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Aug 18, 2001
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Carlton coach Denis Pagan has said he is unconcerned at some recent criticism of his coaching methods coming from his former club and has wished the Kangaroos nothing but the best for the season ahead.

Pagan ended a 30 year association as player, under 19 coach and senior coach with the Kangaroos at the end of 2002 to take over as coach of Carlton after the Blues had slumped to last place for the first time in their history.

But despite leading the Kangaroos to two premierships, three grand finals and nine finals appearances during his ten years as senior coach – there has been some criticism of his methods since Dean Laidley took over as coach this year.

Recently young Kangaroos defender David Teague said the atmosphere was more relaxed since Laidley had taken over as coach from Pagan, adding that young players such as himself were now give more leeway if they made an error.


“You know that you are going to get a chance (even) if you do stuff up,” Teague said of Laidley’s approach compared to Pagan’s following the club’s first round win in the Wzard Cup.

“Dean gave us the confidence to go out and have a go at things. If you do make a mistake you will stay on for a bit longer. With Denis, especially being a young player, you would get your five minutes and you really had to make the most of it.”

Teague added that previously young players had been “worried about the little bloke in yellow (the runner) coming out to drag you (off the ground),” he said.

However Pagan said he looked back on his time with the Kangaroos with great fondness.

“I was there for 30 years. I had a terrific time,” he told afl.com.au on Tuesday.

“The Kangaroos were good for me and hopefully I was good for them. They are going in a new direction now and I wish them all the best.”

Pagan added he was unconcerned when asked to respond to Teague’s comments.

“I have got enough worries here at Carlton to be able to worry about what a few say at the Kangaroos,” he said.






that's exactly what we wanted to hear all along. i hope that we can put it behind us. denis has been good for us and north melbourne have been good for denis. i hope we remember him for the glory days and not the ending ... in much the same way that we will look at our former favourites players who were amazing in their heyday and even though they lost some of their sparkle at the end of their careers we still remember them with fondness.

all the best denis and thanks for the ride. you will be missed.
 
Just a rumour that I have heard - Denis was not so happy about the recent comments to the media re: his coaching style and has rung Geoff Walsh and told him what he thought in no uncertain terms. Not happy Jan!!!
 
Just remember that Denis Pagan has coached Nth Melbourne sides to a large number of U19, reserves and senior premierships.

He is also our coach of the century.

Whether or not we are happy with the way he left or his coaching (notice simmo said that he appreciated the way Denis taught the team to be tough) he does deserve respect, especially from junior AFL players.
 

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Originally posted by kmartkid
Just remember that Denis Pagan has coached Nth Melbourne sides to a large number of U19, reserves and senior premierships.

He is also our coach of the century.

Whether or not we are happy with the way he left or his coaching (notice simmo said that he appreciated the way Denis taught the team to be tough) he does deserve respect, especially from junior AFL players.

Kmartkid,

I think you are associated with North in some other capacity and so I can see where you might be trying to come from, but you earn respect.

I respected Denis and what he did for the club and I was a suppoter of Deni$ after he left the club, BUT when he started to BAG my team and IGNORE my team and make S0WEEPING statements about how "loyal Carlton players are" and how he "not seen anything like that before", he totally lost me.

He forgets, totally forgets, that North was a powerhouse in the 70s, due to people who would shed royal blue and white blood and remain loyal to the club.

He walked and then whinged. Very bad form. Let him eat cake.
 
With all due respects Michelle, the guy has walked into a sinking ship, do yu expect him to say anything different to what he has said. Think you need to be a bit more thick skinned than that, the guy has the task ahead of him.

Let's just ignore his stupid comments, focus on the positives of the kids coming through and enjoy it all unfold. There is too much attention paid to Pagan's comments for my liking.

Wrath
 
Diff players are more receptive to certain coaching methods, but reagardless of views on Deni$'s coaching style, his record speaks for itself.
 
Originally posted by Wrath
With all due respects Michelle, the guy has walked into a sinking ship, do yu expect him to say anything different to what he has said. Think you need to be a bit more thick skinned than that, the guy has the task ahead of him.

Let's just ignore his stupid comments, focus on the positives of the kids coming through and enjoy it all unfold. There is too much attention paid to Pagan's comments for my liking.

Wrath

With all due respect Wrath, my comments I made and my thoughts were formulated after Deni$ left North and before the "storm" hit Carlton.

In fact, I was dumbfounded when he heaped praise on Matty Allan for not walking out on the club and for "putting the club first and agreeing to take a pay cut. That hasn't happened before".

What? Does he suffer form amnesia? Or did he just 'overlook' our players, taking pay cuts nearly every year?

And it is not so much that he left the club, it was they way he went about it and the aftermath.
Barassi still loves North and is not ashamed to say so.

I can't rememer exactly what he said in the first few weeks at Carlton, but Shinners quoted him and it was just mystifying. For a coach who was offered the job for life by Ron Casey, he certainly turned on North.

Did you forget all his overtures to some of our young players? He delisted Mighty Mick at the end 2001, then eventually picked him up. And one year further on, he picks Mick - a North legend -in the Carlton draft, a player he didn't want on North's list. :eek: :confused:

I think he really believed his publicity. And he came back to earth with a giant thud. Carlton was not the 'dream' he thought it was. It was a mirage.
 
