Research Correcting historical match starting times

[the croucher]

1922
Grand Final 14 October Collingwood v Fitzroy
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Herald issue of Friday 13 October carries an advertisement which includes
“..Grand Final / Collingwood v Fitzroy / Melbourne Cricket Ground / at 2.45”

Advertising - The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 13 Oct 1922

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1922 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[rbartlett]

1922
Grand Final 14 October Collingwood v Fitzroy
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Herald issue of Friday 13 October carries an advertisement which includes
“..Grand Final / Collingwood v Fitzroy / Melbourne Cricket Ground / at 2.45”

Advertising - The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 13 Oct 1922

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1922 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

They have been added to the spreadsheet.

Only GF start times yet to be documented (up to 1930) are 1905, 1918-1921, 1924-26, 1929-30

 

[the croucher]

1926
Grand Final 9 October Melbourne v Collingwood
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

Geelong Advertiser issue of Saturday 9 October carries an advertisement which includes
“..Grand Final Matches / Geelong Seconds v Carlton Seconds / at 12.30 p.m. / Melbourne v Collingwood at 2.45 / p.m.”

Advertising - Geelong Advertiser (Vic. : 1859 - 1929) - 9 Oct 1926

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1926 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1919
Grand Final 11 October Collingwood v Richmond
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 3.00

The Herald issue of Friday 10 October carries an advertisement which includes
“..Grand Final / Melbourne Cricket Ground / ..Collingwood v Richmond / At 3 p.m.”

Advertising - The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 10 Oct 1919

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1919 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 3.00

 

[the croucher]

1930
Grand Final 11 October Geelong v Collingwood
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Sun-News Pictorial issue of Saturday 11 October has an item which includes
“..Geelong and Collingwood / in Grand Final Today / ..The Match will begin at 2.45”

LAST OF LEAGUE FOOTBALL - Geelong and Collingwood In Grand Final Today - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 11 Oct 1930

NOTWITHSTANDING its defeat last Saturday, Collingwood is very confident of turning the tables on Geelong in the League grand ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1930 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1946
Grand Final 5 October Essendon v Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

Listing of “Tomorrow’s Sport” in The Herald issue of Friday 4 October states
League Grand Final to start at 2.45 p.m.

TOMORROW'S SPORT - The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 4 Oct 1946

RACING.--Flemington, Randwick (NSW), Morphettville (SA), Albion Park (Q.). FOOTBALL.--League: Grand Final, ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1946 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1931
Grand Final 10 October Geelong v Richmond
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Sun-News Pictorial issue of Saturday 10 October match preview includes
“The match will begin at 2.45 at the M.C.C. ground”

Great Fight For Premiership LAST MAT OF SEASON - Geelong and Richmond In Grand Final - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 10 Oct 1931

TODAY the Victorian football season will end with the grand final game between Geelong and Richmond teams for the League ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1931 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1932
Grand Final 1 October Carlton v Richmond
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

Sun-News Pictorial issue of Saturday 1 October included a list “What’s on in Sport Today / ..Football - League grand final, Richmond v Carlton at M.C.C. ground, at 2.45”

What’s on In Sport Today - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 1 Oct 1932

TURF,—V.R.C. October meeting, first of eight races at 1. October Stakes at 4.30. FOOTBALL.—League grand final, Richmond v. Carlton, at M.C.C. ground, at ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1932 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[rbartlett]

All have been added to spreadsheet

 

[the croucher]

1941
Grand Final 27 September 1941 Essendon v Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Herald issue of Friday 26 September has an item which includes “..Preceded by a League Seconds grand final at 12.15 p.m., Fitzroy v Essendon - the big game will start at 2.45 p.m.”

TOPS OF THE HOPS-- BALLARAT BITTER - DONS HAVE MEN TO WIN LEAGUE GRAND FINAL - The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 26 Sep 1941

Essendon are my choice for the 1911 League football premiership. Powerful as Melbourne are. Essendon appear to have the men and methods to master them in the grand final at Melbourne Cricket Ground tomorrow. An enormous ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so…

Summary: 1941 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1940
Grand Final 28 September Melbourne v Richmond
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

Sun-News Pictorial 28 September issue carries an item which includes
“League Grand Final Melbourne v Richmond 2.45”

What’s On In Sport Today - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 28 Sep 1940

THE TURF.—Races at Moonee Valley, first at 1.30. FOOTBALL. — League grand final, Melbourne, v. Richmond, M.C.C, ground ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so...

Summary: 1940 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[Gibbsy]

Oliver G tagging you in so you're across all these changes for AF

 

[the croucher]

1936
Grand Final Saturday 3 October 1936 Collingwood v South Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Argus issue of Saturday 3 October carries a list which includes
”..League grand final../ South Melbourne v Collingwood, at 2.45.”

PROGRAMME OF WEEK-END SPORT - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 3 Oct 1936

FOOTBALL.—League grand final at the Melbourne Cricket-ground, South Melbourne v. Colingwood, at 2.45. BOWLS.—Matches on firstnamed green. A ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1936 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1937
Grand Final Saturday 25 September1937 Collingwood v Geelong
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Australasian issue of Saturday 2 October carries a match report by J Worrall which includes ”..so great was the crowd that the gates, including those of the members’ reserve, were closed at 2.45, the hour of commencement.”

