Daniel Hannebery - ball butcher

[caboose]

Couldn't believe the hype surrounding this guy last year when he was awarded the Rising Star (admittedly by default, because of the ludicrous disqualification of Dustin Martin).

And this season is only reinforcing it for me.

Is it just me, or is this guy a very overrated user of the ball? All I keep seeing from him are kicks put to very poor position for the Swans.

So what gives, and why is he so highly rated for someone whose disposal is, let's face it, poor?

 

[bzparkes]

Well Palmer won the award a few years ago too and he's probably much worse than Hannebery.

 

[TonyT]

Thought he played well today. Set up a few scoring shots in a horrible team effort. He normally shows heart when we are getting dominated which I would take over kicking efficiency any day. You won't necessarily find stats on that.

Traditionally has been better by hand than by foot. Ignorance would allow you to turn a blind eye to the number of times he extracts the ball out of a pack.

Regardless, this is a troll thread and if you want to start a thread about every player with a low kicking efficiency % then you might look in your own back yard too.

 

[Arbuckle]

Totally agree with the OP.

Hanneberry would be the worst (and least promising) of all the Rising Star winners so far. (At least Palmer was excellent in the year he won, and been injured for most of the time since.)

That's not to say he is a terrible player; just that he is not really in that kind of elite category imo.

He is a goer and tough battler but a star? No, certainly not. The OP is also right on his kicking. It's not to advantage most of the time - it goes to the opposition or requires a super effort from the Swans player closest to it.

 

[roosaints]

Well Palmer won the award a few years ago too and he's probably much worse than Hannebery.

Correct. The problem is the idiots who vote on these awards look at statistics.

Guys like Palmer and Hannebery get alot of the ball. In a young player, they see the stats and think they're a star, overlooking the skills errors. As they get older, the errors are no longer overlooked and the stats become meaningless.

 

[Father Jack]

the Rising Star seems to be more or less a Brownlow for rookies, when I reckon there should be a bit of speculation as to which player is the most promising and will have the better career. Especially key position. This is the sort of thing I don't believe is happening atm. Go through the Rising Stars and maybe the top contenders for the year and see how accurate it has been.

 

[caboose]

Regardless, this is a troll thread and if you want to start a thread about every player with a low kicking efficiency % then you might look in your own back yard too.

Ah, well done. The old BF code of 'I can't win a debate on the merits of the argument at hand, so I'll just take some childish potshot at the OP's club that has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever'.

I suggest, from your response, that you know I'm right deep down - but don't want to admit it publicly.

Oh, and in case you think your stupid point about Essendon was actually worth something ... I suggest you head to the Essendon board and read my lengthy criticisms of Lonergan (and Stanton) today on exactly the same grounds. Then, once you do that, you might want to apologise.

 

[AG]

Has been quiet this year (better today) but don't act like he was undeserving last year. Martin being suspended helped but how does his form this year not warrant him winning last year? Was fantastic last year.

In regards to his disposal he is obviously no Goddard but it's not an issue at all. Just watch some his performances from last year to see what he is capable of.

 

[grokq]

Totally agree with the OP.

Hanneberry would be the worst (and least promising) of all the Rising Star winners so far. (At least Palmer was excellent in the year he won, and been injured for most of the time since.)

That's not to say he is a terrible player; just that he is not really in that kind of elite category imo.

He is a goer and tough battler but a star? No, certainly not. The OP is also right on his kicking. It's not to advantage most of the time - it goes to the opposition or requires a super effort from the Swans player closest to it.

I recall another swans player a few years ago that was rated for his grunt work but was marked down for poor disposal. That was Paul Kelly. He improved his decision-making and disposal with a few seasons under his belt. Being able to get the pill - your own pill - is something good footballers can do. Wait and see - I think he'll be elite.

 

[The Casey Cat]

This is much the same sort of criticism I have seen thrown at guys like Jobe Watson and even Dane Swan in the past. You want a real ball butcher look at freaking Rhys Shaw.

I thought he was ok today and was at least trying to give his side something. Unlike McVeigh, Bolton and some others. I overrated Sydney. Thought they were a great top 4 chance. Lock for top 6. What a stupid, gutless, pathetic and hopeless football team.

 

[legend166]

Rubbish thread. Was one of our midfielders doing anything today. Might have turned it over a bit going forward but that's what happens when you have zero leading forwards.

 

[Arbuckle]

I recall another swans player a few years ago that was rated for his grunt work but was marked down for poor disposal. That was Paul Kelly. He improved his decision-making and disposal with a few seasons under his belt. Being able to get the pill - your own pill - is something good footballers can do. Wait and see - I think he'll be elite.

They're good points.

Sure, he might turn out to be excellent. Who knows?

But I'm marking him on what he has shown until this stage of his career. That hasn't matched up to his reputation (especially in the media) so far as I'm concerned.

 

[Arbuckle]

You want a real ball butcher look at freaking Rhys Shaw.

