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straighttalkin said:
Fake Skepticism (Cynicism)


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Nice link, you're still using someone else's interpretation of a preprint to assert your point of view though.
 
straighttalkin said:
Fake Skepticism (Cynicism)


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I just spent half an hour going through that link and 90% of it went way over my comprehension levels, is there any chance you could give a simple succinct bogan type version so I know what you are trying to get across please? I am interested in this type of stuff, I think it may be related, I have read a fair bit about Edward Bernays re how to manipulate mass public opinion and how we as humans largely operate on herd think, fascinating guy.
 

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straighttalkin said:
Preprint? The article references published science articles.
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Firstly, this is the site you're mostly referencing.

You can't grab 3 preprints, reference 3 unrelated stats from different studies and then come to the conclusion that the globalist elite are out to get us.
 
 
X AE A12 said:
I would honestly rather they cancel the season than risk bringing covid into QLD. Not worth it
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Don't think it's afl players or their families you will need to be worried about. It'd be the 250,000+ people that have applied for entry that don't have regular testing & stringent protocols to follow.
 
BangyBangy said:
Don't think it's afl players or their families you will need to be worried about. It'd be the 250,000+ people that have applied for entry that don't have regular testing & stringent protocols to follow.
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That's the issue isn't it, and part of giving my 2 cents. Why are politicians chest beating about protocols when the borders have so many other vulnerabilities.
 

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Gadzorks said:
How much is a gabba membership and will it get entry into every game or have the seats been resumed for the last few lions games?

Suddenly my forced retirement is looking a lot brighter.
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About 1300 minimum iirc. Section been pretty bare lately
 
royboys4eva said:
While it's good for footy in Qld and especially Lions - this season is fast becoming a total joke. How many players are going to stay the entire season in Queensland.
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AFL needs the TV rights money to survive at this point, they'll take a micky mouse season and the resulting cash flow.
 
mightymouse75 said:
Good opportunity for the lions this year.
Plenty of home games, list is strong..
Grand final at your home ground..
No difference to richmond or collingwood really..
Go brisbane
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For our away games, we have never played particularly well at Metricon.
but being in the Home State is beneficial.
 
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

A peer-reviewed paper published in Nature today using subjects from Singapore provided three key findings:
  • All of the 36 subjects who had recovered from mild or severe COVID-19 had virus-specific T-cells.
  • All of the 23 subjects who had recovered from SARS 17 years ago still produced T cells specific to SARS, and in all cases they were cross-reactive for SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, and capable of expanding and activating in response to protein fragments from SARS-CoV-2.
  • Half of the 37 subjects who were unexposed had existing T cell immunity to COVID-19, that could not be explained by exposure to coronaviruses that cause the common cold and might instead be explained by exposure to other coronaviruses harbored by animals.
The first two findings taken together provide hope that T cell immunity to COVID-19 could be long-lasting. This is particularly hopeful given that some reports have suggested antibodies can wane in many people after a couple of months. Indeed, if recovered SARS patients can maintain cross-reactive immunity to COVID-19 for 17 years, it is quite hopeful that recovered COVID-19 patients could maintain immunity for years.

From the third finding - 26 of these subjects had their blood drawn before July 2019, making them the least likely to have had any exposure to COVID-19, which is not known to have emerged until later in the year. The other 11 tested negative for COVID-19 antibodies and were not known to have been exposed. I feel less confident that they were truly unexposed, and I wish they reported data for these two groups separately. However, the number of people with T cell immunity to COVID-19 in this group was 19, meaning a minimum of 8 people sampled before July 2019 had the immunity. Furthermore, the specific protein fragments the T cells responded to were different in almost all of the immune people in the unexposed group when compared to those who had recovered from SARS or COVID-19. Therefore, it seems likely that almost everyone in the group had their immunity through some other source than COVID-19 exposure.
 
straighttalkin said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

A peer-reviewed paper published in Nature today using subjects from Singapore provided three key findings:
  • All of the 36 subjects who had recovered from mild or severe COVID-19 had virus-specific T-cells.
  • All of the 23 subjects who had recovered from SARS 17 years ago still produced T cells specific to SARS, and in all cases they were cross-reactive for SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, and capable of expanding and activating in response to protein fragments from SARS-CoV-2.
  • Half of the 37 subjects who were unexposed had existing T cell immunity to COVID-19, that could not be explained by exposure to coronaviruses that cause the common cold and might instead be explained by exposure to other coronaviruses harbored by animals.
The first two findings taken together provide hope that T cell immunity to COVID-19 could be long-lasting. This is particularly hopeful given that some reports have suggested antibodies can wane in many people after a couple of months. Indeed, if recovered SARS patients can maintain cross-reactive immunity to COVID-19 for 17 years, it is quite hopeful that recovered COVID-19 patients could maintain immunity for years.

