Cricket Discussion - Part 3

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philreich said:
Unpopular opinion - the women's Ashes is far more interesting than the Big Bash. The Aussies won a tight 2nd ODI today by 21 runs, to edge ahead in favouritism to retain the urn. If you happen to watch the highlights, the highlight for me was Alana King's equivalent of Warne's Gatting ball: brilliant stuff!!!
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My big issue is that having short form cricket games and calling it "the ashes" should be illegal.

For me I just wish they would have the test match and call that the ashes. Eventually pushing for a 2, then 3 match series.Then have a separate short form mixed (t20 and odi) series and call that whatever they want.

I could get behind that 100%. But not what they've done.
 
The Ashes only truly relates to the men's game ie the history behind it and the death of English cricket after the first time the non nation of Australia, ie Victorians and New South Welshmen beat the poms on English soil at The Oval in 1882.

Women's game using it, just like Rugby League Tests between Oz and England using it, is just crappy marketing.
 
EskimoPAFC said:
My big issue is that having short form cricket games and calling it "the ashes" should be illegal.

For me I just wish they would have the test match and call that the ashes. Eventually pushing for a 2, then 3 match series.Then have a separate short form mixed (t20 and odi) series and call that whatever they want.

I could get behind that 100%. But not what they've done.
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I definitely agree with that. The girls themselves want to play more Tests, but the governing body for women's cricket seem to want one off Tests to remain the norm.
 

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philreich said:
I definitely agree with that. The girls themselves want to play more Tests, but the governing body for women's cricket seem to want one off Tests to remain the norm.
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Which I get if there are financial pressures...

But why not just do all the hit and giggle short form crap first as a build up to the one off ashes test? It would make the test so much more meaningful.

The current format says that if one team beats the other in the test, but the other team wins the T20 games the latter team gets more points. Thats ridiculous. It would be like in an AFL grand final doing markers up at half time and if you take more marks you win the GF regardless of the actual score.
 
EskimoPAFC said:
My big issue is that having short form cricket games and calling it "the ashes" should be illegal.

For me I just wish they would have the test match and call that the ashes. Eventually pushing for a 2, then 3 match series.Then have a separate short form mixed (t20 and odi) series and call that whatever they want.

I could get behind that 100%. But not what they've done.
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My problem is with referring to the Australia v England women's competition as 'The Ashes'. There is only one Ashes series and that started back in 1877 and there were no women involved. Let the women come up with another name and stop riding on the coat tails of men's game.

I agree, why not have a five Test series or if that is too demanding a three Test series to decide the trophy? They borrow everything else from the Men's game yet persist with a ridiculous format that elevates white ball cricket above Test cricket.

I wonder how long it will be before someone comes up with the concept of playing the Men's and Women's competitions simultaneously, tallying up the points and deciding the Ashes? Ugh, perish the thought.
 
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A shock Test debut for 21-year-old Cooper Connolly in Sri Lanka has moved closer after a horror compound fracture in his thumb suffered by spinner Matt Kuhnemann left the Australian squad without a frontline left-arm spinner.
Kuhnemann, who was a near lock to play in the opening Test in Galle later this month, ran off the Gabba in agony on Thursday night after attempting to field a Matthew Wade straight drive off his own bowling, on what was to be his final ball of the match,badly hurting his his non-bowling hand.
 
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A shock Test debut for 21-year-old Cooper Connolly in Sri Lanka has moved closer after a horror compound fracture in his thumb suffered by spinner Matt Kuhnemann left the Australian squad without a frontline left-arm spinner.
Kuhnemann, who was a near lock to play in the opening Test in Galle later this month, ran off the Gabba in agony on Thursday night after attempting to field a Matthew Wade straight drive off his own bowling, on what was to be his final ball of the match,badly hurting his his non-bowling hand.
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Suck shit, Jake so-called Fraser-McGurk.
 
Marnus Labuschagne is the latest to push the 'Travis Head to open line' . What happened to the days when players played the game and left selection to the selectors? i would have thought that Marnus has enough problems with his own form without worrying where others are playing.

If the selectors pick Travis as an opener and he fails then George Bailey will be condemned as someone who has not learnt from past mistakes and he should be asked to resign. If Travis is a success as an opener then I will be forced to eat humble pie.
 

