There was a last quarter incident where Griffen was tackled, swung around and then he handballed - the free kick was paid against him. So I see the Foley free as one back for the good guys. 
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There was a last quarter incident where Griffen was tackled, swung around and then he handballed - the free kick was paid against him. So I see the Foley free as one back for the good guys.
Yeah that's called prior opportunity, if my memory serves me correctly he had prior opportunity to get rid of it and under the rules you need to dispose of it IMMEDIATELY. He didnt, as you say, he got swung around and took him a while to get rid of it, therefore gawwwwwwn.
Holding the ball.
Foley got rid of it immediately.
What a great pack mark, you don't see that much any more
To bad he stuffed his back and he is going for scans next week.
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What a great pack mark, you don't see that much any more
To bad he stuffed his back and he is going for scans next week.
Yeah you dont see many pansies to scared to take a kick after a screamer
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What a great pack mark, you don't see that much any more
To bad he stuffed his back and he is going for scans next week.
For a guy who stuffed his back, and you're talking to a guy who had to stop playing football because of back spasms, when you get them you cant walk properly and the side the back spasm is on collapses that side of the body before it stops and you can straighten up again until you wait for the next dose to have a sudden offset. There would be clear discomfort as he was walking of. Instead he trotted off like it was a walk in the park, no discomfort at all.
Infact the first time it happened I was paralysed and couldnt move and had to be carried off. Fun times.
Not right to be that comfortable while having back spasms.
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He did handball it, but it was a free kick, Foley tried a cheap move to get out of the situation, needed to either kick it as far as he could or actually handball it to someone or through for a behind.
IMO that little pissy handball should always be payed holding the ball.
IMO that little pissy handball should always be payed holding the ball.
You don't stuff your back then casually walk off the field with your arms abitrarily dangled round the shoulders of your medico's - who looked more uncomfortable than he did.
I was there (and a tigers fan), if he handballed it, it was the slightest graze of the football brushing the hairs on his knuckles...
a handball implies force applied to the ball to propel it forward?
that didn't happen.. to the green maggots defense, and they made some truly crap decision today, as they seem to week in week out these days, it really did look like he dropped it, WHEN IT HAPPENED IN REAL TIME.... the replays always cast doubt on any decision.
oh and Richo's mark was over the line.. so these things go both ways... i don't think either teams result was swayed by any of the crap decisions.. the umpires level of crapness in that game seemed to even itself out by the end.
a handball implies force applied to the ball to propel it forward?
that didn't happen.. to the green maggots defense, and they made some truly crap decision today, as they seem to week in week out these days, it really did look like he dropped it, WHEN IT HAPPENED IN REAL TIME.... the replays always cast doubt on any decision.
oh and Richo's mark was over the line..
so these things go both ways... i don't think either teams result was swayed by any of the crap decisions.. the umpires level of crapness in that game seemed to even itself out by the end.
9/10 umpires would call that decision against Foley dropping the ball. whether or not it was a handball I'm not sure but that's the reality.
Regarding the Richo mark, remember the entire ball has to cross the line. It looked like it went completely over the line but I think it is a lot closer than most people realize.
Some doggy decisions all game though.
Regarding the Richo mark, remember the entire ball has to cross the line. It looked like it went completely over the line but I think it is a lot closer than most people realize.
Some doggy decisions all game though.
That was right in front of me and he definitely handballed it.
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Taken from the AFL rules book
Handball: the act of holding the football in one hand and disposing of the football by hitting it with the clenched fist of the other hand.
No mention of how hard you have to hit it. I think umpires are trying to get rid of that style of handball similar to Bartlett throwing it out in front of him prior to being tackled
Handball: the act of holding the football in one hand and disposing of the football by hitting it with the clenched fist of the other hand.
No mention of how hard you have to hit it. I think umpires are trying to get rid of that style of handball similar to Bartlett throwing it out in front of him prior to being tackled
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Move it forward, move it forward... & then lock it in on our half-forward line, near the boundary. That long kick by Simmo with 1 & half minutes to go should have been where we bottled it up.
But I guess a young team not used to being in winning positions won't have been coached too much on this part of footy. (Perhaps should be instinct though)
As soon as we started to waste time deep in the Doggies forward line you could see it coming couldn't you?
Dissapointed but to be expected from a very green group.
The dramatic fade out was purely a case of fatigue and pressure, some of our tall defenders could hardly make a gallop towards the end, and I don't think Joel Bowden would have made much difference in that situation, he'd have started to run the clock down earlier than we did. In saying that we really needed someone to general the troops back there, we had Richo and Polak who are both not known for their decision making under pressure, especially in the backline. Hopefully Thursty can step up and control the troops in the future. If we learn from this than that's all we can hope for. The signs were great though.
