Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell * The foster mother has been recommended for charges of pervert the course of justice & interfere with a corpse

[Kurve]

Criminal charges the former foster parents currently face as at 15 April 2022 include:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on both
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

 

[TheDudeAbides]

It sounds to me like the police might have a recording

Police will allege the child yelled out in pain, with SD then alleged to have.......

The fact that they are going to allege a sound here, rather than a visual description that a victim or witness would give, such as "She hit me/them with a wooden spoon, and I/they yelled in pain..." indicates to me a recording. That plus the exact measured time of 44 minutes, plus a couple of other details, have me thinking it's a recording.

If the police are listening in - and this is their recording - I'm concerned that they didn't intervene,

I agree it sounds like a recording.

I very may well be wrong, but I believe the police would need a warrant to place listening devices for surveillance and that warrant is valid for 90 days, if they hear evidence of other activities not relating to the purpose of obtaining the warrant, the that evidence to those other activities would be deemed illegally obtained and unless relating to terrorism or life threatening events and such??

 

[BFew]

More on topic.
I've mostly singled out some of the NSW related bits from the below lengthy piece of investigative journalism.

The state moved Isabella from paedophile to paedophile. She says 'nobody was paying attention'

More than 700 people from around the country have come forward with concerns about Australia's failing child protection system. These are their shocking claims.

www.abc.net.au

'Bad parent
By Katri Uibu

Updated 20 Jun 2022, 8:19am
Published 20 Jun 2022, 5:10am'
...
Ms de Fina has been practising law since 1995. She has led Legal Aid NSW chid protection law division and worked for the royal commission into child sexual abuse.

When representing families fighting for their parental rights, she found it was the clients from diverse cultural backgrounds who were targeted for intervention.

“Sometimes, I think, the child protection workers — who were for the most part young white women — would want to pick a better family for the child, rather than accepting that perhaps the child’s family of origin was the best that it could be,” she said.

“If you’re going to take the child away from their family because of issues with the family, then at the very least the state should be providing a better system for them, better care. I don’t think that’s always the case.”

She said early intervention was a missed opportunity.

“A lot of the families that we were dealing with, if you gave them a lot of support, a lot of help, they could have taken care of their kids, but it was easier for the state to remove the child than to provide the resources necessary for that family,” she said.'

“It’s not for the state to pick new parents for a child simply because they are poor, disadvantaged, might have a disability”

'The malpractice​

Workers who challenge how a child’s case is handled can find themselves “performance managed” out of the departments.

The ABC heard from more than 200 current and former workers, many of whom say they are unable to keep children safe in departments where management is more concerned with cutting corners and manipulating statistics to manage public opinion than protecting children.

They want the system dismantled, starting at the top.'
...

Cora Ingram, former minister’s adviser, NSW​

“We need a real clean-out, starting from the top”

Ms Ingram left the New South Wales Department of Communities in 2018, having worked as a case worker, manager and policy adviser to then Labor minister Reba Meagher.

She’s still in contact with current workers, who call her for advice.

“I’ve decided to speak out because I’m concerned that things are getting worse,” she said.

“It’s not about the best interests of children anymore. It’s all about being able to have an annual report that shows we’ve opened this many cases, we reacted to this many things. But it doesn’t show outcomes.

“You can play with the system, so it looks like work is being done, when actually nothing’s being done to protect children and help families.”

She said there should be an external review into the department’s practices.

“Matters go before the court with little understanding of the legislation and the opportunities that they’ve got to help families, rather than just remove children,” she said.

“We hand over to NGOs [non-government organisations] with things that probably should be more fully addressed by the department itself. We’ve got the legislative responsibility to do that.

“Perhaps a royal commission would be the best answer … [but] it’s got to have some teeth and it’s got to have proper questions asked. It shouldn’t be about the department being able to convene the show.”'
...

 

[Lady O]

More on topic.
I've mostly singled out some of the NSW related bits from the below lengthy piece of investigative journalism.

The state moved Isabella from paedophile to paedophile. She says 'nobody was paying attention'

More than 700 people from around the country have come forward with concerns about Australia's failing child protection system. These are their shocking claims.

www.abc.net.au

'Bad parent
By Katri Uibu

Updated 20 Jun 2022, 8:19am
Published 20 Jun 2022, 5:10am'
...
Ms de Fina has been practising law since 1995. She has led Legal Aid NSW chid protection law division and worked for the royal commission into child sexual abuse.

