Food/Supplements Diet Diet, Supplements and Enhancers - Part III

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saj_21 said:
I was surprised when he listed fast food as a protein source, which it is true but plenty of other more quality protein soruces which have less fat, trans fat etc
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He was talking about the average Australian's intake though - we're the fattest country in the world so including the protein contents of shit food is rather prescient.

Nice to see an Aragon article in the comments section that shoots down soem of the bro-science in the main article:

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-...ch-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/
 
saj_21 said:
Interesting to say the least;

http://www.theage.com.au/executive-...-need-protein-supplements-20130521-2jy8y.html

I was surprised when he listed fast food as a protein source, which it is true but plenty of other more quality protein soruces which have less fat, trans fat etc
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Standard newspaper "diet" article.

"how much protein do you need in a day"
only gives the figure for people who aren't exercising (and doesn't even state that). People who are weigh training need more. People who are dieting on lower calories need more.

"There is a risk in consuming too much protein in a day. The body can only use 50g of protein at once, and it will store the other grams of protein as fat
Totally wrong. Going by that if i ate 200g of protein and nothing else for the day i'd use the 50g protein, and the 150g left over will turn to fat, even though i'm at a 1500 calorie deficit.​
 
cfol said:
"There is a risk in consuming too much protein in a day. The body can only use 50g of protein at once, and it will store the other grams of protein as fat
Totally wrong. Going by that if i ate 200g of protein and nothing else for the day i'd use the 50g protein, and the 150g left over will turn to fat, even though i'm at a 1500 calorie deficit.​
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No, I think you've understood it incorrectly. I have a mate that is doing some post-grad study at university and works with Claremont Football Club that has told me a similar thing (albeit with a different figure).

Your body only uses a certain amount of protein at any one time. This article suggests 50 grams, my mate suggests it's closer to 40grams. However the number is irrelevant, it's mainly getting at that dude that had 70g of protein in his shitburger and was drinking a shake at the same time. Pointless. If you consume 200grams of protein throughout the day, your body will use most of it. I think this is pretty much common sense, though.
 

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Shupe said:
No, I think you've understood it incorrectly. I have a mate that is doing some post-grad study at university and works with Claremont Football Club that has told me a similar thing (albeit with a different figure).

Your body only uses a certain amount of protein at any one time. This article suggests 50 grams, my mate suggests it's closer to 40grams. However the number is irrelevant, it's mainly getting at that dude that had 70g of protein in his shitburger and was drinking a shake at the same time. Pointless. If you consume 200grams of protein throughout the day, your body will use most of it. I think this is pretty much common sense, though.
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My issue wasn't with the "use x at once" statement, it was that "any excess will be stored as fat" which is totally incorrect.

It's caloric balance that determines whether you store fat or not, not excess protein. Simplistically all nutrients will be broken down into energy in to the blood stream. Any excess floating around that isn't used will be stored as fat regardless of where it originated.

There is no risk in consuming too much protein in a day.

There is a risk in consuming too many calories (ie. any type of food) and that is weight gain.
 
cfol said:
There is no risk in consuming too much protein in a day.

There is a risk in consuming too many calories (ie. any type of food) and that is weight gain.
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Ok, yeah. The above two mentioned points are spot on. Carry on :thumbsu:
 
Mofra said:
He was talking about the average Australian's intake though - we're the fattest country in the world so including the protein contents of shit food is rather prescient.

Nice to see an Aragon article in the comments section that shoots down soem of the bro-science in the main article:

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-...ch-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/
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yeah, nah

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That's still very outdated; even now, 2007-2008 figures which are 5-6 years out of date indicate sharp rises: ABS Goverment statistics

Either way, you could probably forgive people for thinking that (and it's a hard to measure statistic anyway) given this:

[url=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/were-the-fattest-in-the-world/story-e6frf7kx-1111116684457]AUSTRALIA has overtaken the United States as the fattest nation in the world, with almost four million classed as obese.[/URL]

The latest comprehensive obesity study has shown that 26 per cent of adult Australians - almost four million - are now obese, a million more than last calculated in 1999. The notoriously super-sized Americans have a 25 per cent obesity rate.