From the third finding - 26 of these subjects had their blood drawn before July 2019, making them the least likely to have had any exposure to COVID-19, which is not known to have emerged until later in the year. The other 11 tested negative for COVID-19 antibodies and were not known to have been exposed. I feel less confident that they were truly unexposed, and I wish they reported data for these two groups separately. However, the number of people with T cell immunity to COVID-19 in this group was 19, meaning a minimum of 8 people sampled before July 2019 had the immunity. Furthermore, the specific protein fragments the T cells responded to were different in almost all of the immune people in the unexposed group when compared to those who had recovered from SARS or COVID-19. Therefore, it seems likely that almost everyone in the group had their immunity through some other source than COVID-19 exposure.
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Would any of these deductions change if it were established, and as is being suggested in some reports, that the COVID-19 virus was already present in Spain, France and Italy pre-Wuhan, possibly before July 2019?
 
WhiteLionFeva said:
Would any of these deductions change if it were established, and as is being suggested in some reports, that the COVID-19 virus was already present in Spain, France and Italy pre-Wuhan, possibly before July 2019?
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IMHO - To get a real picture of community immunity potential what we really need is widespread T-Cell immunity testing correlated with antigen testing (including research like this one to test peoples capacity to respond to CO-VID 19 with or without antigen responses). What we need to let go of is the idea that falling antigen levels means no longer term immunity to CO-VID 19. Antigens are only a part of immune responses. T-Cell immunity is really what matters in the longer term, and to a large extent in the short term.
In response to your question it is important to keep the context that the vast majority of deaths were/are elderly people with co-morbid conditions - who were in the high risk group for dying of their existing conditions or any infection in the near future. Time will tell whether mortality rates in these groups even out over the next 12 months - in countries that have had the CO-VID 19 run its course - longer for those that keep delaying the seemingly inevitable waves. Other than that its important to recognise the importance of the high symptom free population among those who have tested positive for CO-VID 19, and the likelyhood that many who test negative already have immunity - or at the very least the capacity to mount an effective immune response.
 
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straighttalkin said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

A peer-reviewed paper published in Nature today using subjects from Singapore provided three key findings:
  • All of the 36 subjects who had recovered from mild or severe COVID-19 had virus-specific T-cells.
  • All of the 23 subjects who had recovered from SARS 17 years ago still produced T cells specific to SARS, and in all cases they were cross-reactive for SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, and capable of expanding and activating in response to protein fragments from SARS-CoV-2.
  • Half of the 37 subjects who were unexposed had existing T cell immunity to COVID-19, that could not be explained by exposure to coronaviruses that cause the common cold and might instead be explained by exposure to other coronaviruses harbored by animals.
The first two findings taken together provide hope that T cell immunity to COVID-19 could be long-lasting. This is particularly hopeful given that some reports have suggested antibodies can wane in many people after a couple of months. Indeed, if recovered SARS patients can maintain cross-reactive immunity to COVID-19 for 17 years, it is quite hopeful that recovered COVID-19 patients could maintain immunity for years.

From the third finding - 26 of these subjects had their blood drawn before July 2019, making them the least likely to have had any exposure to COVID-19, which is not known to have emerged until later in the year. The other 11 tested negative for COVID-19 antibodies and were not known to have been exposed. I feel less confident that they were truly unexposed, and I wish they reported data for these two groups separately. However, the number of people with T cell immunity to COVID-19 in this group was 19, meaning a minimum of 8 people sampled before July 2019 had the immunity. Furthermore, the specific protein fragments the T cells responded to were different in almost all of the immune people in the unexposed group when compared to those who had recovered from SARS or COVID-19. Therefore, it seems likely that almost everyone in the group had their immunity through some other source than COVID-19 exposure.
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There have been a number of animal viruses that have caused high death rates, including our own Hendra virus, and others such as the Sindbis virus which is mild in humans.

The fear is always that a nasty one will mutate with a highly contagious human virus to become a deadly pandemic, and these results seem to support that covid has done exactly that.

identifying the human virus components would be the basis of some of the vaccine development programs. Given animal viruses can go between multiple species (avian to pig to human) untangling the mutations is difficult, and they still don't know which animal this came from.
 
luthor said:
Another Australian (State) record for Victoria today

302 new cases .......ugh!

317 actually but 12 "reclassified"

I still don't really get what this "reclassified" thing means
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Ignore reclassified if it's confusing.

There are 317 new cases.

Overall cases has increased by 302 because of the reclassifications (false positives mainly, sometimes duplicates intra- or inter-state), but the new case count is more important.
 
IMO we should embrace the new normal and lockdown permanently, it would save countless lives, not only from Covid but from Influenza and other communicable diseases. The permanent stay at home order would also lower crime levels resulting in savings in court and incarceration costs allowing for the permanent extension of increased Job "seeker" payments. People previously employed in the tourism, restaurant and other severely affected sectors could be retrained as lockdown enforcement officers and other occupations that would emerge through a permanent lockdown society eg. Protective clothing/masks/sanitiser etc manufacture, also invest more in augmented reality technologies and the development of sex robots.

The only thing I would miss would be going to the footy and visiting my children, mother, brother and grandchildren regularly but I'm sure we could tee up some clandestine get together's.
 

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