When representing families fighting for their parental rights, she found it was the clients from diverse cultural backgrounds who were targeted for intervention.

“Sometimes, I think, the child protection workers — who were for the most part young white women — would want to pick a better family for the child, rather than accepting that perhaps the child’s family of origin was the best that it could be,” she said.

“If you’re going to take the child away from their family because of issues with the family, then at the very least the state should be providing a better system for them, better care. I don’t think that’s always the case.”

She said early intervention was a missed opportunity.

“A lot of the families that we were dealing with, if you gave them a lot of support, a lot of help, they could have taken care of their kids, but it was easier for the state to remove the child than to provide the resources necessary for that family,” she said.'

'The malpractice​

Workers who challenge how a child’s case is handled can find themselves “performance managed” out of the departments.

The ABC heard from more than 200 current and former workers, many of whom say they are unable to keep children safe in departments where management is more concerned with cutting corners and manipulating statistics to manage public opinion than protecting children.

They want the system dismantled, starting at the top.'
...

Cora Ingram, former minister’s adviser, NSW​

Ms Ingram left the New South Wales Department of Communities in 2018, having worked as a case worker, manager and policy adviser to then Labor minister Reba Meagher.

She’s still in contact with current workers, who call her for advice.

“I’ve decided to speak out because I’m concerned that things are getting worse,” she said.

“It’s not about the best interests of children anymore. It’s all about being able to have an annual report that shows we’ve opened this many cases, we reacted to this many things. But it doesn’t show outcomes.


She said there should be an external review into the department’s practices.

“Matters go before the court with little understanding of the legislation and the opportunities that they’ve got to help families, rather than just remove children,” she said.

“We hand over to NGOs [non-government organisations] with things that probably should be more fully addressed by the department itself. We’ve got the legislative responsibility to do that.

“Perhaps a royal commission would be the best answer … [but] it’s got to have some teeth and it’s got to have proper questions asked. It shouldn’t be about the department being able to convene the show.”'
...

The difficulty is that the parents have got to want to be helped. Most are happy to go along with their chaotic lifestyle and only acknowledge a problem when their children are removed and placed in care. Then they get angry with the department, the government and anyone else who is involved, but don't blame themselves.

 

[31550]

The CC was involved in investigating Tialeigh Palmer's murder through a Coroner's inquiry resulting in successful prosecutions for murder and lying and in the final report the Coroner left all the detail of the critical role they played right out of it.

Main difference in Tia's case was that there was proven pedophilia / sexual assault and proven conspiracy, with several Thorburn family members being convicted of lying to police and attempting to pervert the course of justice, in addition to the actual murder.

At the moment, there doesn't seem to be a clear connection between the FM / FF lying charges and William's disappearance.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Omg I had no idea of all these developments.

I have already made one post quite early about the 'cinderella effect' and some signs that concerned me. That effect is the known higher incidence of child abuse that occurs in homes where the child in care is not the biological offspring. The statistic is that there can be up to a 1500% increased risk of death by carers hand in these homes. Yes that is right and not mistyped. it's a massive increase to risk which was why I mentioned it in regards to WT as a possibility. Doesn't prove anything but it was always a significant risk factor now seemingly proving out in mistreatment of his sibling.

Fecal smearing is a significant indication of emotional disturbance of a child from their environment. My heart bleeds for this poor girl. Given the poor girls statement at the coroner's court its clear she likely didn't know what happened to WT at that stage. We don't really know what has transpired since but police have been ratcheting up the pressure to aid in making FPs crack. They have it seems and the fight was possibly on topic. Some seemingly still exhibit a form of fecal smearing in adulthood when under duress eg Amber Heard.

The emotional age of a child can differ from their actual age. Child abuse environments can have the effect of ******ing emotional growth. A foster parent environment is designed to counter the negative influences that existed in bio care. But if a FP environment lacks appropriate parenting skills to create calm consistent positive models to follow then the facture can be exacerbated. Not only doesn't the bio environment help but it continues to incite trouble by visits and then further fuel is added by the separate and distinct negative alternative which also aren't bio parents. Anyone who takes on care of a troubled child must have advanced parenting skills else it may fail and collapse.

