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Pretty standard situation I think. For example I'm sure there were a few 2s guys at Kew who missed out when Horne went down (taking Kew's premiership chances with him) leaving the 2s to fly the flag - surely the best 22 elgible to play lined up in the prelim.

You're not gonna believe me when I say Desmond would not have been up to senior football in ronds 15-18, but its about as true a statement as you can find. Alright in straight lines, but if a game were played tomorrow he would still struggle to change direction.
 
The early mail said:
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So you decided to play a senior player who was leading the b and f after round 10 at the expense of a reserves player who had probably played all year. That my friend is called stacking!!!

By the way you are absolutely full of s^%$. If he couldn't move as you say and had to sit in the goalsquare then how in the last 3 games of the year in the ressies did he only kick 3 goals yet got best in every game.

Must be great at giving assists :D
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Let me also mention we were seriously struggling for numbers in rounds 15/16. Desmond offered (while very very injured) to step into the breach.

Also how can anyone take the 'best' given in the VAFA record as the actual best on the day?
 
Ruck Machine said:
Let me also mention we were seriously struggling for numbers in rounds 15/16. Desmond offered (while very very injured) to step into the breach.

Also how can anyone take the 'best' given in the VAFA record as the actual best on the day?
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RM, I'm pretty sure that a guy leading the senior b and f after 10 rounds and then playing 2's footy will be the best player each week!!
 

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Abba Lonie said:
Pretty standard situation I think. For example I'm sure there were a few 2s guys at Kew who missed out when Horne went down (taking Kew's premiership chances with him) leaving the 2s to fly the flag - surely the best 22 elgible to play lined up in the prelim.

You're not gonna believe me when I say Desmond would not have been up to senior football in ronds 15-18, but its about as true a statement as you can find. Alright in straight lines, but if a game were played tomorrow he would still struggle to change direction.
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The Kew 2's were actually at their strongest when their ones were still in the comp because they could still play the guys who had played 10 senior games.

And as for this myth that losing Horne ruined Kews' season, they were already 7 goals down against SFX in the 2nd quarter when he went down. Plus he was getting an old fashioned pantsing from a player the SFX supporters were calling 'Rooster'. Couldn't be roostertalk from this very forum, could it?
 
RECORDS! said:
And as for this myth that losing Horne ruined Kews' season, they were already 7 goals down against SFX in the 2nd quarter when he went down. Plus he was getting an old fashioned pantsing from a player the SFX supporters were calling 'Rooster'. Couldn't be roostertalk from this very forum, could it?
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I'm tipping Albert Park were VERY pleased when he didn't line up the next week.

Either way the season's over so no point dwelling on any of this stuff!
 
RECORDS! said:
The Kew 2's were actually at their strongest when their ones were still in the comp because they could still play the guys who had played 10 senior games.

And as for this myth that losing Horne ruined Kews' season, they were already 7 goals down against SFX in the 2nd quarter when he went down. Plus he was getting an old fashioned pantsing from a player the SFX supporters were calling 'Rooster'. Couldn't be roostertalk from this very forum, could it?
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How many finals / grand finals & premierships have the Kew 2's been involved in the past 5 years. Will they EVER learn? I think they even won a 2's premiership the year they were relegated from D3. Guy's you need to take a good hard look at yourselves.

If you're not stacking the two's, why aren't any of these guys pushing through to play consistent senior footy?
Why aren't your best 2's players, the guys who hold the team together playing in the seniors? Too old, not interested, don't train.....

Would be hard pressed to convince me they were doing it this year with a big chance of promotion back to D3 until the seniors were knocked out. Then just played the best team available.
 
Rooster1979 said:
How many finals / grand finals & premierships have the Kew 2's been involved in the past 5 years. Will they EVER learn? I think they even won a 2's premiership the year they were relegated from D3. Guy's you need to take a good hard look at yourselves.

If you're not stacking the two's, why aren't any of these guys pushing through to play consistent senior footy?
Why aren't your best 2's players, the guys who hold the team together playing in the seniors? Too old, not interested, don't train.....

Would be hard pressed to convince me they were doing it this year with a big chance of promotion back to D3 until the seniors were knocked out. Then just played the best team available.
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I don't really understand your post mate. BTW I was not accusing Kew of stacking at all - just saying they were actually stronger when their firsts were playing as well due to the reason in the post.
 
I think they had a few playing ones that came down once the ones got knocked out, but there were also a couple of guys who were no longer eligible for the twos, so it probably balanced out.
 
RECORDS! said:
The Kew 2's were actually at their strongest when their ones were still in the comp because they could still play the guys who had played 10 senior games.

