Cousins sacking justified

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I would like to see an official of the Little Company of Mary hospital publicly state they released confidential medical records to CH9 journalists.

Releasing or obtaining personal medical information without a court order is illegal in both America and Australia.

Channel Nine should be very worried.

Oh wait , they said "allegedly" , "sources confirmed" , "witnesses said" , "it was reported" , "we have confirmed" , "is believed" , "appears"

These are carefully chosen words by media outlets to avoid any legal ramifications.

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Archie Jnr said:
I would like to see an official of the Little Company of Mary hospital publicly state they released confidential medical records to CH9 journalists.

Releasing or obtaining personal medical information without a court order is illegal in both America and Australia.

Channel Nine should be very worried.

Oh wait , they said "allegedly" , "sources confirmed" , "witnesses said" , "it was reported" , "we have confirmed" , "is believed" , "appears"

These are carefully chosen words by media outlets to avoid any legal ramifications.

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Words that most of the population skim right over
 

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WCE57 said:
Thanks Isandula for writing this comment and others. I find this situation so utterly tragic, that I nearly broke down in tears today. If it end the way, its looking. Well, there will be no winners in this. And a life lost to drugs is fair worse than anything bad associated with football. A family is fighting for their son.

I too, find it pretty disgusting that people find this situation amusing or a form of entertainment. Its nearly puts me off football completely. What will be a bigger tragedy is that another footballer ( from any team) will get in the same place as Cuz is at the moment and that will be mean we wouldn't haven't learn anything from this. I wish Ben and his family all the best
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Isandula and WCE57

my thoughts exactly-he needs Australias support not their derision.

Now Worsfold weighing and saying he is dragging the club down-

The poor ba***d almost killed himsel on the streets of LA alone and outcast -he lost his mate and lost his job-is it any wonder-pressure too much.

How would we have all felt if he actually died on the streets of LA huh?

How freaking tragic is that?

I hate the media and the knockers.
 
westcoastmagic said:
Isandula and WCE57

my thoughts exactly-he needs Australias support not their derision.

Now Worsfold weighing and saying he is dragging the club down-

The poor ba***d almost killed himsel on the streets of LA alone and outcast -he lost his mate and lost his job-is it any wonder-pressure too much.

How would we have all felt if he actually died on the streets of LA huh?

How freaking tragic is that?

I hate the media and the knockers.
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Definitely, isnt about football now its about a person with a serious problem and some people just cant seem to understand this very well, which I guess is going to happen, it always does. No one really knows what its like for a drug addict unless they have experienced it themselves or know someone personally that has. I've learnt through some relatives, the hard way.

So of course Cousins is going to look like a selfish, deceitful prick, that's what addicts are like generally, they cant seem to understand the seriousness of their problem to themselves or others. Sometimes it takes a situation like what just recently happened for them to wake up and realise their problem and that they need help. Sometimes it doesn't, time will tell in this case.
 
Archie Jnr said:
Oh wait , they said "allegedly" , "sources confirmed" , "witnesses said" , "it was reported" , "we have confirmed" , "is believed" , "appears"

These are carefully chosen words by media outlets to avoid any legal ramifications.
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Actually, those phrases offer almost zero legal protection to media outlets if they've done something wrong.

They're used because the people they've spoken to don't want to be identified, or because the journos can't get all their information absolutely confirmed.
 
We would all like to believe that it is not true but nobody in the Cousins camp has come out and refuted any of this so far. And Cousins is fighting a public relations battle to keep his career alive. If it wasn't true they would have said something by now and disputed it. A bit like how Ian Thorpe has never come out and directly refuted that he is gay. If they dodge the question and refuse to make public comment it is 99% chance of being true. Why else would Cousins' dad go and fetch his 29 year old son personally if nothing had gone wrong. Cousins was on a cocaine bender. Lets all face it.
 
15_year_member said:
We would all like to believe that it is not true but nobody in the Cousins camp has come out and refuted any of this so far. And Cousins is fighting a public relations battle to keep his career alive. If it wasn't true they would have said something by now and disputed it. A bit like how Ian Thorpe has never come out and directly refuted that he is gay. If they dodge the question and refuse to make public comment it is 99% chance of being true. Why else would Cousins' dad go and fetch his 29 year old son personally if nothing had gone wrong. Cousins was on a cocaine bender. Lets all face it.
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It is not an issue of wanting to believe it isn't true. It is true. There is more then enough evidence of that.

Also to those questioning this earlier in the thread - hospitals are allowed to confirm someone is a patient there - that is not disclosing medical records. You'll notice that the reports only mention that the hospital has only confirmed that he was a patient, doesn't supply any other details such as what he was in for. No dodginess there.
 
shoe said:
It is not an issue of wanting to believe it isn't true. It is true. There is more then enough evidence of that.