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Wisden's 2024 men's Test XI of the year​

1. Yashasvi Jaiswal
2. Ben Duckett
3. Kane Williamson
4. Joe Root
5. Harry Brook
6. Kamindu Mendis
7. Jamie Smith (wk)
8. Ravindra Jadeja
9. Gus Atkinson
10. Matt Henry
11. Jasprit Bumrah (c)

Five poms and no Aussies. Seems a good assessment of where international cricket is as we enter 2025 :drunk:

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2024 In Review: Wisden Cricket Monthly's Men's Test XI Of The Year

Wisden Cricket Monthly has named their 2024 men's Test XI of the year, with young stars dominating the side.
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Festerz said:

Wisden's 2024 men's Test XI of the year​

1. Yashasvi Jaiswal
2. Ben Duckett
3. Kane Williamson
4. Joe Root
5. Harry Brook
6. Kamindu Mendis
7. Jamie Smith (wk)
8. Ravindra Jadeja
9. Gus Atkinson
10. Matt Henry
11. Jasprit Bumrah (c)

Five poms and no Aussies. Seems a good assessment of where international cricket is as we enter 2025 :drunk:

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2024 In Review: Wisden Cricket Monthly's Men's Test XI Of The Year

Wisden Cricket Monthly has named their 2024 men's Test XI of the year, with young stars dominating the side.
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Kane Williamson? Wasn't he injured for most of the year?

I can kind of understand no Australians, given the fact that we didn't play any Tests between early January, and the Perth Test in late November. No South Africans either, and yet the Aussies and Proteas are contesting the Test championship final.
 
philreich said:
Kane Williamson? Wasn't he injured for most of the year?

I can kind of understand no Australians, given the fact that we didn't play any Tests between early January, and the Perth Test in late November. No South Africans either, and yet the Aussies and Proteas are contesting the Test championship final.
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You forgot the 2 tests vs the Kiwis in February in NZ, the 2nd one we were lucky to win after being about 5/80 chasing and needed 280 and got there thanks to Carey and Marsh, but it was only 9 tests we played in 2024.

Oz top order was pretty poor in 2024. After the first test vs India I took some stats by the top 6 from the main cricket board thread and posted them in the Part II thread, and those stats were pretty ordinary.

Edit the stats were for 8 tests, 3 v Pakistan the 3rd was SCG 2024 new years test, 2 v Windies, 2 v NZ in NZ and 1st test v Indians in Perth.

Take out Head's back to back tons in 2nd and 3rd test in India series, and his ton against Windies in January at AO, Smith's tons at the Gabba and MCG against the Indians, Cam Green's 170 odd against Kiwis in Wellington, which was basically the winning margin, and Marsh's 80 odd in Christchurch to win the 2nd test wirh help from Carey, and there was very little else to write about the Oz top 6 in those 9 tests in 2024.

Carey had a good 2024. Cummins robbed him of a ton in Wellingron when he made 98 not out and I reckon he made 3 or 4 other 50s in 2024 and looked good nearly everytime he batted, and glove work was top class. He must have been comsidered a chance.

A couple of the bowlers were stiff not to make it. They were the main reason Oz won 6 of those 9 tests and the draw at the Gabba in 3rd test vs India, the bowlers were thwarted by the rain to try and win that test that was drawn.
 
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RussellEbertHandball said:
You forgot the 2 tests vs the Kiwis in February in NZ, the 2nd one we were lucky to win after being about 5/80 chasing and needed 280 and got there thanks to Carey and Marsh, but it was only 9 tests we played in 2024.

Oz top order was pretty poor in 2024. After the first test vs India I took some stats by the top 6 from the main cricket board thread and posted them in the Part II thread, and those stats were pretty ordinary.

Edit the stats were for 8 tests, 3 v Pakistan the 3rd was SCG 2024 new years test, 2 v Windies, 2 v NZ in NZ and 1st test v Indians in Perth.

Take out Head's back to back tons in 2nd and 3rd test in India series, and his ton against Windies in January at AO, Smith's tons at the Gabba and MCG against the Indians, Cam Green's 170 odd against Kiwis in Wellington, which was basically the winning margin, and Marsh's 80 odd in Christchurch to win the 2nd test wirh help from Carey, and there was very little else to write about the Oz top 6 in those 9 tests in 2024.

Carey had a good 2024. Cummins robbed him of a ton in Wellingron when he made 98 not out and I reckon he made 3 or 4 other 50s in 2024 and looked good nearly everytime he batted, and glove work was top class. He must have been comsidered a chance.

A couple of the bowlers were stiff not to make it. They were the main reason Oz won 6 of those 9 tests and the draw at the Gabba in 3rd test vs India, the bowlers were thwarted by the rain to try and win that test that was drawn.
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How the hell did I forget those Tests across the ditch?

The failures of the top order only prove how good our bowling has been, plus Cummins himself has regularly rescued the team with vital runs in the lower order.

We might need a new skipper for the Sri Lankan tour, after Smith hurt his shoulder while playing for the Sixers on Friday night. Maybe Head or Carey?
 
