Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #5: We're in this together!

About Covid vaccines: Opinion on mandates? Your personal situation?

  • I support vaccine mandates for all jobs

    Votes: 24 26.1%
  • I support vaccine mandates for health & aged care jobs

    Votes: 9 9.8%
  • I don't care either way, it's up to each company

    Votes: 4 4.3%
  • Vaccine mandates are immoral and/or unjustifiable

    Votes: 46 50.0%
  • My employer has mandated the vaccine - I got it to keep my job

    Votes: 13 14.1%
  • My employer has mandated the vaccine - I decided to quit my job

    Votes: 8 8.7%
  • My employer has left the decision to get the vaccine optional

    Votes: 8 8.7%
  • I'm not sure where my employer stands on this issue

    Votes: 14 15.2%

  • Total voters
    92

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It's not my role to debunk every ridiculous, nonsensical brain-fart on the internet.

If you think this is all "planned" you are so far down the CS rabbit-hole that it would be impossible to reason with you. In my experience, political leaders are no where near as capable as you're giving them credit to be.

zill This sort of posting is the kind of CS I consider far out there, not your statement about a response to the pandemic which (while I disagree with it) to me represents 'opinion' and not 'conspiracy theory'.

The event isnt the plan. The consequences and decisons are. 2008 should have taught you that

This is called taking advantage of circumstances. Whatever imaginary scenario you drawn up in your head about what I mean isnt really born in reality. Its just strawman stuff from you because you cant critically think enough to answer any of my questions when asked
 
The event isnt the plan. The consequences and decisons are. 2008 should have taught you that
The GFC led to a massive increase in financial regulation, many measures of which were actually reversed during Trump's tenure. By and large the global requirements for M1, M2 & M3 capital are still greater than pre-GFC requirements though.
At this point it's obvious you don't really know what you're talking about.
 
I didn't see the question, but I'm not a medical expert.
It seems a pretty pointless and sad attempt at a 'gotcha' given the vaccine still isn't approved and GoEagles doesn't believe in medical science anyway - not to mention that if it reduces the risk of passing the virus on to immuno-compromised people, it has contributed to saving lives in a way that is unlikely to be able to be accurately measured.

I'll say the virus because so many on this thread think it's not real/overstated/just a flu/just the flu/something something MSM and I'd like to see the responses.
Is it okay to sacrifice one child to save multiple non-children?

Why should anything other than the risk-benefit calculation to the child alone be taken into account?

Do you believe in child sacrifice?
 

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The GFC led to a massive increase in financial regulation, many measures of which were actually reversed during Trump's tenure. By and large the global requirements for M1, M2 & M3 capital are still greater than pre-GFC requirements though.
At this point it's obvious you don't really know what you're talking about.

See, you just guessed what I meant and you were wrong

Follow the money trail is what im talking about. We are talking about wealth redistrbution so stay on topic. 2008 taught us that a event can occur and wealth re distributed at alarming levels because of that event. Not sure why you think otherwise

If you want to talk conspiracy theories. Look at USs debt level and explain to me how that isnt a decision purposefully made to help big business and increase there wealth?

Do you think its a accident?

Do you not think the pandemic was used to increase govt debt to improve the net worth of big business? Yes or no?
 
I do change my mind, regularly. I have never said there aren't a small number of adverse effects to vaccines. That's doesn't mean someone is labelled a conspiracy theorist. Why are you making things up?

Taking a small grain of truth (small number of adverse effects) and extrapolating that into some weird theory (Big Pharma have planned everything! Fauchi is a lizard!) is the type of CS BS that should be called out.
It is all a matter of degrees - the degree of adverse effects, the degree of vaccine efficacy, the degree of covid infectiousness, the degree of covid mortality.
Chief Health Officers and the expert advice they rely on acknowledged that COVID is not a threat to the over-whelmiing number of people, that the vaccines are experimental and that their efficacy is not perfect and that it wanes.

Its a degree of a degree of a degree that has justified these draconian lockdowns. After 21 months we have progressed nowhere. All legislation relating to privacy, medical treatments, human rights charters have been wilfully breached or suspended. The principle of informed consent which is encoded in statutes throughout Australia and Internationally has been breached with impunity. Coercion is not consent. Instead, what he have witnessed is state sanctioned blackmail and extortion with loss of jobs, entry to venues and services.