I'm really heartbroken with seeing this. Damn . Let's get her proper loving care and FFS let's find William

 

[Kurve]

Main difference in Tia's case was that there was proven pedophilia / sexual assault and proven conspiracy, with several Thorburn family members being convicted of lying to police and attempting to pervert the course of justice, in addition to the actual murder.

At the moment, there doesn't seem to be a clear connection between the FM / FF lying charges and William's disappearance.

There were no charges before the CC got involved. Their investigations included intensive electronic surveillance in the Palmer case and went to proving all charges including lying to the QldCC. The difference with this case may only be that the fosters are dragging it out and fighting the charges, the Palmer family buckled and plead guilty to the lying seven months after the charges were raised.

 

[Awakening]

My fear has been that WT was "accidentally" killed and that one or both of the fosters had to cover it up because they knew if his body was found in the house it would show signs of previous abuse.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Main difference in Tia's case was that there was proven pedophilia / sexual assault and proven conspiracy, with several Thorburn family members being convicted of lying to police and attempting to pervert the course of justice, in addition to the actual murder.

At the moment, there doesn't seem to be a clear connection between the FM / FF lying charges and William's disappearance.

Yes but all that came out after charges were laid in conjunction with the trial, we werent told that during the investigation phases.

Edit...

Kurve eloquently said the same thing I was trying to say

There were no charges before the CC got involved. Their investigations included intensive electronic surveillance in the Palmer case and went to proving all charges including lying to the QldCC. The difference with this case may only be that the fosters are dragging it out and fighting the charges, the Palmer family buckled and plead guilty to the lying seven months after the charges were raised.

 

[BFew]

The state moved Isabella from paedophile to paedophile. She says 'nobody was paying attention'

More than 700 people from around the country have come forward with concerns about Australia's failing child protection system. These are their shocking claims.

www.abc.net.au

'Bad parent

This has politically escalated today at the Federal Level.

'I am deeply concerned': Attorney-General, minister react to 'horrific' findings of ABC's child protection investigation

Federal leaders say they will hold a meeting with the National Children's Commissioner to determine action to protect children after an ABC investigation reveals youths in care are being r*ped and neglected.

www.abc.net.au

 

[DropBearess]

My fear has been that WT was "accidentally" killed and that one or both of the fosters had to cover it up because they knew if his body was found in the house it would show signs of previous abuse.

I totally agree with you. I think this theory is by far the most rational and likely scenario. I have been a fence-sitter, but this possibility finally tipped me off that fence. I guess the Spiderman t-shirt wasn't the "compromise". He was dressed in it as a precaution in case he became hot while playing and took off his long sleeved top, as kids do.

 

[NRL Fan]

My fear has been that WT was "accidentally" killed and that one or both of the fosters had to cover it up because they knew if his body was found in the house it would show signs of previous abuse.

The police obviously thought that's what might have happened and thus the search 6 months ago. However, if the body was disposed of locally you would think some remains would have been found, and the lack of any remains despite many searches, including the very large scale search late last year, means that this is now less likely. The FPs also didn't act as if they were guilty in the aftermath and subsequent bugging of their house and car by police came up with nothing.

Personally, I think William is more likely to have been abducted and it's possible the FF was involved in something illegal and that the abduction was related. The FF also made mention of an abduction, later claiming his own car might have been bugged. I found that a rather bizarre statement as it points to a possible link with organised crime. Why else would he think his car was bugged ?.

 

[Lady O]

The police obviously thought that's what might have happened and thus the search 6 months ago. However, if the body was disposed of locally you would think some remains would have been found, and the lack of any remains despite many searches, including the very large scale search late last year, means that this is now less likely. The FPs also didn't act as if they were guilty in the aftermath and subsequent bugging of their house and car by police came up with nothing.

Personally, I think William is more likely to have been abducted and it's possible the FF was involved in something illegal and that the abduction was related. The FF also made mention of an abduction, later claiming his own car might have been bugged. I found that a rather bizarre statement as it points to a possible link with organised crime. Why else would he think his car was bugged ?.

When he said "bugged" I expect he meant with a GPS tracker? Not bugged for sound. Apparently husbands do this to keep track of their wives in abusive relationships.

