Demetriou slams Paul Roos ( unfairly )

[criticize]

in my junior football team there was one punch up which got the opposition coach out of his chair and onto the field,

my teams coach and players and umpire told him to get the f off the field- and it was not really a big deal.

think having the coaches on the ground could def settle things down and be a good thing.

parents on the field- no way-!!

 

[fabulousphil]

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2011/s3221558.htm?site=brisbane

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/04/08/3186610.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/01/05/2785550.htm


Even helmuts dont stop brain injury .
So the head is being hit during training and the matches and the AFL must do something to protect the head.
Starting with the kids.

http://www.brainline.org/landing_pages/categories/abouttbi.html?gclid=CM3Jr-K9gqkCFcSBpAodB3UwSA


http://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/factsheets.cfm?tabnav=b

What is the answer then ?.

 

[MightyTiger]

Didn't Roos say on On The Couch that his son was the Trainer?

 

[grogan]

So you leave an injured player there who was felled illegally and needed urgent attention ?

U ever coached ?

I coached and have done exactly what Roos did.( and never got into trouble for it )

Kids are learning the game .Thugs are not needed .

In Notting Hill under 10's I had a coach who came on the field to help my felled teammate. He also gave the perp a few choice words , this guys father didn,t like that and let this be known by wacking the coach and so on and so on. Soon there were about 40 - 50 men pounding into each other . One of the scariest things i,ve ever been in the middle of!!

 

[Motown]

Didn't Roos say on On The Couch that his son was the Trainer?

I thought he said runner.

I have a hard time believing an U16 game took place without qualified trainers. If that happened, that's the story, not Roos' ignorance of the coaching basics.

At any rate, when I coached juniors, it was well understood by every coach that they weren't allowed on the field of play. That's what runners and trainers are for.

 

[watermelonslice]

Didn't Roos say on On The Couch that his son was the Trainer?

I think he said his son was the runner and they had no medical personnel.

 

[mattys123]

Demetriou is speaking from an AFL perspective, and what he said is 100% correct from an AFL and game development view.

But Roos wasn't entirely wrong in doing what he did, although you can see how in some situations doing what Roos did could cause further problems.

Isn't the bigger issue here player thuggery and incidents of extreme non football like violence during junior football games.

This part worried me more;

Mr Harty said he also wanted helmets made compulsory for Auskick participants after his son Reegan, 11, was flattened twice at a weekend match and later taken to hospital with swelling on the brain.

An 11 year old gets thumped twice in one match, surely incidents like this need to be investigated, and the perpetrator made a public example of with a lengthy sentence, there should be no tolerance for violence on a football field, in any code, at any age level.

 

[Maddhew]

I thought he said runner.

I have a hard time believing an U16 game took place without qualified trainers. If that happened, that's the story, not Roos' ignorance of the coaching basics.

At any rate, when I coached juniors, it was well understood by every coach that they weren't allowed on the field of play. That's what runners and trainers are for.

really? what is a qualified trainer anyway? When i was growing up, it was always a dad or older brother.

 

[BIGBEZ]

The kid that allegedly felled Roos player should have known better and why was the alleged attacker STILL ON the FIELD ?
His coach should have got him off .

Thats the thing, they went to huddles and Roos asked the opposition team who did it and to the young kids credit he owned up, Roos was explaining/encouraging to the kid where he went wrong in a buddhist kinda way(ok I added that bit but he was calm) and then the runner(an 18yr old snotty nosed rat) from their team ran over and started with the abuse and laying down the law about Roos running on the ground, the young bloke should have just shut the **** up it was under control but he wanted to be a hero, it got heated from there.

 

[djrossie16]

I support Roos actions 100 percent. All he used were words who gives a ****. It's not like he grabbed the kid.

 

[BIGBEZ]

just to clarify one thing for some here, the heated exchange was between Roos and the wannabe hero runner, not the kid that sniped his player...He didnt run on to square up or anything he was worried about a kid that was not moving.

 

[pies_this_year]

So you leave an injured player there who was felled illegally and needed urgent attention ?

U ever coached ?

I coached and have done exactly what Roos did.( and never got into trouble for it )

Kids are learning the game .Thugs are not needed .

I hope you constructed your half time addresses better than your posts.

 

[Motown]

really? what is a qualified trainer anyway? When i was growing up, it was always a dad or older brother.

