Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

[Chief]

Australian Coronavirus Stats

Latest COVID-19 stats from Australia.

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[kingswood71]

Thanks, so for every positive test we require two additional tests. I hope we have shit load on the way!

Part of the overall problem is the lack of information. I mentioned it over a week ago but I received a text about a storm last year and receive them every election. Yet no text instructing me to go to a website where all the information is available and up to date? We genuinely have to search it all for ourselves and most people will just be going off News.com.au and their want for as many deaths/panic as possible. Information is key and we suck at it.

We have been advised to not test asymptomatic patients and not test for clearance (WA)

 

[Banyo Bloods]

So the AFL mouth piece fox commentators are saying that they are loving the shortened quarters and that 90% of people like the shortened game. So I’m very firmly part of the 10% that loves the length of an AFL game ie 20 plus time on.

is that right though that most like the shorter quarters?

 

[D-N-R]

How is going too early more disastrous?

We need some community spread to provide some immunity. If you go too early, then not enough people will have the immunity when you release the measures. But the virus is still here. So then you have more people get infected, and then have to quarantine people again.

People will put up with it once but will be less keen a second time. Then the spread will continue. You need people's compliance for this to work.

In China they know the government will do all sorts of things if you don't comply. In Japan and Singapore, the citizens are very diligent in this stuff. Australians won't put up with that stuff for too long.

 

[Forward Press]

As grim as it sounds, having a controlled spread is beneficial in the long run. The more people get infected, the more build up an immunity when the virus runs its course, and the stronger the effect of 'herd immunity' to shield the vulnerable from the virus. If you can somehow balance those requiring hospitalisation with the capacity of the health system to cope, then that's the optimum scenario.

It's up to our governments to determine how to manage it - not an easy task so I'm not going to pretend to be an expert and criticise them for making wrong calls as long as they continue to follow the real experts (which they seem to be doing).

 

[Pessimistic]

The absolute venom from the rest of the world on Twitter regarding photo's of Bondi beach yesterday were incredible.

We are way closer to America (who in my opinion will overtake Italy in as little as a few weeks) than Singapore or Hong Kong.

a good portion of Bondi beach goers come from the rest of the world. Places where backpackers congregate should have huge posters and some compulsory lectures. Also more information in other common languages should happen

 

[Pessimistic]

As grim as it sounds, having a controlled spread is beneficial in the long run. The more people get infected, the more build up an immunity when the virus runs its course, and the stronger the effect of 'herd immunity' to shield the vulnerable from the virus. If you can somehow balance those requiring hospitalisation with the capacity of the health system to cope, then that's the optimum scenario.

It's up to our governments to determine how to manage it - not an easy task so I'm not going to pretend to be an expert and criticise them for making wrong calls as long as they continue to follow the real experts (which they seem to be doing).

agreed but we need a better picture of the true current picture before taking that strategy. We don’t know if we tighten up or slack off to get that line tracking

agreed the authorities have difficult decisions to make. But even if some disagree, the community needs to take heed to the spirit (not the ‘letter’ note AFL) so that measures are effective.
I’m reminded in the aids epidemic some sick people deliberately infected as many others as possible. No doubt some would do that

 

[D-N-R]

I agree with everything you have said but I do think we shouldnt be quoting the lack of community spread stats. There is massive community spread - we just havent tested for it as much (at least in NSW/Vic).

Probably a bit naive to think it isnt rampant at the moment

They haven't done enough testing but they've done a lot and they're targeting those at most risk.

There is undoubtedly community spread, but to say it is 'rampant' is not backed up by evidence, only your opinion.

Trying to compare what is happening in countries with higher population densities in the height of their flu season to Australia isnt science. It's guessing.

 

[Power Raid]

Its frustrating because there are people on both sides who are clearly completely wrong and they feed off each other, making one another more stubborn.

The virus is very serious and people need to treat it so but you just know hardly anyone is. I hate this trait of modern life how their is no individual responsibility and its easier to blame the Government, your work or someone else entirely. Dont touch anything you dont have to when you're out, wash your hands, stay home if you have ANY symptoms and the virus will be stopped much quicker. Its easier for people to just go about their daily lives then blame someone else later.

On the other end of the scale, I struggle to see how we end up worse than Italy's death rate / total death numbers. There are several factors that go into this that have been detailed many times on here but if someone can explain to me with logic and facts about how we could end up worse or the same as Italy given they had more than 3 times the number of deaths of us by the time we had a similar amount of cases I'm all ears.

For my part, I think the obvious things the Government should have and could be doing better
1) Honesty and clarity in their messaging with the approach we are taking and why.
2) Shutting down the borders A LOT sooner - this annoys me the most
3) Have started manufacturing our own kits sooner so we can test as many people as humanely possible at all times.

