D3 D3 2009

[dkerr]

Fair enough Strummer, smashed was probably an inapproraite word to have used but i was trying to emphasize the point that you guys (reserves) are 0- 4 while your seniors is 4 - 0. Must indicate something about your depth surley.

maybe it does, maybe it doesnt! or maybe your just reading into the ladder system tad early - as already mentioned the right mix for the magoos that work hard in all 4 quarters, will surely come the one's are going great guns, but by no means getting ahead of themselves, still a lot of games to go!

 

[Taskmaster]

Fair enough Strummer, smashed was probably an inapproraite word to have used but i was trying to emphasize the point that you guys (reserves) are 0- 4 while your seniors is 4 - 0. Must indicate something about your depth surley.

Not Necessarily. Have had an influx of new faces this year and alot of them are young blokes still learning the game. The 2's are very close to there first win and once that happens and there is that belief and the team starts to gel, we will be ok!!! Plus its bloody hard to crack a ones game at the moment, seeing we are 4 - 0 (Why change it when your winning??) Still a long way to go!!!!

 

[Fish 20]

There are numerous factors why Reserve teams aren't successful on a particular day.
*injuries or suspensions in the 1's: in theory the best 2's players replace them
*injuries to regular 2 players
*regular BOG performances by 2's players - in theory they're promoted & 1's players demoted don't perform. Last week against West Brunswick a player was promoted due to kicking 10 the week before. Lucky for us
*depth - due to point 1
*opposition start stacking the 2's it happens every year

Without ever playing against SFX, I can sympathise with their position at the moment. Bentleigh except '07 & '08 had a very competitive 1's side & due to depth not so strong 2's side (not saying that SFX haven't any depth). But having now played a bit of 2's footy, my opinion is that all a struggling 2's team needs is maybe 1 or 2 key position players & it improves the dynamics of the team.


You can never write off any opposition especially in the reserves. An example of this is last year, we only won 2 games for the year. In one of those games we had 4 regular senior players coming back from injury through the 2's & we ended up beating Therry Penola who were 2nd on the ladder at the time. My point is that you never know who you'll line up against. Write SFX 2's off at your own peril.

 

[Brad Goodman]

SFX are still only 2 years out of clubbies and 3 years old overall so it will take a while to build up that depth. Their top 10 or 12 are very very good players, expect a Rupo-like rise if they can keep growing their playing list.

Not sure what the make-up of their twos is like this year but they would have only had 4 or 5 guys capable of good senior footy when we played them last year, still it was enough for them to make the finals in both comps.

 

[sidewinder]

Round 5 Predictions, picks and wishes!!!!!!!!!!

Bentleigh v Power House.

Another day, another four points. Or maybe. The house play tough footy and the Demons may well be counting the bruises on Saturday night. They. and their (disconnected) hill mob may be singing the club song long into Saturday night.The house will run them hard but will be short on scores. Will "Shooter" play?

UHS VU v ELSTERNWICK
The record shows these clubs have going at it longer than Peter Andre and Jordan. The results probably favour the wicks because they are dirtier and tougher than the Old boys.
The game will be a "shoot-out" between Kirk and Hunter. The team that lets more goals in via their defensive side will loose. (Bloody obvious that one) I think the wicks were stung by last week's debacle and will come home from the zoo with the chocolates! Or will they?

West Brunswick v St Marys Salesian.

The Magpies are a hard team at home and have picked up some talent. The short message service have clocked up some good wins as befitting a D2 side but will be found wanting as most of their team will be looking at primates rather than team mates on Saturday.

St Francis Xavier v Hawthorn.
Another tough day in the office for the inner city dwellers. The Beaky Boys ( or should that the Berwick Boys) have taken all before them and will treat Muzza's boys to a catch me if you can game on Saturday. SFX by quite a few. The Reserves however might be a different case. But really, who cares. When club umpires run in finals....

StJOHNS v Monash Gryphons.
Oh dear, this is going to be another day in the revival of the Joccas. The Gryphs are going thru a rough trot at the moment and it will be a very long drive back to the relative warmth of the Gryph Inn on Saturday night. Unless Freddy can stick some heat into the boys early on Saturday!

