Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #5: We're in this together!

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I dispute absolutely nothing in that paper.

Dude, that entire paper is Pro-vaccination. You have read the thing right?

''We, Leaders of G20 and other states, in the presence of the Heads of international and regional organisations meeting at the Global Health Summit in Rome, May 21, 2021, having shared our experience of the ongoing global COVID-19 pandemic, and welcoming relevant work in this regard, including that presented during the pre-Summit, today:​

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Reaffirm that the pandemic... will not be over until all countries are able to bring the disease under control and therefore, large-scale, global, safe, effective and equitable vaccination... remains our top priority, alongside a return to strong, sustainable, balanced and inclusive growth...​

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Strongly underline the urgent need to scale up efforts... to enhance timely, global and equitable access to safe, effective and affordable COVID-19 tools (vaccines, therapeutics, diagnostics, and personal protective equipment, henceforth ‘tools’)...​

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Recognising the role of extensive COVID-19 immunisation as a global public good, we reaffirm our support for all collaborative efforts in this respect...''​

Rome Declaration (europa.eu)

Why on earth are YOU posting that declaration?

It literally advocates for global vaccination efforts as its 'top priority', and urges those efforts to be 'scaled up', and notes vaccination is a 'public good'.

Have you even read the document you just linked to me?

It literally does not. You just cherry picked about 1 statement out of the entire concept when it is arguing what most of us are arguing here

Vaccinate the vulnerable, treat the rest and use medical tools to fix the situation..

This isnt Dan Andrews or Mao McGowans answer. They have 1 answer and 1 answer only. Vax and pray

Ive said from day one that if I was a majorly obese id be first in line for the vaccine for example but Im not, so I dont need it, so why am I taking it? And dont give us the "it stops transmission" stuff. You are pointing out it doesnt unless we get 5000 needles going into us. The risk and reward scenario is nonesense really.

 

[simba_]

'The election was stolen'
'Pete Evans energy machine works'
'Bill Gates is trying to microchip us'
'A cabal of satanic paedos is operating out of pizza shops, and the Democrats are in on it'

this is cringe shit that the lowest common denominator of humans squabble about though, not a fair representation of "the other side" of the "argument", you are parroting the dumbest stuff dumb people have said in the last 100 years and pretending it's fair game

 

[Malifice]

It literally does not.

It literally does say that! I literally cited from the paper itself, where it says it!

It's advocating for scaled up vaccination as the most important thing we can do and the top priority going forwards. It's ALSO saying we need a holistic approach hand in hand with this vaccination program (treating the disease as well as prevention, improved access to heath care for the vulnerable etc). The two things are not mutually exclusive.

It doesnt argue against vaccination, it's literally saying vaccination is the most important weapon we have against the disease.

Read it again bro. Or would you like me to literally show you (again) where the authors clearly and unequivocally state the fundamental and primary importance of vaccination in fighting the disease?

 

[Malifice]

this is cringe sh*t that the lowest common denominator of humans squabble about though, not a fair representation of "the other side" of the "argument", you are parroting the dumbest stuff dumb people have said in the last 100 years and pretending it's fair game

Sadly a fair few posters in here actually believe that shit, or are at least in the same ballpark.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It literally does say that! I literally cited from the paper itself, where it says it!

It's advocating for scaled up vaccination as the most important thing we can do and the top priority going forwards. It's ALSO saying we need a holistic approach hand in hand with this vaccination program (treating the disease as well as prevention, improved access to heath care for the vulnerable etc). The two things are not mutually exclusive.

It doesnt argue against vaccination, it's literally saying vaccination is the most important weapon we have against the disease.

Read it again bro. Or would you like me to literally show you (again) where the authors clearly and unequivocally state the fundamental and primary importance of vaccination in fighting the disease?

You flat out ignored the , parts and just highlighted what you wanted to read

As close to deluded confirmation bias as you can get. You didnt read it. You just did a Ctrl + F to find your validation...

 

[twotooto]

And it's been pointed out to you many times, that I havent argued against (or for) either of those two things.

So your criticism is unfounded.

Absolute horseshit. I've had a few posters extend the limp lettuce leaf mumbled response when pressed "uh, yeah, I'm sorta, kinda against mandatory" but then it's straight back to debunking 'xyz' on the furtherest, most outer edge of the bell curve as if that somehow represents the whole.

And you(of all people) bloody well should be against mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports for COVID. The fact that you continually go down this anti-vax rabbit hole in a heroic quest to save lives("if I can save even one life" lol) and post zero about the mandatory is quite telling.

Same goes for all of the other stick-in-the-wheel posters who periodically frequent this thread - none of 'em have got much to say about how ridiculously OTT all of this mandatory shit is. The fact that so many of you seem to be ok with this is...disturbing.