Also to those questioning this earlier in the thread - hospitals are allowed to confirm someone is a patient there - that is not disclosing medical records. You'll notice that the reports only mention that the hospital has only confirmed that he was a patient, doesn't supply any other details such as what he was in for. No dodginess there.
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I have no doubt that it is true. That is what i am saying in my thread. Other people on here are questioning it.

And i agree. I am not a lawyer but i don't think that it is illegal for a hospital to confirm that a patient was there. Happens all the time with celebs in the states. That is not confidential medical records. They prob can't say what he was being treated for. They no doubt got that info from the 911 call which is prob also part of public record.

If Cousins wanted to sue he would have to prove that it wasn't true that he was rushed there in an ambulance.
 
Isandula said:
F*** all the made up characters such as Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy and who ever I have missed. These fantasy hopes are ridiculous and should be banned, children grow up finding out they have been stringed along and lied too :mad: What this has to do with Cousins I don't know but it might in some twisted, weird way :thumbsdown:
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Just need to add a few things to that, I believed in them all when I was young (lol not now), bloody parents giving me false hopes that led to a wild imagination today (yes Im weird and twisted, lol).

No wonder Cousins went off the rails, someone probably told him Santa wasn't true. It would have been devastating for him like it was too me :(

They could have at least made them more realistic, it then wouldn't have been so embarrassing when you did find out the truth :mad:



:D


Get well Cousins, you need help boy when are you going to realise this????
Hopefully not too late...

Also F*** the people who made illegal drugs like cocaine and ice, looks what it has done to so many people and their families. As humans have progressed, they have made the world a shittier place to live :mad: :thumbsdown:
 
westcoastmagic said:
How would we have all felt if he actually died on the streets of LA huh?
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Sadness would be one emotion. Relief that the club had washed their hands of him would be another.

All the love in the world to Ben Cousins, but he's been dealt a far better set of cards than most people in life, and he's been given a far better chance at rehab than most drug addicts get. At some point you just have to shrug and think if he's not prepared to help himself, it really isn't anyone else's problem except he is.

He's also done more to hurt West Coast than anyone in the club's history.
 
Oh gawd, Caro Wilson has really raised the bar in terms of cruddy, rubbish articles in her latest on on the Eagles, just have a look on Realfooty :rolleyes:

Jeez shes obsessed with the Eagles getting rid of Kerr (an unpunished bad egg and they will never learn if he stays, FFS:thumbsdown:), too ridiculuos now :rolleyes:
 
I would never hit a woman really but caroline wilson is one I would be most tempted with. I can't wait for the day her beloved Richmond stuffs up
 

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15_year_member said:
I have no doubt that it is true. That is what i am saying in my thread. Other people on here are questioning it.

And i agree. I am not a lawyer but i don't think that it is illegal for a hospital to confirm that a patient was there. Happens all the time with celebs in the states. That is not confidential medical records. They prob can't say what he was being treated for. They no doubt got that info from the 911 call which is prob also part of public record.

If Cousins wanted to sue he would have to prove that it wasn't true that he was rushed there in an ambulance.
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Sorry mate, must have misread. :)

And yeah, I can confirm that they definitely cannot confirm what he is/was in for but can confirm the existence of a patient in a hospital.
Imagine calling a hospital to inquire if your loved one was admitted only to be told that was confidential?
And yeah, 911 calls are in the public domain and freely accessable - i've listened to/read/seen on tv many, many 911 transcripts. Odds are that journo's were madly searching for any such 'appropriate facility' (according to Bryan Cousins) that Benny was admitted to, and after finding nothing tried the 911 calls..

Either that or one of the girls Cuz was with was paid off handsomely for the tip-off. Neither would surprise me.
 
Suma article worth posting









Saturday November 10, 2007



Rules differ for Pratt

Tim Lane | November 10, 2007

"AFL Commission Lays Charge Against Ben Cousins" was the subject of the news release from the AFL at 6.19pm last Friday . It came on the same day as Justice Peter Heerey delivered his findings in the Federal Court on Richard Pratt and his company, Visy, over a cartel operation.
Cousins has a serious substance abuse problem. We've now learnt that his problem with drugs caused a crisis on his recent trip to Los Angeles. It is painfully obvious that this young man desperately needs help. Last month he was apprehended by Western Australian police. As yet, the remaining charge against him has not been tested in court.
Pratt and his company, meanwhile, were found guilty of what Justice Heerey described as "by far the most serious cartel case to come before the court". Visy was fined $36 million. The judge lamented that "the Government hasn't yet got around to introducing criminalisation" of such behaviour, which would allow for jail sentences.
Cousins' club, West Coast, has indicated that it will terminate the player's contract. Pratt's club, Carlton, has said: "We'll just do whatever we need to do to keep him as president."
That may involve the extraordinary measure of transferring ownership of its poker machines to a separate organisation if Pratt is found unsuitable by the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation to continue to hold a gaming licence.
Cousins continually has faced accusations from media commentators, and presumably from many within football administration, of arrogance and lack of genuine contrition for the error of his ways. Pratt's contrition, according to Justice Heerey, "probably has a substantial element of regret at being found out".
Cousins often wears T-shirts, sometimes takes them off, and sports a philosophical, if somewhat defiant tattoo prominently across his midriff.
Some hysterical commentators believe this alone should be enough to condemn him.
Pratt is a white-collar man. Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chairman Graeme Samuel observed last week: "Cartels are theft — usually by well-dressed thieves."
Cousins is required to face an AFL Commission meeting on November 19, which will determine whether he "has been involved in conduct which is unbecoming or likely to … bring the game of football into disrepute". There is speculation that this could even be career-ending for the brilliant former West Coast captain and 2005 Brownlow medallist. His livelihood will be affected severely if the AFL finds him guilty.