Somebody with first aid training. They're mandatory in the BFL when I coached a few years ago. In this litigious environment, I'd be astounded if they weren't mandatory in all leagues; they'd be uninsurable.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

I don't agree with what Roo's did, very risky, the mix of 14-16 year olds & parents can be dangerous. I've seen it before, it only takes a hand placed on the shoulder of the wrong child and the meat head parents come storming in.

I'd be alarmed if Demetriou condoned what Roos did. Roos is quoted as saying:

"I ran out on to the ground and so did Darcy's dad and a few others."

Unless he was doubling as team runner and medico, his actions send the wrong message. End of story

Precisely, see it happen all the time - where a tap on the back or a slight shove leads to chaos. And that's without adults feeling the right to take the field.

Roos set the wrong example for the rest of the footballing community - the umpires are trained in what to do in such situations.

If Roos was as concerned about his players well being before the match I reckon he would've nominated a (qualified) trainer to administer first aid.

I wonder if the other team knew they had no trainer - It would've been the first thing to happen before you send your kids out on the field.

Motown, this 'environment' is nowhere near "litigious"... Calm down.

 

[The Speaker]

Truly, this is a massive issue.

 

[BIGBEZ]

I wonder if the other team knew they had no trainer - It would've been the first thing to happen before you send your kids out on the field.
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Dont know how much footy youve been around or how many local games youve been to and Im not having a crack at you, but very rarely in most comps are trainers anything more than a volunteer to run water and pass out the grippo etc, (or a second runner) usually done for a pie and a can of coke... in this case it was a 16yr old kid who knew nothing of first aid and its very normal even in senior comps.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Dont know how much footy youve been around or how many local games youve been to and Im not having a crack at you, but very rarely in most comps are trainers anything more than a volunteer to run water and pass out the grippo etc, (or a second runner) usually done for a pie and a can of coke... in this case it was a 16yr old kid who knew nothing of first aid and its very normal even in senior comps.

I'd dispute your claim insofar as I've rarely if ever seen a match played without a medico of some sort present.

At least in terms of what I've experienced over a good decade or so in Metro Melbourne...

 

[BIGBEZ]

I'd dispute your claim insofar as I've rarely if ever seen a match played without a medico of some sort present.

At least in terms of what I've experienced over a good decade or so in Metro Melbourne...

youve never been to a junior match, 10 am on a freezing sunday morning it can even be hard get a bloody goal umpire.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

youve never been to a junior match, 10 am on a freezing sunday morning it can even be hard get a bloody goal umpire.

From the Juniors I've seen/played at North Kew and Kew, Beverly Hills and Doncaster, there has always, more or less, been someone with the white arm band on.

One of these clubs hire coaches on the acknowledgement that the coach supplies the first-aid qualified trainer for the season.

 

[A Living God]

Dont know how much footy youve been around or how many local games youve been to and Im not having a crack at you, but very rarely in most comps are trainers anything more than a volunteer to run water and pass out the grippo etc, (or a second runner) usually done for a pie and a can of coke... in this case it was a 16yr old kid who knew nothing of first aid and its very normal even in senior comps.

Many leagues require that all teams must have at least one trainer with basic first aid training.

 

[BIGBEZ]

From the Juniors I've seen/played at North Kew and Kew, Beverly Hills and Doncaster, there has always, more or less, been someone with the white arm band on.

they usually are volunteers with no experience, alot of clubs struggle to get someone at all especially at the junior level

 

[BIGBEZ]

Many leagues require that all teams must have at least one trainer with basic first aid training.

it doesnt always work like that though

 

[ziad]

Vlad is rarely correct but on this one he is spot on

Roos is an angry spiteful parent at junior games - from my observations over 7-8 years

Such emotional parents on the field lead to only one outcome

Sydney junior footy is quite tame - only a few parents create problems as elsewhere

 

[Motown]

Motown, this 'environment' is nowhere near "litigious"... Calm down.

I expressed myself poorly. I speak of the duty of care each club and coach has for the players. As a coach with no medical training, I was one of those directly responsible for the wellbeing of the kids. There was no way I, as a volunteer, was going to put myself in a position where I'm going have to make a call on a medical issue ever, for someone else's child. If there weren't medical people there, I'd refuse to play the game as there's no way I'd expose myself to the risk.

 

[grimlock]

Vlad is rarely correct but on this one he is spot on

Roos is an angry spiteful parent at junior games - from my observations over 7-8 years

Such emotional parents on the field lead to only one outcome

Sydney junior footy is quite tame - only a few parents create problems as elsewhere

Right, so a coach who has been recognised as one of the calmest at AFL level can't hack the pressure at U16 level and has to lash out with anger and spite? Sure, it makes perfect sense!