Dallas Mavericks thread: Luka MVP

[blackcat]

Championship MVP > regular season MVP

Just like* JoshGibson's bnf's in years glenferrie rd won the flag

 

[blackcat]

Let's flipping go!

I'll readily bag Kidd when he shits the bed so I've gotta give him props for his coaching after the LAC series. He's been coaching at a high level. Great ATO plays, timely timeouts, great substitutions/rotations and has almost nailed every review decision. All that without the swiss army knife Maxi in the rotation. I've really liked how he's finally gone to Hardy and away from THJ. Really good stuff.

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[blackcat]

Not everyone needs to an all-star or a superstar, there is plenty of room for players like crowder in the NBA.
Just remember he has played one season, under a coach that normally never gives playing time to rookies.

Crowder PJTucker crucial as glue-guys in championship rosters

Presti for instance at OKC would look at early-mid veterans who spent years in Euroleague in Spain/France/Greece/italy/israel ang what these UdonisHaslem types offer clubrooms

caveat: presti may configure the Vet glueguy in teamroom in fact a crowding-out block to youth and team developing equivalent esprit-de-corps

 

[beatnik]

How is that word salad? Are you finding something hard to understand?

Generally, good players = good team. Coaches don't have nearly as much impact on results as the public would like to think, however they're almost always the one(s) that are blamed for poor results.

Kidd is so bad, he actually does impact results though. Not too difficult.

I'd say he's had one good coaching year in his whole career and I don't think it's a coincidence that Igor was there for that year.

If you think he's a good coach, power to you mate. I guess you're happy our team is in good hands.

I’ve been away for a bit and while searching for this thread I found this post…it aged like a used diaper left in the sun

Kidd has worked wonders with this group…

Edit: I like all your other takes so don’t want to sound like a jerk, just having some fun and pointing out that while Kidd has unique methods, they’ve been uniquely effective with this group

Anyway, back to our title push

 

[beatnik]

I know this is a weird post in the middle of the WCF but I have some time and am itching for tomorrow’s game…

I’m pretty sure the Mavs will trade THJ’s expiring contract in the offseason

If they trade to a luxury cap team looking to get under control, he’d be considered a positive asset

If we added a future first or maybe even 2 future firsts (we unlock a second once Knicks pick conveys) we could actually get back a starter level/high rotation player

I’ve been thinking about some options:

1. THJ and a 1st to ATL for Bogdanovic

The expiring appeals to ATL and a first for Bogdan is probably market value. If not, add a couple of seconds.

For Dallas, you get an experienced versatile scorer off the bench who can stretch the floor when paired with Luka and Kyrie but can also be the 3rd playmaker the Mavs still need until Hardy matures (or plateaus)


2. THJ and 2 x 2nds to TOR in sign and trade for Bruce Brown

Brown hasnt done much for Raptors and doesn’t really fit their timeline. Rather than lose him for nothing, they could convert him to a useful tradable expiring contract with some steak knives/2nds that could be sweeteners in a future trade.

For the Mavs, Brown is a versatile player off the bench with championship experience who can play 1-4 and be the 3rd playmaker the Mavs need.


3. THJ and a 1st to BKN for Doe Doe and DSJ

I don’t think Nets do this - it’s too much of an admission they screwed the Kyrie trade but it gives them space in a year and tradeable expiring and another pick so who knows?

Dallas get a couple of former Mavs back in the group including a crowd and Luka fave in DFS and an underrated 3rd playmaker in DSJ.


4. THJ, J Green and 2 x 1sts to NOR for Ingram

I think Pels could get a fair bit more for Ingram but if market is cold for some reason, it might be an ‘out of the blue’ fallback trade they consider.

Not fully sure I like it for the Mavs as it pushes DJJ to the bench and dilutes our defensive punch but geez…what a 3rd scoring option he’d be!


Anyway, just a few thoughts for next year…

 

[BEaston]

I’ve been away for a bit and while searching for this thread I found this post…it aged like a used diaper left in the sun

Kidd has worked wonders with this group…

Edit: I like all your other takes so don’t want to sound like a jerk, just having some fun and pointing out that while Kidd has unique methods, they’ve been uniquely effective with this group

Anyway, back to our title push

I don't think it's aged poorly when it's been 2-3 weeks of good coaching and multiple years of evidence of bad coaching. I'm still not sure how much he's being carried by Sweeney also. But let's take it at face value and say it's all on Kidd, good on him for turning things around.

I'd need to see a lot more of it before I label him a definitive good coach in this league though. Let's be real, his whole stints in MIL and BKN were trash, and he's had a lot of bad periods at Dallas also.

Very happy with how he's been going the last two series though.

 

[BEaston]

Finals here we come! 13 years since 2011, been too long!

Go Mavs.

 

[BEEG]

Love this team.

If we bring that intensity from today no team can beat us.

The script is so good for this finals match up.

 

[BEaston]

That loss is on Kidd again. Back to his usual trash.

Why is he playing THJ? Outscored by 16 in his 19 minutes today. +9 when he was on the bench.
Maxi has been horrible since coming back as well. Our early lead evaporated with them on the floor, as well as stopping our run.

Don't need to give these guys minutes. We moved away from what was successful for us in previous rounds.

Why did Kidd call a time out in the middle of our come back? We had all the momentum and he just kills it with that. Rubbish.



Anyway, moving forward the team is in a good spot. Got a very young core now around Luka with everyone roughly 25 or under apart from Kyrie. Interested to see the development of OMax/Lively/Hardy as well.

I think we need a little more shooting (without sacrificing defence) and probably a 3rd ball handler.

 

[BEEG]

Luka is incredible as we know.

He has let the team down defensively this series, hopefully he learns from this.

