision making during the pandemic that may heighten this wealth divide? Do you think that result was planned or a fluke?

 

[Clawed]

When you test intelligence in animals they test things like memory, self control and self awareness

The side that went from "2 weeks to flatten the curve" to "Lets permanently remove people from society to protect ourselves" are suffering memory loss
The side that bases its entire life on the decisions of a Premier probably isnt exercising self control
The side that belives the company who is a world record breaker in criminal punishment is worthy of complete trust without question probably lacks awareness too

The psychology of stupdity really exists with those who do not learn from history (ie. Pfizers criminal history), those who do not make there own decisions (ie. What should I wear Lord Dan?) and those who cannot retain information (ie. 2 weeks to flatten the curve, I dont remember that). Im glad I am not on that side of the fence

Your side of the fence angles inwards at the top to keep you getting out.

The moment the other mob dont take thier third shot, they're thrown over your side

They have a comprimised immune system, more likely to catch covid and other flu, and no longer welcome in hospitals. We have to emotionally support them.
Look up ADE. Antibody dependant enhancement. They might even have autoimmune defiency syndrome (AIDS) which is being recorded in isreal England america etc

The tv adds, protect your loved ones get the shot
Thats changed, Queensland cho has said everyone is going to catch it.

 

[Mofra]

Ignoring the results. The action existing isnt the result. The size and percentages is the result

The size of the divide matters. The divide has increased at a insane rate during the pandemic, unlike anything ever seen in our history. Is this not a intended result and a plan? Did you see any decision making during the pandemic that may heighten this wealth divide? Do you think that result was planned or a fluke?

Yes it has. This is largely a result of the existing capitalist framework that was in place prior to the pandemic.

Then there are deicisons that have been poor IMO:

A massive tax cut for billionaires in the US just before the pandemic hit was a shocking decision.
Jobkeeper payments to large companies (e.g. Harvey Norman) in Australia was a terrible decision.
Etc.

Drawing from these decisions that the virus is therefore somehow 'just the flu' and the vaccines don't work or are of only limited utility is a huge leap to make. As is the position that 100s of thousands of healthcare workers, epidemiologists and medical researchers are 'all in on it'.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Most people in here are fair minded and sensible really. I know you think we're all the lizard people/5G/microchip set, but the only people who bring that up are blow ins like you. I'd broadly say most people here are against vaccine mandates, strict lockdowns, dangerous media hyperbole and government overreach. They all seem sensible positions to me. The other common theme is the "plandemic" theory. Can you prove that it is not a grand plan by global elites to usher in the new world order?
Stupid is rife on both sides by the way. Example from a while back, supposedly intelligent, pro-vaccine colleague shared a facebook post stating that in Australia you have a 1 in 30 chance of dying from Covid, so get vaccinated. People who buy the narrative hook, line and sinker are probably more stupid than anything i've seen in here.

I love how people can simultaneously acknowledge that corrupt police officers exist who plant evidence. Or that politicians are self interested in passing salary increases during debt crises etc. Or that Donald Trump is allegedly a peadophile engaged with Epstein. Or that Pfizer spreads misinformation about its medicine upside in in interest to sell more product in in hyper capitalised US medical system.

But now.. suddenly.. in a never before seen global event. The police and politicians and the global elite and big pharma are all to be fully trusted?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Oh I completely agree. Don't worry, I don't give their capabilities any credit. Any potential truth with that theory lies with those above our leaders. I am not saying I believe it, i'm saying if it was true, neither me, you, or anyone in here would know with absolute certainty whether it was true or not. This being a conspiracy board means speculating one way or another.

The why or how is a distraction too. I dont care why or how Nick Scali got millions of dollars in government assistance despite not needing or qualifying for it. I just want that money back in the coffers so we can spend it on something that helps the public.

Governments knowledge of the incident is pointless here. If they want the money back, they can go get it. Use your power to get it back for example. Choosing not to get it back makes you complicit and accepting when its all said and done

Even if it isnt a planned result, accepting it makes you involved in it whether you want to bury your head in the sand or not

 

[Clawed]

The why or how is a distraction too. I dont care why or how Nick Scali got millions of dollars in government assistance despite not needing or qualifying for it. I just want that money back in the coffers so we can spend it on something that helps the public.

Governments knowledge of the incident is pointless here. If they want the money back, they can go get it. Use your power to get it back for example. Choosing not to get it back makes you complicit and accepting when its all said and done

Even if it isnt a planned result, accepting it makes you involved in it whether you want to bury your head in the sand or not

How many billions did we spend on bombs in syria? Assad was bad apparently

Assad was quoted the other day saying **** dan Andrews

Syria is freer than Australia.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yes it has. This is largely a result of the existing capitalist framework that was in place prior to the pandemic.

Then there are deicisons that have been poor IMO:

A massive tax cut for billionaires in the US just before the pandemic hit was a shocking decision.
Jobkeeper payments to large companies (e.g. Harvey Norman) in Australia was a terrible decision.
Etc.

Drawing from these decisions that the virus is therefore somehow 'just the flu' and the vaccines don't work or are of only limited utility is a huge leap to make. As is the position that 100s of thousands of healthcare workers, epidemiologists and medical researchers are 'all in on it'.

This is all that was done?
Are you sure?

In W.A we literally have the premier of our state appearing in advertisements for Bunnings promoting a pandemic solution and you want to say that the capitalist framework exists in this narrow vacuum of large scale decisions not including the pandemic?

This does not equal up with reality im afraid. Dans lockdown laws clearly benefited big business over small. I mean can you explain how it didnt? New Zealand was even worse also.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Yes it has. This is largely a result of the existing capitalist framework that was in place prior to the pandemic.

Then there are deicisons that have been poor IMO:

A massive tax cut for billionaires in the US just before the pandemic hit was a shocking decision.
Jobkeeper payments to large companies (e.g. Harvey Norman) in Australia was a terrible decision.
Etc.

Drawing from these decisions that the virus is therefore somehow 'just the flu' and the vaccines don't work or are of only limited utility is a huge leap to make. As is the position that 100s of thousands of healthcare workers, epidemiologists and medical researchers are 'all in on it'.

Health care workers don't have to be "in on it". They are likely genuinely concerned with the viruses dangers. But the fact of the matter is.. we don't let medical systems dictate personal choice or freedoms. If we did.. we wouldn't have smoking or drinking or whatever.

The point is they've been weaponised and emboldened by a coordinated global political approach.

With smoking and drinking etc.. we recognise that these things may cause lives to be lost and we accept that as a function of society. A risk to be accepted.

Given the standards imposed in WA - that not one death from covid is acceptable (as is supported in polling over here thanks to McGowan's propaganda) if we take that standard the medical science would have us locked down and isolated for the flu or the common cold.

The point is.. we don't let medical consensus drive policy in a vacuum. Yet now we do.. or it appears that we do.. but it's actually not a vacuum. The other existing feature is the exploitation of society for the greater expansion of political power.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is a precursor to the climate change schism. 14 days to stop the spread will become 14 days without the internet to stop emissions and before we know it you'll have to pay a carbon tax to the UN to leave your house. And this money wont be used to help the planet. It will be used to over fund inefficient green projects that leave Ecuadorian hospitals without power but give a billionaire another 100m dividends.