Cummins has led from the front with both bat and ball for most of his captaincy and helped win so many games. Its a big part of the why his win % is so high.

Its as good as the Ponting era when he had Warne, McGrath, Martyn and Langer for the first 3 years of his captaincy, Gilchrist for another 12 months, Hayden and Brett Lee for another 24 months, plus a young Michael Clarke from near the start of his captaincy.

Cummins has now been Oz Test Captain since November 2021. His record in Oz is P18 for a 13W-2L-3D record and in that time Smith has filled in for another 2 tests and had 2 wins, and his Away record is P15 for a 7W-5L-3D record and Smith has filled in for another 2 tests and had 1 win and 1 draw.

Cummins and Stokes record as captains suggest the Ashes series in Oz starting in November should be close, but since the 1989 Ashes series win in England when Border's side smashed them and started a 35 year history of Oz dominance or near dominance of world cricket, the Poms have had a poor time in Oz.

They were brilliant in 2010-11 winning the series 3-1 and every test win was comprehensive, but in the 8 other test series, Oz has won 2 of them 5-0, 2 of them 4-0, one of them 4-1( Poms winning 5th test) one of them 3-0 and 2 of them 3-1 ( both times Poms won the 4th test, but after ashes have been won).

I just reset this Howstat page by Win% rather than Games won.

Test Cricket - Captaincy Statistics

Test Cricket - win/loss record for captains
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I was listening to The Final Word cricket Podcast the other day and they were talking about the U/19 women's T20 WC and talked about Nigeria and in particular Samoa qualifying as 1 of the 5 minnows and host being played in Malaysia in a 16 team tournament.

I thought I should keep an eye on it and see how the Samoa team goes as that is the first time a Pacific island country has qualified for a WC or T20 WC in men's or women's game.

Well I flick on twitter 5 minutes ago and see this. Looks like some of the ICC development monies the ICC allocates from Indian TV $$$ is starting to bare fruit. Not Samoa but Nigeria wouldn't be that more advanced in their development.

Samoa were scheduled to play Nigeria yesterday but the game was washed out.



 
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The Nigeria win over NZ in the U/19's women's T20 WC got me thinking, how many nations have T20I and ODI status in the women's game?

In the following linked post in the Cricket Discussion Part 2 thread in mid November, I talked about the approx 100 nations needed to play the game, to get into the Olympics, and how a Denmark v Spain or Cyprus v Greece T20I has the same status and statistics qualification as an Australia v England or New Zealand v India T20I game.

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In that post I put the link to Crincinfo's T20I men's results page that showed 103 nations and territories as having played official international games.

Take away 8 teams, ie a World XI and 7 territories of Bermuda and Cayman Islands who have National Olympic Committees (NOCs) plus Gibraltar, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Jersey and St Helena and you have 95 nations. But the West Indies isn't a nation it covers players from 10 nations, 3 British territories, the US Virgin Islands and Sint Maarten which is part of Kingdom of the Netherlands, so that is 104 nations are effectively represented - all who have National Olympic Committees + Bermuda and Cayman Islands have NOCs so that makes it 106.

At this stage only 6 men's and 6 women's teams are slated to play in the LA Olympics, but there is talk that could increase to 8 each.

For ODI's 29 nations and territories have played international status games. 20 nations have played at an ICC ODI World Cup In the above post I also linked the Crincinfo's ODI men's results page.

3 of those teams are African, Asian and World XIs. East Africa combined nations played in 1975 WC but no longer exist, so down to 25 teams. Jersey is a territory of UK have played 5 games, all in 2023, so now down to 24 teams. There are 5 nations that haven't been to an ODI WC but have been to a T20I WC and have ODI international status - Hong Kong, Nepal, Oman PNG and USA which leaves the 19 nations that have been to an ODI WC ( and still exist).

In the women's game 90 nations and territories have T20I status. See

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Women T20I matches | Team records | Results summary | ESPNcricinfo

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And 22 teams have ODI status in the women's game, but a few haven't competed since the 1970's Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, and Young England and an International XI that hasn't played since 1982, so effectively 18 nations ie 17 nations + Scotland have ODI status. The 11 test playing nations - Afghanistan don't have status, + Denmark, Japan, Netherlands, PNG, Thailand, USA and Scotland. See

www.espncricinfo.com

Women ODI matches | Team records | Results summary | ESPNcricinfo

Find records of Results summary in Women ODI matches only on ESPNcricinfo.
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India like Oz have basically named their 2023 Squad for Champions Trophy.

Oz have named 12 of their 15 WC squad, with Warner having retired, Cam Green injured and dropped Abbott and in comes Short, Hardie and Ellis. India has named 11 of their 15 WC squad. Good to see Shami is back to full health again to make a national squad.





 
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