This is why you get criticism IMO(at least from me, anyway).

 

[GuzzLG]

• I'm not persuaded Epstein did kill himself (I'm very open to the theory that it was an inside job), and it's beyond any doubt at all that he has a trove of content on powerful people (at least two presidents in Trump, Clinton, members of the British Royal family and others).
• I wouldnt go so far as to say Hollywood has a culture of abuse, but there are issues that #metoo have exposed with a number of powerful actors and producers (Cosby, Spacey, Weinstein etc)
• US motivation for involvement in the ME is control of Oil supplies into Europe, and to deny the Russians a hegemony in the region, by being the main supplier of that Oil
• Intelligence agencies do spy on citizens. They always have. This is hardly a new thing, or a conspiracy.
• Of course its in the Medias interest to push sensationalist pieces.
• US intelligence did not know about 9/11 in advance

None of these are 'conspiracies' though, outside of your 9/11 bullshit.

The major conspiracy here is Epstein, in that it's no coincidence that the Russians have been heavily pushing Qanon (blaming the Democrats for some crazy satanic paedo ring) to cover up for the fact that Trump (who the Russians have supported big time via social media trolls) was up to his neck in Epsteins sex island underage paedo bullshit himself.

Why are the Russians diverting attention away from Trump here? Social Media Qanon *******s think Trump is fighting to overthrow a 'satanic paedo' paedo ring, when the reality is he was up to his neck in it himself (with Epstein).

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Spoke to someone in Singapore on a Zoom call today and asked him about life in Singapore. This guy works in the health industry

Something that wasnt reported is that what happened in Singapore is government through employers did a mass distribution of home testing kits in the week they opened up. What then happened is a absolute shit ton of people returned positive tests, most being asymptomatic or absolutely no symptoms at all.. These people then on mass flooded to hospitals to report they had Covid despite not being sick or actually having anything wrong. Just rocked up in a car or taxi said "Hey I have Covid, can I see a doctor and get a bed". They got inundated at the hospital with perfectly healthy people wanting medical treatment and still are

The problem isnt cases, it isnt the vaccine, it isnt even the testing kits really. Its the fact that people who dont need treatment are requesting it

 

[Malifice]

Absolute horseshit.

Find and post a single time I've been critical of people questioning mandates and passports.

When you can't, an apology would be nice.

 

[Malifice]

You flat out ignored the , parts and just highlighted what you wanted to read

As close to deluded confirmation bias as you can get. You didnt read it. You just did a Ctrl + F to find your validation...

I did read it and it clearly supports mass vaccination. It literally clearly says so in express language!

Where do you think it opposes mass vaccination ? Post the express words for me can you?

Oh wait. You can't.

 

[twotooto]

Find and post a single time I've been critical of people questioning mandates and passports.

When you can't, an apology would be nice.

See how I bolded this bit of your post(below and again for context) for emphasis ~

And it's been pointed out to you many times, that I havent argued against (or for) either of those two things.

So your criticism is unfounded.

Here is my response(again with the bolded bit for context) ~

Absolute horseshit. I've had a few posters extend the limp lettuce leaf mumbled response when pressed "uh, yeah, I'm sorta, kinda against mandatory" but then it's straight back to debunking 'xyz' on the furtherest, most outer edge of the bell curve as if that somehow represents the whole.

And you(of all people) bloody well should be against mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports for COVID. The fact that you continually go down this anti-vax rabbit hole in a heroic quest to save lives("if I can save even one life" lol) and post zero about the mandatory is quite telling.

Same goes for all of the other stick-in-the-wheel posters who periodically frequent this thread - none of 'em have got much to say about how ridiculously OTT all of this mandatory sh*t is. The fact that so many of you seem to be ok with this is...disturbing.

This is why you get criticism IMO(at least from me, anyway).

It really hasn't been "pointed out to me many times", if at all(hence why I said "absolute horseshit"). Feel free to post the evidence of where it has been pointed out.

I explained the rest of that position with a few extra paragraphs. If you had have read all of the post, in full context, it may have answered some of your queries, but you did that thing you do where you edit the post so that you respond only to what you deem as the main gist. Bad habit that.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Find and post a single time I've been critical of people questioning mandates and passports.

When you can't, an apology would be nice.

You literally bitched and moaned that people are not getting it as your biggest gripe because you want to be able to travel overseas and those not getting it are the people stopping you..... Your entire argument is supporting the mandate and well victim blaming rather then pinning the blame on the politicans making the stupid rules

 

[twotooto]

You literally bitched and moaned that people are not getting it as your biggest gripe because you want to be able to travel overseas and those not getting it are the people stopping you..... Your entire argument is supporting the mandate and well victim blaming rather then pinning the blame on the politicans making the stupid rules

Spot on

 

[Marcel Proust]

Every company is about the money. Pfizer doesnt exist as a charity mate.