The AFL, as yet, has made no plans to even consider whether Pratt also may have been involved in conduct that is unbecoming or likely to bring football into disrepute. As for his earning power, Visy isn't about to close its operation.
Whereas any crimes committed by Cousins were in his private life and with himself as the major victim, Pratt, in Justice Heerey's opinion, ripped off all Australians. He did this in his role as chairman of a business, precisely the same kind of role he holds within football.
If it is argued Cousins has brought the game into disrepute, it's hard to see how Pratt could possibly avoid such a charge. The difference between Cousins and Pratt, though, is that one is an individual contractor and the other a rich and powerful businessman.
West Coast has cast Cousins adrift. Carlton will do what it can to keep Pratt as president.
An International sports labour law lecturer, and consultant to various Australian sports bodies, Braham Dabscheck, has written of the Cousins case that West Coast "abdicated their common law obligation to an employee — an employee who was in rehabilitation seeking to overcome problems with drugs". "This demonising of Ben Cousins constitutes one of the blackest days in Australian sport."
The AFL intends to pursue Cousins further at its November 19 commission meeting. That the president of one of its 16 clubs has been fined $36 million by the Federal Court is not on the agenda.
The matter of what the AFL should demand of its personnel away from the game's workface remains arguable. However, if only one of Cousins and Pratt is to be pursued for his sins, it remains debatable which man should be in the dock.
 
Tim Lane is a quality man. To see him at least think about the situation rather than follow the rest of the mob, well its just shows what a rare breed he is in the AFL. He is one of few media people, that I respect greatly.
 
I do believe delisting wuld have been the right choice in light of these new facts (bender in usa) but i still believe his sacking after the charges that were dropped were too haty and a little unfair.

i hope Ben recovers and gets his life on track but im still in a state of shock that we will never see this magnificant player in action again :(
 
Emjay said:
I do believe delisting wuld have been the right choice in light of these new facts (bender in usa) but i still believe his sacking after the charges that were dropped were too haty and a little unfair.

i hope Ben recovers and gets his life on track but im still in a state of shock that we will never see this magnificant player in action again :(
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Yeh its sad that we will never be able to see Benny back in again but i think most of us WC fans would prefer it that way then watching him run would next yr with a team like Sydney. That would hurt even more.
 
Isandula said:
Definitely, isnt about football now its about a person with a serious problem and some people just cant seem to understand this very well, which I guess is going to happen, it always does. No one really knows what its like for a drug addict unless they have experienced it themselves or know someone personally that has. I've learnt through some relatives, the hard way.

So of course Cousins is going to look like a selfish, deceitful prick, that's what addicts are like generally, they cant seem to understand the seriousness of their problem to themselves or others. Sometimes it takes a situation like what just recently happened for them to wake up and realise their problem and that they need help. Sometimes it doesn't, time will tell in this case.
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All the media care about is their headline

No one can see how bad this is = not the AFL, not WCE and certainly not the f((((((n media :mad:

If this keeps going they will get it allright - just like the British Media did 10 years ago
 
I am puzzled-


If this whole "bender in LA "story has any substance in it why would he be fronting up at the AFL meeting in Sydney on the 19th trying to save his career? What would be the point?????

I mean what am I missing here?

Its been said he had a good report from the treatment centre and that "he should be proud of himself" (I van post these articles)this was on the day he left to come back to Australia- SO my question is-if he stuffed up on a 5 day cocaine bender he would HAVE TO KNOW this would follow right on his heels in the media- and it would be the last nail in his coffin footy wise.

Noone is that stupid that they would think that if this was a true story that by the time Ben and his dad reached Australia it would be all over the media.

Too many things dont make sense to me.

I think the bender story is a beat up- just SCUM media- AGAIN!!!!!

The truth will come out eventually-

Bens family arent refuting or admitting anything because it would be twisted and misreported-best to shut up.



I would like to see him play for any club ( even the Swans)if that what he wanted to do or the only options he had available to him after this.

Im not that selfish that I would want him to never play for another club just because he was once in my footy club- its his life- his decision-

He will need footy to help him in his recovery process- something to strive for. He is a great player-he will play again.
 

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