I don't think one team was advantaged or disadvantaged more than the other.
Foley's was touch and go, Richo was probably behind the line, etc etc etc... its all part and parcel in footy.
As for Lake's mark and not taking the kick. Whether he was injured or not - only he knows I guess. And if it was Lindsey Gilbee that had have taken the kick instead - It probably would have been dodgy....but I don't think giving the ball to Big Willy Minson gave us any more chance than Lake kicking it!!
Great that the 'Big Minnow' was able to kick truly...but heart in the mouth sort of stuff with the big fella shooting from 45+.
Well played Tigers, your young guys are coming along and you'll be a much better side this year. Very quick, and good in close. Tambling is really coming along and doesn't deserve the comments he often gets. Deledio was fantastic.
Foley's was touch and go, Richo was probably behind the line, etc etc etc... its all part and parcel in footy.
As for Lake's mark and not taking the kick. Whether he was injured or not - only he knows I guess. And if it was Lindsey Gilbee that had have taken the kick instead - It probably would have been dodgy....but I don't think giving the ball to Big Willy Minson gave us any more chance than Lake kicking it!!
Great that the 'Big Minnow' was able to kick truly...but heart in the mouth sort of stuff with the big fella shooting from 45+.
Well played Tigers, your young guys are coming along and you'll be a much better side this year. Very quick, and good in close. Tambling is really coming along and doesn't deserve the comments he often gets. Deledio was fantastic.
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He didnt drop the ball, he hand balled it. But the mistake he made and this should serve as a lesson to him. make sure that its clear to the whole world that you did next time Fola. donot leave yourself open to a muppets interpretation and his desire to make the game exciting. I mean, it was like the maggot couldnt wait to blow his whistle.
He didnt drop the ball, he hand balled it. But the mistake he made and this should serve as a lesson to him. make sure that its clear to the whole world that you did next time Fola. donot leave yourself open to a muppets interpretation and his desire to make the game exciting. I mean, it was like the maggot couldnt wait to blow his whistle.
Agree the umps are trigger happy at the moment.
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When big Winny was handed the ball I knew we were in big trouble.
He must have kicked 6 straight over the last 2 games because I know he didnt miss last week vs the Dons and he kicked 3 yesterday didnt he??
Much more accurate than he gets given credit for.
WAIT til this week....they'll award about 10 frees for the match!! The inconsistency for week to week and even game to game is ridiculous!
Unless there is a rule change I am not aware of, striking the ball with a closed fisted hand irresepective of how far the ball travels, is a legitimate handball.
I have foxtel Iq and so I watched in a few times, and every time it looks like a legitimate handball for mine, a very clever cheeky one to his advantage, almost like bartlet's dropping the ball when he was about to be tackled, but a proper legitimate version.
Unfortunatley, the ump didn't agree ... and so it goes. But I don't blame the ump as it was so quick and cheecky, it could almost have been droping the ball. Foley was actually to good for his own good if you know what I mean.
Well that's my opinion anyways....
Was it the ump who liked like it was his first game and just out of high school? Gotta cut him a break.....we all have bad first days....kinda like the kid umpiring my sons U9's on Saturday morning....first time...comical, but you gotta encourage them....NOT!!!!
Unfortunately, at AFL level, you expect better...I don't know why they get so much protection...the argument that they can't be scrutinized because too much pressure on them and then no one will want to be an umpire is BS....how much do they make FFS!! The guys over in South America maybe have a case to argue.....but its really backs to walls stuff over there..
Oh...and yeah...Axel definately got a handball away...but it is highly likely that umpire has never played a game of football in his life, so would not know about the difference from experience....just working with his experience watching.
We didn't lose this one from umpiring decisions though.
Unfortunately, at AFL level, you expect better...I don't know why they get so much protection...the argument that they can't be scrutinized because too much pressure on them and then no one will want to be an umpire is BS....how much do they make FFS!! The guys over in South America maybe have a case to argue.....but its really backs to walls stuff over there..
Oh...and yeah...Axel definately got a handball away...but it is highly likely that umpire has never played a game of football in his life, so would not know about the difference from experience....just working with his experience watching.
We didn't lose this one from umpiring decisions though.
he handballed it too himself......if he handballed it to the guy infront of him he wud of been put under pressure imediately so he tried to draw his man. but the ump so it the way he thort was right(holding the ball)
are u alowed to handball it to urself while being tackled?
are u alowed to handball it to urself while being tackled?
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how could you say that? i\It went to ground after he handballed it. Handballing it out in front of you is not an infringement catching it again certainly is.
Agree, it was quick - and if the umpires miss it they shouldnt call it.
At one point when the umpiring was blatantly one sided, I started to wonder if it was Smorgon who was paying their salary on Sunday!
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