 

[Sainter93]

I’ve always thought that we are missing one more piece to be able to win a championship. It’s amazing that we have gotten this far really.

THJ, Green and Exum are pieces I think we can afford to let go. Get some 3 & D players and we will be good. The amount of wide open 3’s we have missed this series is criminal.

 

[Cyber_punk]

I’ve always thought that we are missing one more piece to be able to win a championship. It’s amazing that we have gotten this far really.

THJ, Green and Exum are pieces I think we can afford to let go. Get some 3 & D players and we will be good. The amount of wide open 3’s we have missed this series is criminal.

Agreed we need one more big star but who?

I'm not too upset at this result for the same reasons, team has gone well beyond what I thought they could after missing the playoffs last year as well as the Celtcs being head and shoulder's above everyone.

 

[BEaston]

Nico also said the roster wasn't ready to compete yet so they're ahead of the front office expectations also.

 

[BEaston]

Agreed we need one more big star but who?

I'm not too upset at this result for the same reasons, team has gone well beyond what I thought they could after missing the playoffs last year as well as the Celtcs being head and shoulder's above everyone.

Don't think we need a star necessarily. Just someone that can shoot and defend. Ideally replace DJJ whose shooting is variable. Someone like Herb Jones. I don't think we have enough pieces to get another star.

I think Hardy could develop into the 3rd ball handler.

 

[BEEG]

I’ve always thought that we are missing one more piece to be able to win a championship. It’s amazing that we have gotten this far really.

THJ, Green and Exum are pieces I think we can afford to let go. Get some 3 & D players and we will be good. The amount of wide open 3’s we have missed this series is criminal.

Yep throw in Powell aswell.

THJ contract is about 18 mill a year.

Need that off the books.

Need a player who can play 2nd fiddle to Luka or Kyrie and be another scoring option.

3 point shooter would be a nice inclusion aswell.

 

[Chadwiko]

Agreed we need one more big star but who?

I'm not too upset at this result for the same reasons, team has gone well beyond what I thought they could after missing the playoffs last year as well as the Celtcs being head and shoulder's above everyone.

In my humble opinion as a fan of the Celtics going up against you; you're missing a really good big who can shoot and play good defense.

Think your Porzingis, KAT, Chet Holmgren types.

 

[Cyber_punk]

In my humble opinion as a fan of the Celtics going up against you; you're missing a really good big who can shoot and play good defense.

Think your Porzingis, KAT, Chet Holmgren types.

Yeah Anthony Davis has come to mind a lot for me but no way that happens.

 

[beatnik]

we need to trade THJ’s expiring contract and 2 x future 1sts to Atlanta for Bogdanovic….gives us an elite shooter AND a third creator

 

[beatnik]

Second choice might be a sign and trade for Bruce Brown and have him forgo his player option for a 2 or 3 year x $15m

 

[Chadwiko]

Sabonis is the player I'd most be trying to get if I was Dallas.

 

[BEaston]

Sabonis is the player I'd most be trying to get if I was Dallas.

We need defense and athleticism around Luka and Kyrie, to counter their weaknesses. Gafford and Lively are the exact type of big we need on both ends. Athletic rim protectors on D, and rim runners on O.
An offensively minded, play-making big doesn't really fit. Luka will run the offense so Sabonis' biggest strength is wasted. We could go for a big like Sabonis if Luka was paired with a defensive guard like Jrue (who I've wanted badly in the past - such a good player), but we have Kyrie so need to fit around that.

The current construction is perfect (Nico figured it out a lot quicker than Donnie ever could), just need to upgrade in quality in the same types of players. The biggest weakness in the starting 5 is DJJ because his shooting is hit or miss. If we could find a more consistent shooter with the same level of defensive prowess that would be perfect. But even if we can't, re-signing DJJ would be ok and we can try upgrade the bench and get more development/improvement out of our young players (Green, Hardy, Omax)

In that case, the priorities for the bench are a 3rd ball handler (upgrade on Exum) and a 6th man type scorer (could be someone from another team, or Hardy may develop more). As raised above, Bogdanovic could fill both these roles if we could manage to snag him - that would be perfect.

 

[brutus76]

Bad luck Mavs

Excellent season - sadly having to front up to the best team in the comp

You can't help but love Luka - plays his heart out

Maybe need a young PF who can score easy buckets and shoot 3's and not have to rely on Luka and Kyrie taking 45-50 shots a night

Jalen Smith (Pacers) maybe?

 

[Chadwiko]

gg Mavs. Thanks for being tough opponents. You're a great team.

 

[BEaston]

Bad luck Mavs

Excellent season - sadly having to front up to the best team in the comp

You can't help but love Luka - plays his heart out

Maybe need a young PF who can score easy buckets and shoot 3's and not have to rely on Luke and Kyrie taking 45-50 shots a night

Jalen Smith (Pacers) maybe?

Yeah he's an absolute beast but one thing Luka needs to learn is how much the rest of the team follow/copy his energy and effort. If he's not going 100%, the rest of the team don't. It's a bit of an unfair burden but it's just how it is. Dirk was a master of this - even if things weren't going well for him personally, he would always be giving 100%, supporting his team mates, making sure they're still playing at the required level.

Whether it was the injuries he carried through the playoffs, or a general fitness thing after a long season, or just being cooked after carrying the team on his back against 2 really good opponents in previous rounds. Whatever the reason, he just couldn't muster that energy for 4 of the 5 games in the series.

Obviously Celts play a big part in this as well - amazing team and even if Mavs played their best all games it still might not have been enough against this team. They are really strong across the board.

Looking forward to the off season and seeing what moves they make, but we're in a much better position than at any other time of Luka's career.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Need a catch and shoot 3 pointer over a guy like Bruce Brown. Bogdan probably best bet and someome I think Atlanta will be happy to deal