 

[stewie40]

bentleigh 16 18 114 v powerhouse 17 13 115
uhsvu 14 11 95 v elsternwick 21 14 140
west brunswick 20 10 130 v st marys salesian 9 9 63
st francis xavier 25 13 163 v hawthorn 7 3 45
st johns 15 11 101 v monash gryphons 18 13 121

 

[SetShotSpecalist]

bentleigh 16 18 114 v powerhouse 17 13 115

Stewie, do you genuinely not like the club you play at?

 

[LG6317]

Red Gum, you able to shed some light on gibbo's injury and whether you think he will play this week.

LG

 

[ishist]

Interesting to see kellaway finally did line up for bentleigh last weekend and kicked 3 goals. I assume he played up forward then? for those at bentleigh, what position did he play? and for those at west brunswick, how did you rate him as an opponent? would love to know if he made much of an impact or did he simply bag a lazy few?

 

[LG6317]

Kellaway was ok, nothing special, Bentleigh certainly don't need him or any other ring-in. Played across backline, got some cheap kicks, always seemed to pick up the small forwards. He did take a pretty good mark over I guess one of the smaller blocks on the ground.
Was interesting the different names players were calling him, obviously the old fella hasn't been around training much.

Pretty good game, did not think score really reflected game.

One unsaviour incident involving a Bentleigh player #44, shame shame shame, you will get what is coming to you.

 

[stewie40]

Stewie, do you genuinely not like the club you play at?

**laugh** i LOVE the bentleigh football club, brother - i just believe were due for a loss & this might happen saturday.

but of course, the lads may prove me wrong yet again & win handsomely once more!!

 

[sidewinder]

Hawthorn must be missing Jason Jackomos! Where if the bloke? Has Big Dan injured himself?
What's going on at the village club?

 

[njpski]

maybe it does, maybe it doesnt! or maybe your just reading into the ladder system tad early - as already mentioned the right mix for the magoos that work hard in all 4 quarters, will surely come the one's are going great guns, but by no means getting ahead of themselves, still a lot of games to go!

Re the non-performance of a reserves team while the firsts are doing okay. Is promotion based on the ressies results? I think not.

Some clubs have been known to stack the twos so that they appear to be winners - granted a win is a win at any level but the focus should always be on the firsts.

 

[magicroach]

Kellaway was ok, nothing special, Bentleigh certainly don't need him or any other ring-in. Played across backline, got some cheap kicks, always seemed to pick up the small forwards. He did take a pretty good mark over I guess one of the smaller blocks on the ground.
Was interesting the different names players were calling him, obviously the old fella hasn't been around training much.

Pretty good game, did not think score really reflected game.

One unsaviour incident involving a Bentleigh player #44, shame shame shame, you will get what is coming to you.

Actually he hasn't missed many training sessions at all. Played CHB. Shouldn't confuse cheap kicks with smart football. He certainly knocked the wind out of a couple of WB boys going for contested footies. But you are right on one point....he did what he had to do and wasn't a stand out, in fact, I think that shows how well he slots into the team.

To be honest, I couldn't see exactly what happened on the other side of the ground with the #44 incident you mentioned but same goes for the very ordinary act by a WB player off the ball right in front of the Bentleigh coaches box. Easy to do when the player is watching the ball! Double shame with sugar on top!

 

[Fish 20]

Yeah what LG6317 said. Kellaway nothing special, I mean you see CHBs kicking goals in that position all the time in D3 football. The rest of the competition pay no attention to him, he's just an average D3 footballer really. It wasn't the "small forwards" of West Brunswicks fault that he ran all the way to the other side of the ground to get his goals through "cheap kicks."

...Give me a break, if he's nothing special, maybe it's a reflection on how sub standard the players are at West Brunswick considering it's only Kellaway's 3rd game of football, at any level, since 2006.

 

[just saying]

Hawthorn must be missing Jason Jackomos! Where if the bloke? Has Big Dan injured himself?
What's going on at the village club?

Being that I go to most games and have done for many, many years whilst Hawks were "citizens" and of course now Amateurs,and having watched several different coaches, I have a question and it is only a question, so don't go rabid on me. Would Mike Murray have won Best and fairest last year if he was playing himself in four different positions as he is doing to current players, instead of where he was best suited for most if not all games? In fact, would any of the current players who have won B and F in previous years, be up for it being played the way they are???? Frustrated Hawks Fan

 

[Taskmaster]

Being that I go to most games and have done for many, many years whilst Hawks were "citizens" and of course now Amateurs,and having watched several different coaches, I have a question and it is only a question, so don't go rabid on me. Would Mike Murray have won Best and fairest last year if he was playing himself in four different positions as he is doing to current players, instead of where he was best suited for most if not all games? In fact, would any of the current players who have won B and F in previous years, be up for it being played the way they are???? Frustrated Hawks Fan

If you are good enough to win a B&F, then in theory, you should be good enough to play in 4 different positions......