It's not exactly in the companies interests to push an ineffective vaccine though (they have competition here from AZ and plenty of other companies) and all independent peer reviewed papers show clearly that the vaccine they've manufactured is safe and efficacious.

And its not like the other vaccine companies are in any rush to help Pfizer out either. I mean - why would they? If AZ found an issue with a competitors product (say Pfizer), you can bet your bottom dollar they'd be announcing that to the world.

How many companies are there?

Seeing as the Russian. Chinese etc. Are banned as far as I know

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Russia are the biggest non-factor in everything. Democrats Scape goats hoping to piggy back on the Cold War propaganda that Boomers grew up with.

 

[BlueE]

You forget your own posts. The German Nationalist was the Facebook post from some other fake news blogger you linked last week.
I never said Fleming was a German Nationalist - but offering truth has never been your strong suit.

Lets not pretend you haven’t been caught on several occasions misquoting, selectively using data or ignoring conclusions or observations of the authors in papers that don’t suit your narrative.
The Japanese study is a case in point.

What facebook post?

What German Nationalist are you talking about?

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Didn't believe these injections were gene therapy products.

Thought CRISPR was the only way genes could be edited and therefore "proved" it couldn't happen.

Didn't know that the COVID injections produced an unknown amount of spike proteins that circulating for weeks and concentrating in almost all organs of the body.

Had no idea about different concentration in the different Pfizer and Moderna doses and thinks they're the same.

Insisted vehemently that Pfizer BNT162b2 completed animal and a small human safety trial, when it didn't.

FOI request to Japan to release Pfizer compliance documents, is a case in point.

You reply on an uneducated journalist that didn't know that the Pfizer BNT162b2 was never used for any of the compliance trials. Thinks the mRNA without LNP that was used in one of the biological experiments was the vaccine but wasn't. Then try to say the results of that show no concentration in mice ovaries from this means something when it doesn't.

Then get triggered when it's pointed out that a vaccine substitute of luciferase enveloped in the same LNP as the vaccine was injected in rodents that circulated and had significant concentrations in the ovaries and most body organs as measured through photokinesis!

Still can't answer the most basic questions put to you.

 

[BlueE]

Russia are the biggest non-factor in everything. Democrats Scape goats hoping to piggy back on the Cold War propaganda that Boomers grew up with.

Believing in that is an actual conspiracy theory!

 

[Lebbo73]

How old are you? Serious question. You've avoided answering before. A broad range is fair enough.

Don’t start this bs. You can’t censor the world and then say where’s all your evidence. If you want to get around with your fingers in your ears and with a blindfold on that’s your choice.
There’s tens of thousands of doctors and scientists with proof that the experimental drugs aren’t vaccines. Even if they were, you have nothing to worry about anyone who chooses not to take these dangerous experimental drugs.
Why are you on this conspiracy thread for getting away with your trolling, shilling and belittling? We welcome your discussion but not your condescending and I’m so right attitude.

 

[Malifice]

Don’t start this bs.

I only ask because you're likely over 50 and in the higher risk category, likely also with comorbidities.

 

[Lebbo73]

Why are we not seeing that trend in Australia?

Suppression of information from the media and from Vic Health as shown last week when they refused to report the vaccinated figures in hospital and/or ICU.

 

[Malifice]

You literally bitched and moaned that people are not getting it as your biggest gripe because you want to be able to travel overseas and those not getting it are the people stopping you.

Thats not the same thing as supporting mandates. I actively encourage you to get vaccinated (for your own health and so we can open up again) but that's not showing support for a mandate is it?

They're different things.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Click on latest post, and it sends you back 6 pages.

Phwoar!

 

[BlueE]

It literally does say that! I literally cited from the paper itself, where it says it!

It's advocating for scaled up vaccination as the most important thing we can do and the top priority going forwards. It's ALSO saying we need a holistic approach hand in hand with this vaccination program (treating the disease as well as prevention, improved access to heath care for the vulnerable etc). The two things are not mutually exclusive.

It doesnt argue against vaccination, it's literally saying vaccination is the most important weapon we have against the disease.

Read it again bro. Or would you like me to literally show you (again) where the authors clearly and unequivocally state the fundamental and primary importance of vaccination in fighting the disease?

I think you're quoting a different "Rome Declaration" to what posted originally

Yours is the global elite UN "Rome Declaration", while I was proving a declaration signed by over 10,000 doctors and physicians strangely also called a "Rome Declaration" after where they first had the conference and formed the objectives.