Given the government’s stated position is to have controlled spread......introduction to the continent is and was necessary

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

No chance we reach those numbers

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That's a huge call. There is definitely a very real chance. I don't think it will be that high by that point, because we are naturally better placed than some places have been. But we aren't actually doing very much to stop it either and it will be a few days (a long time in terms of how early we are in this) before we see any effects in the numbers of the latest two sets of restrictions and guidelines. If they have any effect.
We did start with social distancing measuers earlier, even if unenforced and often poorly followed. That buys some time.

 

[Dez!]

He's been in quarantine since returning and has had no contact with anyone at Collingwood.

 

[Forward Press]

agreed but we need a better picture of the true current picture before taking that strategy. We don’t know if we tighten up or slack off to get that line tracking

agreed the authorities have difficult decisions to make. But even if some disagree, the community needs to take heed to the spirit (not the ‘letter’ note AFL) so that measures are effective.
I’m reminded in the aids epidemic some sick people deliberately infected as many others as possible. No doubt some would do that

Also agreed. Boris' idea was sound in theory but complete madness as it would lead to the health system being quickly overwhelmed and large scale deaths of those that weren't as vulnerable - and that's assuming that one person or one event doesn't eventually compromise the whole thing.

If the government needs to deploy police and martial law (let's hope not) to enforce quarantine because too many people are treating it as a joke then I fully support it. I read somewhere that 40,000 Italians were arrested and fined for violating lockdown conditions, for example. I hope Australia doesn't become like that but if so then we need government intervention.

 

[Pessimistic]

There is something to panic about, it's to panic about others panic buying because others are panicking.

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‘was thinking we could generate an avocado shortage to wake the millennials up

 

[Power Raid]

You're trivializing it and I find it appalling.

From October 2019 to January this year which is flu season in Italy there was less than 250 deaths in three months. Three has been 4000 "reported" deaths in just over three weeks of Covid-19.

They are using the military to transport coffins.

Family can't attend funerals and are quarantined.

People are dying in homes and left there while the family can't leave their house.

Yep just like flu season.

No it’s not trivialising to highlight the flue killed 68,000 in Italy in three flue seasons.

That 7,000 per month


Perhaps trivialising any of the ordinary flu, diabetes, cancer, heart conditions promotes a loss of perspective and fuels fear.

Corona is serious but perspective enables a rational and measured response. Are you a toilet paper vandal?

 

[D-N-R]

He's been in quarantine since returning and has had no contact with anyone at Collingwood.

 

[kaiserchief13]

It's almost a certainty that someone in the afl clubs has it, but they are not being tested as they have no symptoms and not come from overseas or no confirmed contact with anyone that has it. Same as probably 50% of the population as well

 

[D-N-R]

No it’s not trivialising to highlight the flue killed 68,000 in Italy in three flue seasons.

That 7,000 per month


Perhaps trivialising any of the ordinary flu, diabetes, cancer, heart conditions promotes a loss of perspective and fuels fear.

Corona is serious but perspective enables a rational and measured response. Are you a toilet paper vandal?

By comparing it to the flu you are trivialising it.

Normal flu doesn't overwhelm hospitals to the point of triaging patients based on age, or make the morgues, funeral homes and cemeteries overflow so the army is required to move bodies.

Governments don't shut down their own countries and tank economies for shits and giggles.

It does not mean we should panic but don't pretend we can't end up like other places.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Just came back from a shopping centre and there were plenty of toilet paper and plenty of soap.Seems like the supermarkets have developed tactics to beat the horders.

Not here. No soap, hand cleanser, wipes, toilet paper, dry pasta, very little rice, for two weeks now (Belconnen, ACT) any time I've been. (Mostly Coles, but also Aldi and Woolworths)

 

[theyellowsash]

He's been in quarantine since returning and has had no contact with anyone at Collingwood.

Yeah but that doesn't sell newspapers

 

[boncer34]

It's almost a certainty that someone in the afl clubs has it, but they are not being tested as they have no symptoms and not come from overseas or no confirmed contact with anyone that has it. Same as probably 50% of the population as well

Only 50%? Why not 60, 70 or 80?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There goes round 2

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

There goes round 2

Nah.

 

[parano1a]

There goes round 2

The staff member has been in self isolation since returning from an overseas trip and hasn't been in contact with anyone at the club.

 

[Credit2thaB0is]

There goes round 2

No he came from overseas and self-quarantined straight away. No problem there.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

Reckon there will be internal pressure on players not to ask for a test if they have mild symptoms, because they know the 1st person to test positive means season over.