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I'm not too sure how accurate all this data is, but we're definitely getting fatter :confused:
 
my biggest gripe with % of obese people, is more often than not they use BMI which is complete load of rubbish. I am 5'10 82kg and had a body scan couple months ago was 15% so by using BMI im rated at 25 and classed as overweight, its complete rubbish. Most of us on here would be in the same boat, along with 90% of AFL players.
 
saj_21 said:
my biggest gripe with % of obese people, is more often than not they use BMI which is complete load of rubbish. I am 5'10 82kg and had a body scan couple months ago was 15% so by using BMI im rated at 25 and classed as overweight, its complete rubbish. Most of us on here would be in the same boat, along with 90% of AFL players.
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That's why BMI is no good for an individual. It works well for population (or 1000s) of people though, because a majority don't exercise.. And those who are super lean or very muscular are very much the minority.
 
A healthy persons digestive system contains enzymes that can utilise 10g of EEA's per sitting.

Excess protein gets converted to glucose for energy , it will be stored as fat like any other excess calories.

We turn over 59% of ingested protein hence why we should eat more than recommended.

fasting teaches our body to utilise more protein in one sitting to compensate the hours it is with out.

A protein shake with a solid protein source may not be over doing it or wasting the amount of protein in one sitting due to different absorption times of the different protein sources although , I don't recommend or consume liquid with meals because it can dilute your stomach acids required to break down the meat.


Ancient warriors/gladiators, hunters & gatherers would only feast at night & eat copious amounts of protein from animal flesh in one sitting , it didn't seem to effect their performance or muscle gains by not drip feeding the body with protein all day.
 
ablett said:
Ancient warriors/gladiators, hunters & gatherers would only feast at night & eat copious amounts of protein from animal flesh in one sitting , it didn't seem to effect their performance or muscle gains by not drip feeding the body with protein all day.
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Honestly man, dafuq is with your ancient warriors/gladiators/hunters/gatherers crap that you keep harping on about? To put it bluntly, it means nothing in todays society and how we live and eat.

It's science.
 

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Syphoncom said:
That's still very outdated; even now, 2007-2008 figures which are 5-6 years out of date indicate sharp rises: ABS Goverment statistics

Either way, you could probably forgive people for thinking that (and it's a hard to measure statistic anyway) given this:

AUSTRALIA has overtaken the United States as the fattest nation in the world, with almost four million classed as obese.

The latest comprehensive obesity study has shown that 26 per cent of adult Australians - almost four million - are now obese, a million more than last calculated in 1999. The notoriously super-sized Americans have a 25 per cent obesity rate.

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I'm not too sure how accurate all this data is, but we're definitely getting fatter :confused:
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Research conducted by the Baker Heart and Diabetes Institute, hmm I bet they wouldn't be up for more government funding on the back of an obesity epidemic now would they?
 
Legal - you're not going to find anything.

Semi-legal - yohimbine, but need to import it and hope it doesnt get picked up by customs. Also not effective unless you're already sub 10% bf.
 
lysp said:
Legal - you're not going to find anything.

Semi-legal - yohimbine, but need to import it and hope it doesnt get picked up by customs. Also not effective unless you're already sub 10% bf.
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Not sub 10, just showing a typical lack of patience. I always get ansy when I'm calorie deficient and the weight doesn't start falling off.
 
showdownhero said:
Might have found a domestic source of yohimbine, have you (or anyone you know) had any luck buying it from o/s? Plenty of sources on eBay, not sure if they'd have a customs red flag though.
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I used some on my last cut, not sure if they worked or not though. Got to 8.7% (tested).

Just found some Primaforce Yohimbine HCl from an american supplier and hoped it got through. I bought with the expectation of losing my money but luckily they came through.

Took them with a couple of caffeine tablets 20 mins before the end of my workout (lag time for them to take effect) and did 30 mins cardio on them. Also started low and worked my way up in dosage.

Did find that i sweated quite a lot where i don't normally sweat that badly.
 
Caffiene usually takes 45-60 minutes to take effect. Sometimes longer.
 

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