And as for this myth that losing Horne ruined Kews' season, they were already 7 goals down against SFX in the 2nd quarter when he went down. Plus he was getting an old fashioned pantsing from a player the SFX supporters were calling 'Rooster'. Couldn't be roostertalk from this very forum, could it?
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yep it is
 
if you call adding one player stacking then I think you should consult a dictionary to find out what the term means. The other 5 or 6 who came back to play in the finals were reserve players originally who had to go up because of a shortage of depth. Those same senior players helped the firsts to a 1 win 7 loss or so record. I am not meaning to disrepect them but you have to make an honest assessment and this is it. I am sure that each team in the finals probably bought back players who may have only just qualified for the magoos so were they also stacking? Why is stacking so bad in the finals when no one gives a rats if someone does during the season. Everyone talks about giving the poor magoos bloke a run in the finals but I am betting eavery side will pick the best people available
Any way we got done by over 10 goals and Kew were far too good. :D
 
sadlife said:
if you call adding one player stacking then I think you should consult a dictionary to find out what the term means. The other 5 or 6 who came back to play in the finals were reserve players originally who had to go up because of a shortage of depth. Those same senior players helped the firsts to a 1 win 7 loss or so record. I am not meaning to disrepect them but you have to make an honest assessment and this is it. I am sure that each team in the finals probably bought back players who may have only just qualified for the magoos so were they also stacking? Why is stacking so bad in the finals when no one gives a rats if someone does during the season. Everyone talks about giving the poor magoos bloke a run in the finals but I am betting eavery side will pick the best people available
Any way we got done by over 10 goals and Kew were far too good. :D
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If they are elligible you play them. Why would you not play a handy footballer instead of your 23rd choice who would struggle to get a kick? defies logic?:confused:
 
Abba Lonie said:
I think they had a few playing ones that came down once the ones got knocked out, but there were also a couple of guys who were no longer eligible for the twos, so it probably balanced out.
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Of course 2's are stonger when the seniors are out, yes you might lose the 1-2 guys who've played 15 senior games during the year who have been in the 2's during finals for who knows what reason, but you get back the 5-6 guys who had been in and out of the ones all year and had good form playing senior footy toward the end.

If not, why did they lose the 2nd semi to WB then win the grand final?

The real strength of a good 2's side is the 3-4 quality senior players who play week in week out for whatever reason in the 2's. Might be age, might be they can't train, may be all they're interested in is playing in a 2's premiership, might be to play with mates, all I'm saying is that Kew have had quite a number of these guys for the past 5 years and who have been good enough to be quality 1`s players.

Is that stacking?
 
The problem that everyone has with Box Hill North is the way they planned their stacking. And all you gimps on the forum can deny this all you like, but I have spoken to BHN players about it. Yes you did have some senior injuries through the year, but BHN were lame enough to bring those senior blokes back through the 2's and keep them there to qualify for 2's finals with 7-8 weeks left because they knew that the seniors were not gonna make the finals. These blokes were not even considered for seniors even though they were senior players. Cut the crap and just admit there was systematic stacking in place at BHN from about round 10 onwards.

And please stop trying to compare Kew, a good honest club who had 2 teams in the finals to BHN.
 

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RECORDS! said:
The problem that everyone has with Box Hill North is the way they planned their stacking. And all you gimps on the forum can deny this all you like, but I have spoken to BHN players about it. Yes you did have some senior injuries through the year, but BHN were lame enough to bring those senior blokes back through the 2's and keep them there to qualify for 2's finals with 7-8 weeks left because they knew that the seniors were not gonna make the finals. These blokes were not even considered for seniors even though they were senior players. Cut the crap and just admit there was systematic stacking in place at BHN from about round 10 onwards.

And please stop trying to compare Kew, a good honest club who had 2 teams in the finals to BHN.
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Who are these players? Please list them.
 
RECORDS! said:
And please stop trying to compare Kew, a good honest club with a strong history of success at reserves level.
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Edited for accuracy.

Not going to bother with the rest of the post, if you're going to denigrate at least throw a bit of fact in there (like I just have).
 
Rooster1979 said:
Of course 2's are stonger when the seniors are out, yes you might lose the 1-2 guys who've played 15 senior games during the year who have been in the 2's during finals for who knows what reason, but you get back the 5-6 guys who had been in and out of the ones all year and had good form playing senior footy toward the end.

If not, why did they lose the 2nd semi to WB then win the grand final?

The real strength of a good 2's side is the 3-4 quality senior players who play week in week out for whatever reason in the 2's. Might be age, might be they can't train, may be all they're interested in is playing in a 2's premiership, might be to play with mates, all I'm saying is that Kew have had quite a number of these guys for the past 5 years and who have been good enough to be quality 1`s players.

Is that stacking?
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Rooster, could you please name these players then I will tell you whether these players are quality 1's players or battlers making up the numbers!!
 
RECORDS! said:
The problem that everyone has with Box Hill North is the way they planned their stacking. And all you gimps on the forum can deny this all you like, but I have spoken to BHN players about it. Yes you did have some senior injuries through the year, but BHN were lame enough to bring those senior blokes back through the 2's and keep them there to qualify for 2's finals with 7-8 weeks left because they knew that the seniors were not gonna make the finals. These blokes were not even considered for seniors even though they were senior players. Cut the crap and just admit there was systematic stacking in place at BHN from about round 10 onwards.

And please stop trying to compare Kew, a good honest club who had 2 teams in the finals to BHN.
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Just had a look at team sheets from Rounds 10-18, appears that they were only 'stacking' in rounds 15, 16, 17 and 18.
 
Cant believe you are all still argueing about the 2's finals. Its over, who cares, get over it boys and girls.

We're a happy team at Hawthorn

Carn Hawkers!!!!!!
 
oldtimer said:
Rooster, could you please name these players then I will tell you whether these players are quality 1's players or battlers making up the numbers!!
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When was the last year that the Kew 1's out performed the 2's

Statistics would indicate it should occur 1 in every 2 years......

Wasn't 2008, wasn't 2007, wasn't 2006, don't think it was 2005 or 2004
 
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