I thought he was ok today and was at least trying to give his side something. Unlike McVeigh, Bolton and some others. I overrated Sydney. Thought they were a great top 4 chance. Lock for top 6. What a stupid, gutless, pathetic and hopeless football team.

Yeah, fair call.

Add in O'Keefe today, too.

 

[Arbuckle]

Rubbish thread. Was one of our midfielders doing anything today. Might have turned it over a bit going forward but that's what happens when you have zero leading forwards.

You might want to read the thread again?

It's about his whole career so far, not just today's game.

 

[Riders of Rohan]

Might want to gloss over his 3 BOG's for 9 brownlow votes last year.

 

[legend166]

You might want to read the thread again?

It's about his whole career so far, not just today's game.

I guarantee I've watched Dan Hannebery play more football than the OP (i.e. every single game he's played in the AFL). He's not an elite kicker of the ball, but he does his job well. Deserved the Rising Star last year. Others may have had someone else ahead, but he was easily in the top 3.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Yeah, fair call.

Add in O'Keefe today, too.

Yep for sure. In fact I reckon O'Keefe butchered it worse and often under less pressure. Consistently gave his forwards and team mates no chance with pathetic kicks. Needs to stop kicking across his body when he doesn't need to and just straighten up.

 

[giantsully]

This is much the same sort of criticism I have seen thrown at guys like Jobe Watson and even Dane Swan in the past. You want a real ball butcher look at freaking Rhys Shaw.

I thought he was ok today and was at least trying to give his side something. Unlike McVeigh, Bolton and some others. I overrated Sydney. Thought they were a great top 4 chance. Lock for top 6. What a stupid, gutless, pathetic and hopeless football team.

Wish I could get violently uptight about this post - but it pretty much sums up what I said after the game. Nowhere near good enough.

Dan is a super young player who needs to improve his disposal - one of the very few who doesn't deserve criticism from today.

 

[alison_z]

Can't understand the point of this thread - What young player with under 50 games experience doesn't have some flaws? Hannebery's greatest strength is that he constantly strives to improve and today he was one of the best out there and one of the only decent Swans players.

His ability to win the ball is exceptional and a few times (especially his handballs) he misses targets because he is too quick for them - He is a good player already and he will be a star in the not too distant future.

 

[BIGBEZ]

Couldn't believe the hype surrounding this guy last year when he was awarded the Rising Star (admittedly by default, because of the ludicrous disqualification of Dustin Martin).

And this season is only reinforcing it for me.

Is it just me, or is this guy a very overrated user of the ball? All I keep seeing from him are kicks put to very poor position for the Swans.

So what gives, and why is he so highly rated for someone whose disposal is, let's face it, poor?

Are you for real?? This thread shows how little you know about football unless youre just being a dick head troll? He was one of our best today on a day with not many highlights, if you want to talk about butchering the ball watch the replay of Ess v Tiges, the butchering cost you the game.. Hannebery was deserving of his rising star last year but it will always be debatable such is the nature of the award, you need to get a clue ya blonk.

I cant believe youd pick Hannebery out of all the players this round to start a thread about, I really dont get it??

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Are you for real?? This thread shows how little you know about football unless youre just being a dick head troll? He was one of our best today on a day with not many highlights, if you want to talk about butchering the ball watch the replay of Ess v Tiges, the butchering cost you the game.. Hannebery was deserving of his rising star last year but it will always be debatable such is the nature of the award, you need to get a clue ya blonk.

I cant believe youd pick Hannebery out of all the players this round to start a thread about, I really dont get it??

I don't want to knock Hannebery or the swans but if it wasn't for a ridiculous reprimand, I think most people would agree in saying that Martin was probably the deserved winner.

At the end of the day - both are good young players with great futures ahead of them and that's all that matters.

 

[Dangas]

You might want to read the thread again?

It's about his whole career so far, not just today's game.

Umpires give BOG's to ball butchers? So Judd is a ball butcher? He had more than a couple great games last season where he polled Brownlow votes, OP is basing what he saw today, why wasn't the thread created last week when we had Swans leading well and positioning themselves...?

 

[Dangas]

Can't understand the point of this thread - What young player with under 50 games experience doesn't have some flaws? Hannebery's greatest strength is that he constantly strives to improve and today he was one of the best out there and one of the only decent Swans players.

His ability to win the ball is exceptional and a few times (especially his handballs) he misses targets because he is too quick for them - He is a good player already and he will be a star in the not too distant future.

this ... to all you peanuts

 

[BIGBEZ]

I don't want to knock Hannebery or the swans but if it wasn't for a ridiculous reprimand, I think most people would agree in saying that Martin was probably the deserved winner.

At the end of the day - both are good young players with great futures ahead of them and that's all that matters.

Im not gonna argue with that Martins a gun and its a fair call, but Hanners deserved the award and the OP is a fool

 

[Balony_pony16]

funny thing is that a eagles supporter started this thread...probably still a bit dirty that Nicnat didnt walk it in for the award when he had his chance...but last time I check Nannebury can actually kick a ball...NicNat is still near top of the pile for AFL ball Hacks!!!