Over 10,000 Physicians and Scientists Sign “Rome Declaration” in Protest, Launch New Platform - Global Covid Summit

Physicians and Scientists from all over the world sound the alarm and launch a new platform

globalcovidsummit.org

Over 10,000 physicians and medical scientists worldwide have signed the “Rome Declaration” to alert citizens about the deadly consequences of Covid-19 policy makers’ and medical authorities’ unprecedented behavior; behavior such as denying patient access to lifesaving early treatments, disrupting the sacred, physician-patient relationship and suppressing open scientific discussion for profits and power.

The Declaration was created by physicians and scientists during the Rome Covid Summit, and immediately catalyzed support from doctors around the world. These professionals, many of whom are on the front lines of pandemic treatment, have experienced career threats, character assassination, censorship of scientific papers and research, social media accounts blocked, online search results manipulated, clinical trials and patient observations banned, and their professional history and accomplishments minimized in both academic and mainstream media.

Though the declaration’s signatories are diverse in their specialties, treatment philosophies and medical opinions, they have risen up to take a collective stand against authoritarian measures by corporations, medical associations, and governments and their respective agencies. The objective of the declaration is to reclaim their leadership role in conquering this pandemic.

https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/

 

[FlowersByIrene]

• I'm not persuaded Epstein did kill himself (I'm very open to the theory that it was an inside job), and it's beyond any doubt at all that he has a trove of content on powerful people (at least two presidents in Trump, Clinton, members of the British Royal family and others).
• I wouldnt go so far as to say Hollywood has a culture of abuse, but there are issues that #metoo have exposed with a number of powerful actors and producers (Cosby, Spacey, Weinstein etc)
• US motivation for involvement in the ME is control of Oil supplies into Europe, and to deny the Russians a hegemony in the region, by being the main supplier of that Oil
• Intelligence agencies do spy on citizens. They always have. This is hardly a new thing, or a conspiracy.
• Of course its in the Medias interest to push sensationalist pieces.
• US intelligence did not know about 9/11 in advance

None of these are 'conspiracies' though, outside of your 9/11 bullshit.

The major conspiracy here is Epstein, in that it's no coincidence that the Russians have been heavily pushing Qanon (blaming the Democrats for some crazy satanic paedo ring) to cover up for the fact that Trump (who the Russians have supported big time via social media trolls) was up to his neck in Epsteins sex island underage paedo bullshit himself.

Why are the Russians diverting attention away from Trump here? Social Media Qanon *******s think Trump is fighting to overthrow a 'satanic paedo' paedo ring, when the reality is he was up to his neck in it himself (with Epstein).

See the bolded above, you should really consider how you can think the two bolded sections to both be simultaneously true while not identifying you're own cognitive dissonance. There is no evidence Trump ever attended Epstein island and there is only a handful of evidences of them ever even meeting, with all of those meetings being at large public New York events that every other wealthy New Yorker was at. This is in contrast to Bill Clinton's multiple recorded flight log attendances to the Island, not to mention Bill Gates also. And yet you think Trump is the issue here. Maybe that's because you've been conditioned for the past 6 years by sensationalist media rhetoric that he is the devil incarnate. Please take my advice, stop being suckered into this obvious MSM misinformation and start thinking a little bit more critically.

 

[Malifice]

It really hasn't been "pointed out to me many times", if at all(hence why I said "absolute horseshit"). Feel free to post the evidence of where it has been pointed out.

Ok fine:

Here you said:

JFC. This is just circling the drain. Heading to the fridge for some solace

To which I replied:

I'm not here to say 'people who are wary of State mandated vaccines' are crazy. I think that's a legitimate concern. I think any (and every) law should be assessed based on reasonableness, proportionality and harm it seeks to address.

No law is exempt this scrutiny, nor should it be. That's a separate conversation to what I am arguing.

I literally expressly told you right there.

And again here:

I'm not championing vaccine mandates. For the billionth time.

I am saying the young healthy person that refuses to get vaccinated is either selfish, stupid, crazy, misinformed, or some combination thereof.

And here AGAIN, this time also again talking directly to you:

Like I said, its the anti-vaxxers who draw my ire, all of whom are either stupid, selfish, crazy, misinformed or some combination thereof.

People who get vaccinated, but wish to discuss or analyze mandatory vaccination laws are OK. That's fair game.

That's three times (not including this time, which makes it four times), in express language, with two of those posts directly linking you in via a quote, and in response to your prior criticisms, where I have expressly and clearly stated that a discussion of vaccine mandates is fair game.

In other words, you're full of shit, jumping at shadows, and being critical of me making argument that I am not even making.

I look forward to your apology.