Cricket Thread: Indian Summer

[Cap]

Missed too much time hasn't he to get anywhere close.

Total wickets don't = best bowler

But **** me , I forget McGrath went 563 wickets at 21.64.

 

[FR0GGY]

Total wickets don't = best bowler

But fu** me , I forget McGrath went 563 wickets at 21.64.

Its got a fair bit to do with it.

 

[Clayton Lamb]

So what's peoples projection on Cummins?

Greatest Bowler ever? Behind McGrath? Behind Warne?

196 wickets at thus stage in 41 tests at 21.38.

Regardless of wicket tally, I think he is a touch better than McGrath at the moment.

 

[Cap]

Its got a fair bit to do with it.

I would have Cummins already above Brett Lee for instance, actually looking at the list of wicket takers it's only really Warne and Mcgrath I'd have him behind apart from Lillie who was a superstar in a different era (didn't see Clary Grimmitt so can't compare)

Lyon has taken 427 test wickets, but he is not even in the same league as Cummins

 

[FR0GGY]

I would have Cummins already above Brett Lee for instance, actually looking at the list of wicket takers it's only really Warne and Mcgrath I'd have him behind apart from Lillie who was a superstar in a different era (didn't see Clary Grimmitt so can't compare)

Lyon has taken 427 test wickets, but he is not even in the same league as Cummins

Yeah but he'd be up there if not for injury you'd assume.

 

[spenze]

A few more overs of Travis Head would not have hurt.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves

 

[Cap]

Yeah but he'd be up there if not for injury you'd assume.

Yeah fair call.

 

[spenze]

I would have Cummins already above Brett Lee for instance, actually looking at the list of wicket takers it's only really Warne and Mcgrath I'd have him behind apart from Lillie who was a superstar in a different era (didn't see Clary Grimmitt so can't compare)

Lyon has taken 427 test wickets, but he is not even in the same league as Cummins

Not even a contest and Lee would agree on that. You also have to take into account, 2 series, 2 wins as a bowling captain...what a man...what an Aussie...jeez, the selectors have an easy assignment this year for Australian of the year

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

So what's peoples projection on Cummins?

Greatest Bowler ever? Behind McGrath? Behind Warne?

196 wickets at thus stage in 41 tests at 21.38.

Not quite at McGrath's level yet but has overtaken Dizzy, who was still a quality quick.

 

[Concussion test]

Party time for the boys tonight

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

 

[Cap]

I have to admit, I was watching the cricket

But fortunately, when all is done and dusted, no one can prove that

 

[Vader]

So what's peoples projection on Cummins?

Greatest Bowler ever? Behind McGrath? Behind Warne?

196 wickets at thus stage in 41 tests at 21.38.

Will finish as one of the greats, in terms of strike rate & averages.

... but won't get anywhere near the pointy end of the wicket taking list, due to the number of years he's missed due to injury.

 

[spenze]

Will finish as one of the greats, in terms of strike rate & averages.

... but won't get anywhere near the pointy end of the wicket taking list, due to the number of years he's missed due to injury.

He has 5-7 years ahead of him in tests, he will be at the pointy end.

 

[StonesThrow]

Terrible declaration. Absolute amateur hour stuff.

This will be a historically bad decision - they'll be bringing up Australia losing a test series by declaring too early on a flat track for years.

This will be as demoralising as the Brisbane loss to India.

What a terrible post. This is a historically bad post made by the worst poster the world has ever seen.

We will be taking about this post for centuries.

 

[CrowBloke]

If we don't get another reverse-swing burst from Starc, we'll lose this comfortably.
I don't think we'll win by grinding them out slowly.
It was a poor declaration against all test traditions.

Still looks like a good deck to bat on, think we're cooked.

I have to admit, I thought the declaration was generous and that Pakistan could easily graft to 250 @ 2.5/over with, say, 3 wickets down then have a crack at the win, but
--- the Day 5 wicket was a factor
--- Lyon and Cummins bowled tirelessly, brilliantly.

Great win in a series played in excellent spirit, in spite of the dead wicket for the First Test.

 

[hey shorty]

I have to admit, I thought the declaration was generous and that Pakistan could easily graft to 250 @ 2.5/over with, say, 3 wickets down then have a crack at the win, but
--- the Day 5 wicket was a factor
--- Lyon and Cummins bowled tirelessly, brilliantly.