PROGRAMME OF WEEK-END SPORT - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 3 Oct 1936

FOOTBALL.—League grand final at the Melbourne Cricket-ground, South Melbourne v. Colingwood, at 2.45. BOWLS.—Matches on firstnamed green. A ...

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The other match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1937 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1935
Grand Final Saturday 5 October 1935 Collingwood v South Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Sun News-Pictorial issue of Saturday 5 October carries a short item that includes
“The grand final, which is expected to attract the record crowd of the season, will begin at 2.45 p.m.”

SOUTH WITHOUT BOB PRATT - Crack Forward To Miss Big Game - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 5 Oct 1935

SOUTH MELBOURNE will miss Pratt, its crack goal-kicker, in the grand final match for the League premiership against Collingwood at the Melbourne ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1935 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1939
Grand Final 30 September Collingwood v Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Sun News-Pictorial issue of Friday 29 September carries a match preview which includes “..It might be a mistake to accept the Melbourne team as placed for publication as the exact line-up at 2.45 p.m. tomorrow.”

MELBOURNE’S GRAND FINAL SURPRISE - MUELLER PLACED AT FULL BACK Battle Of Tactics In Last Premiership Game - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 29 Sep 1939

GREATER than any surprise on the eve of a League grand final in years was the announcement last night by the Melbourne club selectors that Jack Mueller would play at full back in the last match ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary: 1939 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[Oliver G]

Sorry all, didn't realise there was a separate thread for match times. AF is now up to date with the changes and I've subscribed to the thread so all further changes should be corrected within 24 hours.

 

[the croucher]

1942
Grand Final 19 September 1942 Essendon v Richmond
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Age issue of Thursday 17 September has an item which includes umpires appointed list
“..League Umpires / …2.45 p.m. - Essendon v Richmond.-”

Football - SERVICES v. LEAGUE - The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) - 17 Sep 1942

The last senior football match of the season will be played at the Carlton ground on September 26 between a Combined Services side and the League ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so…

Summary: 1942 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1945
Grand Final 29 September Carlton v South Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Sun-News Pictorial issue of 29 September carries a list which includes
“Today’s Football / League - 2.45: Grand final, Carlton / v South Melbourne, at Carlton..”

Today's Football - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 29 Sep 1945

LEAGUE. — 2,45: Grand final, Carlton v. South Melbourne, at Carlton: 12.30: Esseudon Thirds v. Ascot United. ASSOCIATION, — 2.45: Final. Coburg ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1945 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1947
Grand Final Saturday 27 September Carlton v Essendon
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.45

The Argus issue of 27 September carries a match preview which includes
“..Preceded by a League seconds’ grand final between Richmond and North Melbourne, to start at noon, the big game will begin at 2.45.”

Fit teams to decide football premiership today - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 27 Sep 1947

FOOTBALL at its best, with two well-matched and well-trained teams in action, should attract many thousands to the Melbourne ground today, when Carlton and Essendon will meet to decide the 1947 football premiership. ...

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1947 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.45

 

[the croucher]

1948
Grand Final Saturday 2 October Essendon v Melbourne
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.30

list in Sporting Globe issue of Wednesday 29 September says GF at 2.30

VFL GRAND FINAL - Sporting Globe (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954) - 29 Sep 1948

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list in the Sun News-Pictorial issue of Saturday 2 October says GF at 2.30

What’s On In Sport - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 2 Oct 1948

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1948 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.30

 

[the croucher]

1948
Grand Final Replay Saturday 9 October Essendon v Melbourne
AFL Tables has start as 2.15 and AustralianFootball has start as 2.30, I think it should be 2.30

list in the Sun News-Pictorial issue of Saturday 9 October says GF start at 2.30

What’s On In Sport - The Sun News-Pictorial (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954; 1956) - 9 Oct 1948

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The match reports and post-match reviews I have read so far don’t refer to any delay so..

Summary - 1948 Grand Final Replay start time remove 2.15 and replace with 2.30

 

[the croucher]

1949
Grand Final 24 September Essendon v Carlton
AFL Tables and AustralianFootball websites have start as 2.50, I think it should be 2.35

Start time for Grand Final was due to be 2.30 as per this article in The Age of Monday 26 September
”The gates were closed at 1.15 p.m. - an hour and a quarter before the big game was due to begin.”

V.F.L. Grand Final - Football Fans Break Gates - The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) - 26 Sep 1949

Hundreds of people broke through gates and forced their way into the Melbourne Cricket Ground on Saturday to see the League grand final between Essendon and ...

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…but a slight delay until 2.35 occurred as per item in The Herald issue of Saturday 24 September..”The teams lined up for the National Anthem at 2.35-five minutes after scheduled starting time, and the game began immediately afterwards

Mighty Cheers Welcome Play - The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 24 Sep 1949

Today's League grand final af the Melbourne Cricket Ground was a panorama of color and crowded incident. The teams lined up for the National Anthem ...

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Summary - 1949 Grand Final start time remove 2.50 and replace with 2.35

 

[Registered User]

so, I take it a lot of the times on AFL Tables are wrong, right?