Have to agree...

He hit the ground with an almighty one... Doesn't mean he wasn't good for us, but also doesn't mean he didn't bail on us... Denis was onto a good thing here and never realised... If he had of stayed here he would have had himself set for life.. That's all fine and good... I'm actually happy with the way things are now...
Hope he has fun, but he has to realise that he gave up the chance to become an absolute legend around the NMFC. An honour that I rate pretty damn highly...
 
Yes Pagan was Good for the Club and his record does speak for it self,BUT what was wrong with him not to have a press conference with Aylett and Co and express his feelings towards the club he spent 30 yrs at ( not counting 92 when he was coach at the bummers ressies) and which he said he loved?
NO,the first we see of him 3 days after our finals loss is in a Carlton tracksuit top praising his new club and how good they are and reminicsing of Nichols and of him sitting in the grandstand as a child.
Terry Wallace copped a lot of flack when he left the Dogs but I wish our ex coach had done it in the same dignified way cause I think we would look at him in a diferent way.
Anyway that is the past and I couldnt be happier with the direction our club is heading now.(and money bags Deni$$$$ GOT WHAT HE DESERVES)
 
People

Why is it so hard for some to understand that those who shift clubs for whatever reason are going to verbally support their new club? They are there to give 110%, whatever the club, whatever the circumstances. In no way does it devalue or destroy what they achieved at their old clubs.

Denis Pagan is a magnificent coach, who held our club together through some hellish periods. Obviously, his departure has caused some acrimony and upset, but let us move on and look forward to a new era. However, this does not mean we have to turn on those who are no longer at the club. Especially those who gave us such great service, as did Denis Pagan.

There are always circumstances that are never revealed to the punters. Be very careful when judging. End of sermon.

Tone, if your reading this, do some work.
 
Originally posted by Michele
I respected Denis and what he did for the club and I was a suppoter of Deni$ after he left the club, BUT when he started to BAG my team and IGNORE my team and make S0WEEPING statements about how "loyal Carlton players are" and how he "not seen anything like that before", he totally lost me.

He forgets, totally forgets, that North was a powerhouse in the 70s, due to people who would shed royal blue and white blood and remain loyal to the club.

He walked and then whinged. Very bad form. Let him eat cake.

When did our former coach bag North Melbourne? If anything, it's been North Melbourne people who have been taking sly shots at him in the media (JYD's comments about giving the kids a go, Teague's interview from last week).

The only reason why I'm annoyed with his was that he couldn't bring himself to say "North Melbourne" in a press conference/interview.

As for his sweeping statements, it's true enough, but in the way of a backhanded compliment, it's a recognition that he's trying to instill a North Melbourne attitude with his new club. But as Carlos pointed out when he was making these statements, it makes you wonder if he really believed it when he was at Arden Street (after all, we hung our hats on the "Shinboner spirit" that he used to talk about in every second press conference).

He was a bloody good coach for us - no amount of re-writing history will ever change that fact.
 
Originally posted by Archie
People

Why is it so hard for some to understand that those who shift clubs for whatever reason are going to verbally support their new club? They are there to give 110%, whatever the club, whatever the circumstances. In no way does it devalue or destroy what they achieved at their old clubs.

Denis Pagan is a magnificent coach, who held our club together through some hellish periods. Obviously, his departure has caused some acrimony and upset, but let us move on and look forward to a new era. However, this does not mean we have to turn on those who are no longer at the club. Especially those who gave us such great service, as did Denis Pagan.

There are always circumstances that are never revealed to the punters. Be very careful when judging. End of sermon.


Very well put...!!!

Stewart
 

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stuff pagan. Up until his depature, he made us feel as if we had a special relationship with our coach. By his words he made us feel as if we had a coach that was much about the club as he was the players. I think you can assume Malthouse's emotions after the GF were more about the players, and not necessarliy the club.
By his words - shinboner spirit etc etc - Denis made us feel a bit different - a bit special - compared to other clubs. You got the impression he loved the club as much as we did. How wrng could we be?
since moving to his present club - as opposed to his 'former club' - you get the impression he wanted to be there the whole time.
It was great while it lasted but he can get stuffed as far as I'm concerened.
 
still believe the great legend barassi should of been coach of the century but i will not forget what denni$$ did for us also, unfortunately for him he has landed in a mindfield at carlton, and for the roos the coaching change is as good as a holiday,
 
Moments like these......

Originally posted by Kangamarshy
you get the impression he wanted to be there the whole time.
It was great while it lasted but he can get stuffed as far as I'm concerened.

It's times like these you need minties.....:D Just like Carey I suppose eh Kangamarshy......in three years time they'll ALL be back singing JOIN IN THE CHORUS (10th anniversay of our '96 flag)

I still agree with most here...Deni$ is a hardened professional who can't afford to side-step in his interviews...I felt the same as anyone else at the time...three days after our finals exit he's in BED with some other team...OUTRAGEOUS DENI$...Totally OUTRAGEOUS you hear..... but a bloody good man for the NMFC.

How much do pimps earn these days???? :D
 

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