Whether the vaccines are effective or not is irrelevant - the heavy handed nature of what has occurred and continues to occur is not acceptable and has institutionalised a culture of lying, gaslighting, censorship and divisiveness. In an ever increasing technologically complex world this is a formula for systemic catastrophes.
 
Whatever your thoughts are on vaccines, people would have to be stark raving lunatics to believe the "science/modelling" being passed off by politicians.

WA reopening: McGowan’s Covid modelling under fire | Herald Sun

During the address, the premier said the slow road to reopening was because he wanted to “save lives”. He referenced modelling that showed if that state opened at 80 per cent, rather than 90, there would be 200 more deaths.

There was also mention of the state possibly facing 100,000 cases in a year, which sparked immediate scepticism on social media.

Victoria has had 94k cases the entire pandemic, 10s of thousands of which occurred before the vaccine. There is no way the modelling saying 100k cases in a year at 80 per cent for WA is correct. Not to mention they would be opening from zero cases,” one user wrote.
 
The sh*t spewed in here isnt a real reflection of what most Victorians think either.

Thankfully.
Maybe if more Victorians had half a brain they wouldn’t have been the first Australian State to bend the knee to tyranny. Don’t worry though, you have plenty of friends.
 

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I didn't see the question, but I'm not a medical expert.
It seems a pretty pointless and sad attempt at a 'gotcha' given the vaccine still isn't approved and GoEagles doesn't believe in medical science anyway - not to mention that if it reduces the risk of passing the virus on to immuno-compromised people, it has contributed to saving lives in a way that is unlikely to be able to be accurately measured.

I'll say the virus because so many on this thread think it's not real/overstated/just a flu/just the flu/something something MSM and I'd like to see the responses.
Can you show me the science that says the vaccine reduces transmission?
 
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Can you show me the science that says the vaccine reduces transmission?
Sure. Noting that 'reduces' is not 'eliminates' (that nuance is important)


The SAR in household contacts exposed to the delta variant was 25% (95% CI 18–33) for fully vaccinated individuals compared with 38% (24–53) in unvaccinated individuals. The median time between second vaccine dose and study recruitment in fully vaccinated contacts was longer for infected individuals (median 101 days [IQR 74–120]) than for uninfected individuals (64 days [32–97], p=0·001). SAR among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases was similar to household contacts exposed to unvaccinated index cases (25% [95% CI 15–35] for vaccinated vs 23% [15–31] for unvaccinated). 12 (39%) of 31 infections in fully vaccinated household contacts arose from fully vaccinated epidemiologically linked index cases, further confirmed by genomic and virological analysis in three index case–contact pairs. Although peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type, it increased modestly with age (difference of 0·39 [95% credible interval –0·03 to 0·79] in peak log10 viral load per mL between those aged 10 years and 50 years). Fully vaccinated individuals with delta variant infection had a faster (posterior probability >0·84) mean rate of viral load decline (0·95 log10 copies per mL per day) than did unvaccinated individuals with pre-alpha (0·69), alpha (0·82), or delta (0·79) variant infections. Within individuals, faster viral load growth was correlated with higher peak viral load (correlation 0·42 [95% credible interval 0·13 to 0·65]) and slower decline (–0·44 [–0·67 to –0·18]).



How is COVID-19 immunity within families associated with the risk for infection in family members without immunity?

Conclusions and Relevance In this cohort study, family members without immunity had a 45% to 97% lower risk of contracting COVID-19 as the number of immune family members increased. Vaccination is a key strategy for decreasing the transmission of the virus within families.
 
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You share the same opinion that the largest companies in the world agree on, which is the same opinion your government has and it is the same opinion that the mainstream media has - this is critical thinking.

Same crew that love Amazon and Facebook
 
And more (in an article easier to read):


People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

“They absolutely do reduce transmission,” says Christopher Byron Brooke at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “Vaccinated people do transmit the virus in some cases, but the data are super crystal-clear that the risk of transmission for a vaccinated individual is much, much lower than for an unvaccinated individual.”

A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated.

This is only slightly lower than with the alpha variant, says Brechje de Gier at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands, who led the study. Her team had previously found that vaccinated people infected with alpha were 73 per cent less likely to infect unvaccinated people.

What is important to realise, de Gier says, is that the full effect of vaccines on reducing transmission is even higher than 63 per cent, because most vaccinated people don’t become infected in the first place.
 
More from Dr. Campbell. It seems random injection is still common practice in most of the world:




I'd like to know whether serious adverse events are much lower in Denmark since they aspirate the needle before injecting.
 
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