Cricket Thread: Indian Summer

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Mostyn said:
We almost need Smith out of the slips. He seems borderline cooked
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He's dropped plenty... particularly easier ones... but don't think we have anyone else who can go in.

Perhaps swap Marnus & Smith around with Webster at 3rd?

It's a fair point though.
 

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Cromulant said:
Absolutely.

Which is why Smith went for it, right side for him and you want guys going for their catches.

But it wasn't his catch
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Smith should have had more awareness that it was easy for Khawaja.

Hopefully doesn't cost us much as not confident we will chase more than our 1st innings.
 
GreyCrow said:
Smith went for it because he had awareness Khawaja was next to him
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... which would be a massive self-own, given his own repeated failings in the slips cordon (this was his 4th drop for the match).
 
A lot of Rory Laird comments going on in this thread.

Konstas is not the problem with the Australian team, have even noticed some folk like Tom Moody (and no disrespect Tom but you underachieved) blaming Konstas for Khawaja's dismissal...that is on Uzzie, he has failed most of this series, yesterday was one in a long line of disappointment for a 38 year old man, more fussed with political statements than scoring ****ing runs.
 

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This test has shown modern cricket has a problem. Players coming in and outright disrespecting the format for cheap boundaries rather than battling it out for the good of the side. There is no doubt in my mind that both sides should have scored 300 or at least closer to it. Instead with ridiculous t20 style attack batting both sides had players just throw their wicket away.

PS, if Konstas doesnt stop throwing his bat t20 style, i think he is almost certain to find himself dropped sooner rather then later.
 
spenze said:
A lot of Rory Laird comments going on in this thread.

Konstas is not the problem with the Australian team, have even noticed some folk like Tom Moody (and no disrespect Tom but you underachieved) blaming Konstas for Khawaja's dismissal...that is on Uzzie, he has failed most of this series, yesterday was one in a long line of disappointment for a 38 year old man, more fussed with political statements than scoring ****ing runs.
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He wasnt to blame for Khawajas dismissal thats just insane.

Konstas is to blame for risking his wicket however. He is supposed to absorb and blunt the attack so Marnus, Smith and Head come in when the ball is getting on and not doing much. Marnus and Smith coming in in the overs they are at present pretty much means they may as well open as our openers are consistently failing. Konstas is finding his game and he is young. But he does need to stop throwing the bat t20 style. The sooner he is called out for it the better he will be long term.
 
adelaidecrows said:
This test has shown modern cricket has a problem. Players coming in and outright disrespecting the format for cheap boundaries rather than battling it out for the good of the side. There is no doubt in my mind that both sides should have scored 300 or at least closer to it. Instead with ridiculous t20 style attack batting both sides had players just throw their wicket away.

PS, if Konstas doesnt stop throwing his bat t20 style, i think he is almost certain to find himself dropped sooner rather then later.
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I don't think he's to blame, but there's no question what he did on the final ball on Saturday was totally unnecessary.

Love the lip he gives in the field etc, but pick your battles.

As for the 2nd point, yep no doubt. It'll be interesting to see how he handles Sri Lankan conditions. Step down in bowling class, but more difficult to bat on than much of what he's batted on here.
 
adelaidecrows said:
He wasnt to blame for Khawajas dismissal thats just insane.

Konstas is to blame for risking his wicket however. He is supposed to absorb and blunt the attack so Marnus, Smith and Head come in when the ball is getting on and not doing much. Marnus and Smith coming in in the overs they are at present pretty much means they may as well open as our openers are consistently failing. Konstas is finding his game and he is young. But he does need to stop throwing the bat t20 style. The sooner he is called out for it the better he will be long term.
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He hasn't really gotten out to the aggressive shots though. In this Test he was caught edged from an attempted drive, and in Melbourne he was lbw to Jadeja defending and bowled by Bumrah defending

It's actually his defense that he needs to improve, not his offense, based on what has happened so far
 
Scorpus said:
He hasn't really gotten out to the aggressive shots though. In this Test he was caught edged from an attempted drive, and in Melbourne he was lbw to Jadeja defending and bowled by Bumrah defending

It's actually his defense that he needs to improve, not his offense, based on what has happened so far
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I think he knows he's getting games before he's ready, and if he sits there and defends he'll get out pretty quick anyway.

Have a bash, and if you get more than 30 chasing a small target then it's a win. The problem he's got is that only Smith can really be relied upon down the other end.

If Trav comes off then sure, but it looks like they've got him under control now. And whilst Webster looked solid yesterday it would be hard to expect him to do that again
 
Scorpus said:
He hasn't really gotten out to the aggressive shots though. In this Test he was caught edged from an attempted drive, and in Melbourne he was lbw to Jadeja defending and bowled by Bumrah defending

It's actually his defense that he needs to improve, not his offense, based on what has happened so far
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Was it the correct delivery to try and drive though? Looked a lot like trying to force it. People get beaten in defense all the time. So I'm not worried about that. But what is concerning is his high risk attack. Even Warner learned to play a less attacking style over time.

I'd prefer an opening batter score 30 off 80 and get out but the next batter has better batting conditions than an opener scoring 45 of 30 and the next batter faces an almost new ball. The 3rd, 4th and 5th batters are the best batters in the team and the goal should be to absorb as many balls as possible to give them the best conditions. Sometimes batters get out by good deliveries but you don't give bowlers opportunities.

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adelaidecrows said:
Was it the correct delivery to try and drive though? Looked a lot like trying to force it. People get beaten in defense all the time. So I'm not worried about that. But what is concerning is his high risk attack. Even Warner learned to play a less attacking style over time.

I'd prefer an opening batter score 30 off 80 and get out but the next batter has better batting conditions than an opener scoring 45 of 30 and the next batter faces an almost new ball. The 3rd, 4th and 5th batters are the best batters in the team and the goal should be to absorb as many balls as possible to give them the best conditions. Sometimes batters get out by good deliveries but you don't give bowlers opportunities.

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I'd rather we play an attacking opener that might score some runs over a defensive player who flounders like Marcus Harris

If we had a player that could do both, that would be ideal, but we don't
 
Scorpus said:
I'd rather we play an attacking opener that might score some runs over a defensive player who flounders like Marcus Harris

If we had a player that could do both, that would be ideal, but we don't
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No what you want is an opener who knows their game. Honestly balls face means very little. Like it means nothing if the batter knows their game, waiting for the bad ball and to them they feel no pressure if they only score 2 runs off 50 balls, hell Hayden was the master at forcing bowlers to come to him by not attacking. Steve Waugh was another. Opening batters get themselves into trouble when they start placing pressure on themselves to score runs faster and it takes them away from their game.

Where Konstas is failing is he looks to have the intent to want to score off every ball. A new swinging red ball will undo any swash buckling attack well over 80% of the time. T20 shots get more batsman out in test matches cheaply then they do boundaries. He needs to pack it away and unless he comes out and fights for his wicket in the 2nd innings I dont think he will be opening in Sri Lanka. I think he will be dropped. Purely because he cant be trusted to protect the wickets coming in next.
 

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