Great win in a series played in excellent spirit, in spite of the dead wicket for the First Test.

Was an incredible performance by a side renowned for not being able to do what they did at the end of a long tour.

Well done.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Regardless of wicket tally, I think he is a touch better than McGrath at the moment.

Nah. McGrath is in the worlds best 11 for a reason. The dude could hit the same line and length ball after ball, over after over, spell after spell, test after test. The fact he produced such efficiency often reduced teams scoring to next to nothing during a spell and the pressure created produced a lot of wickets for other bowlers. Lee, Warne and Gillespie can thank McGrath for a lot of their wickets. Cummins is good but he is a tad more attacking than McGrath and i'd say a far different type of bowler. Hazelwood is your genuine comparison in the side at the moment. As far as career points go you are neither right or wrong. Cummins will go down as a great if he continues on his trajectory but he wont be displacing McGrath from the best 11 as McGrath's line and length is universally something Cummins doesn't offer.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Cummins as test captain might be a point of difference when he gets compared to our other champion bowlers

Very few bowlers have done it at all. Over time if his stint proves to be a successful one that's something no one else had since Benaud

 

[brucetiki]

I managed to watch both

 

[Mego Red]

Terrible declaration. Absolute amateur hour stuff.

This will be a historically bad decision - they'll be bringing up Australia losing a test series by declaring too early on a flat track for years.

This will be as demoralising as the Brisbane loss to India.

Lol, you f***ing idiot.

Well balanced declaration that took into consideration Pakistan's tail and the speed they liked to bat.

 

[Vader]

He has 5-7 years ahead of him in tests, he will be at the pointy end.

Unlikely. He didn't play at all between 2012-2016, and 2020 & 2021 were almost completely wiped out due to COVID.

Cummins age is currently 28 yrs 322 days. I can't say that he won't play until he's 35... but history says that few fast bowlers last that long. Yes, Courtney Walsh & Jimmy Anderson did it, but there are a hell of a lot more that were long retired by then.

He's currently on 197 wickets. His best year was 2019, when he took 59 wickets. His next best was 2018, when he took 44. Let's say he averages 50 wickets per year, from here on, with no decline in his later years - he'd need to play 7 years to get anywhere near McGrath's total. He'd need to get through all of those 7 years without missing any significant periods to injury. I just can't see that happening.

As a bowler, he is already one of the 3 greatest fast bowlers of my lifetime - along with McGrath & Lillee. He's better than Dizzy, Lee, McDermott, Hughes & Thomson, even if he hasn't overtaken some of them on the wicket taking ladder yet. However, COVID & injuries mean that his career has lost too many seasons already for him to reach McGrath & Anderson at the pointy end of the fast bowlers wicket taking records.

John Coleman is remembered as one of the all-time VFL greats. The AFL's annual goal kicking award is named after him. Coleman only played 98 VFL games, and is currently 53rd on the AFL/VFL's list of highest goal scorers. He is a legend of the game, despite his short career resulting in him not being at the very top of the goal scoring list. I see Cummins ending up being remembered the same way.

 

[dogs105]

A few more overs of Travis Head would not have hurt.

Well he would be less likely to have to field it then...

 

[Vader]

On the lighter side of things, England achieved something in the Windies which hasn't happened since 1885. Their #10 and #11 batsmen were their two highest scorers in the 1st innings of the 3rd Test.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...k/news-story/681c343af13a973bb8111b882e2efb14

... and it wasn't a case of reversing the batting order, as happened occasionally in the days of "sticky wickets" in the era of uncovered pitches.

 

[Clayton Lamb]

Nah. McGrath is in the worlds best 11 for a reason. The dude could hit the same line and length ball after ball, over after over, spell after spell, test after test. The fact he produced such efficiency often reduced teams scoring to next to nothing during a spell and the pressure created produced a lot of wickets for other bowlers. Lee, Warne and Gillespie can thank McGrath for a lot of their wickets. Cummins is good but he is a tad more attacking than McGrath and i'd say a far different type of bowler. Hazelwood is your genuine comparison in the side at the moment. As far as career points go you are neither right or wrong. Cummins will go down as a great if he continues on his trajectory but he wont be displacing McGrath from the best 11 as McGrath's line and length is universally something Cummins doesn't offer.

And variety is something McGrath never offered. Its close, and I suppose at the end of Cummins career we will have a better picture. We are lucky enough to say we have seen them both bowl as well as Warne and Lillee.