 

[Griff19]

Re the non-performance of a reserves team while the firsts are doing okay. Is promotion based on the ressies results? I think not.

Some clubs have been known to stack the twos so that they appear to be winners - granted a win is a win at any level but the focus should always be on the firsts.

Dont think anyone is really denying this! No one is really glorifying the reserves comp, just a general discussion on how the make up of a reserves tema comes about....

 

[Fish 20]

Being that I go to most games and have done for many, many years whilst Hawks were "citizens" and of course now Amateurs,and having watched several different coaches, I have a question and it is only a question, so don't go rabid on me. Would Mike Murray have won Best and fairest last year if he was playing himself in four different positions as he is doing to current players, instead of where he was best suited for most if not all games? In fact, would any of the current players who have won B and F in previous years, be up for it being played the way they are???? Frustrated Hawks Fan

Maybe you should ask Mike Murray this personally if you have this query like this, re coaching decisions, instead of asking people on a forum from other clubs couldn't care less.

 

[WhiteNikes]

Actually he hasn't missed many training sessions at all. Played CHB. Shouldn't confuse cheap kicks with smart football. He certainly knocked the wind out of a couple of WB boys going for contested footies. But you are right on one point....he did what he had to do and wasn't a stand out, in fact, I think that shows how well he slots into the team.

To be honest, I couldn't see exactly what happened on the other side of the ground with the #44 incident you mentioned but same goes for the very ordinary act by a WB player off the ball right in front of the Bentleigh coaches box. Easy to do when the player is watching the ball! Double shame with sugar on top!

Was #2 Magicroach who hit the bentleigh player behind the ball. "you'll get whats coming to you"

 

[Red Gum]

Kellaway was good.

I didn't even realise it was him to start with. He wasn't flashy (though he did take one good hanger), he wasn't show-boating, but he used space really well, read the game well, executed his skills well; all of which you would expect from a quality player at this level. I reckon he was playing within himself a bit, he didn't need to perform any heroics because his team were in the lead for the balance of the day.

He played off the back flank (I thought), kept his man quiet and ran off him for three goals from marks in the forward line. A good game, but he wasn't Bentleigh's best on the day.

 

[live it up]

Being that I go to most games and have done for many, many years whilst Hawks were "citizens" and of course now Amateurs,and having watched several different coaches, I have a question and it is only a question, so don't go rabid on me. Would Mike Murray have won Best and fairest last year if he was playing himself in four different positions as he is doing to current players, instead of where he was best suited for most if not all games? In fact, would any of the current players who have won B and F in previous years, be up for it being played the way they are???? Frustrated Hawks Fan

Think you will find his name is Mark not Mike, for someone who has watched for years and clearly seen him play last year, find it interesting you dont even know his name, how closely do you watch???

 

[Fish 20]

Was #2 Magicroach who hit the bentleigh player behind the ball. "you'll get whats coming to you"

The issue "Tit for Tat" IMO

 

[justafan]

Being that I go to most games and have done for many, many years whilst Hawks were "citizens" and of course now Amateurs,and having watched several different coaches, I have a question and it is only a question, so don't go rabid on me. Would Mike Murray have won Best and fairest last year if he was playing himself in four different positions as he is doing to current players, instead of where he was best suited for most if not all games? In fact, would any of the current players who have won B and F in previous years, be up for it being played the way they are???? Frustrated Hawks Fan

If you are so frustrated and have that much genuine concern why bring it up on this froum...when attending one of your many games why not go up to him introduce yourself and ask him....
You ask would he have won the B&F last year? From my recollection he played in about 4 or 5 different positions every game...so the answer would be "yes". I would imagine every onballer would play a couple of different roles during each game...
His name is Mark by the way....

 

[dkerr]

Re the non-performance of a reserves team while the firsts are doing okay. Is promotion based on the ressies results? I think not.

Some clubs have been known to stack the twos so that they appear to be winners - granted a win is a win at any level but the focus should always be on the firsts.

I knew that promotion is based on the firsts team perfomance! I was merely responding to a earlier theory about performance & depth in the magoos (0-4) compared to the 1s (4-0).



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