 

[BFew]

Why else would he think his car was bugged ?.

Maybe he, or an expert he got to look over the car, found a GPS tracker in the car.
And if he/they did, maybe it was just a NSW Police/Crime Commission authorised one.

 

[31550]

Yes but all that came out after charges were laid in conjunction with the trial, we werent told that during the investigation phases.

Edit...

Kurve eloquently said the same thing I was trying to say

It's the timing that is different. In the case of Tia, the crime commission was involved well BEFORE the coronial inquest. We don't know for sure, but it seems the NSWCC only became involved in WT's disappearance after the coronial inquest was under way.

 

[31550]

Maybe he, or an expert he got to look over the car, found a GPS tracker in the car.
And if he/they did, maybe it was just a NSW Police/Crime Commission authorised one.

FF car was a ~2014? Land Rover Discovery presumably with all the bells and whistles? Some (if not all) of those came with a sophisticated on-board navigation system which may have provided the necessary data without police intervention. (I think they actually had a 'back-to-base' sort of transponder which collected vehicle movement history etc.)?

Also I think Jubelin publicly admitted he had placed listening devices in the fosters cars at some time, so this may have provided FF with the idea that his car may have been bugged at some time by someone else.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The police obviously thought that's what might have happened and thus the search 6 months ago. However, if the body was disposed of locally you would think some remains would have been found, and the lack of any remains despite many searches, including the very large scale search late last year, means that this is now less likely. The FPs also didn't act as if they were guilty in the aftermath and subsequent bugging of their house and car by police came up with nothing.

Personally, I think William is more likely to have been abducted and it's possible the FF was involved in something illegal and that the abduction was related. The FF also made mention of an abduction, later claiming his own car might have been bugged. I found that a rather bizarre statement as it points to a possible link with organised crime. Why else would he think his car was bugged ?.

The statistics and profiling say that 97% of these cases involved bio family, foster family or people who directly know. Given that it was also a regional centre and a quiet street with virtually no traffic the chance of it ever being a opportunistic abduction was nil to none. That % as also affected by the fact there was only one 30 sec period where the opportunity was available. Didn't happen.

The chance of an unfortunate accident is also possible but what goes against it is the fact they could simply report the accident and get an ambulance. There is but a small reason to hide which involves hidden child abuse injuries, but these injuries would have to be severe enough to show up in forensic examination meaning they would likely have needed hospital care too. Remotely possible.

The most likely scenario now about 75% is that the child went crazy and force was used to stop him A troubled child raised in abusive environment will mirror that abuse. Might sound strange but a 4 yo boy can be dangerous. I think that most assuredly is what happened. I think he was struck on head (aka the FGM "bouncing out of his skull" comment in walk through) by FM or FF to stop an attack on sibling or FGM

Middle bros national park was about 50 min round trip and you could get there without passing any CCTV cameras. The adjusted time from 9.39 am to 7.37 am gave the FF time to do that and return for his appointments. I personally think WT is somewhere there

Virtually all of the searches are closer to Benaroon Dr and are looking for a shallow grave. I don't think there would be a grave at all. I think it was very remote and 20-25 metres from roadside perhaps covered by branches on left side of Rd

 

[31550]

The statistics and profiling say that 97% of these cases involved bio family, foster family or people who directly know. Given that it was also a regional centre and a quiet street with virtually no traffic the chance of it ever being a opportunistic abduction was nil to none. That % as also affected by the fact there was only one 30 sec period where the opportunity was available. Didn't happen.

The chance of an unfortunate accident is also possible but what goes against it is the fact they could simply report the accident and get an ambulance. There is but a small reason to hide which involves hidden child abuse injuries, but these injuries would have to be severe enough to show up in forensic examination meaning they would likely have needed hospital care too. Remotely possible.

The most likely scenario now about 75% is that the child went crazy and force was used to stop him A troubled child raised in abusive environment will mirror that abuse. Might sound strange but a 4 yo boy can be dangerous. I think that most assuredly is what happened. I think he was struck on head (aka the FGM "bouncing out of his skull" comment in walk through) by FM or FF to stop an attack on sibling or FGM

Middle bros national park was about 50 min round trip and you could get there without passing any CCTV cameras. The adjusted time from 9.39 am to 7.37 am gave the FF time to do that and return for his appointments. I personally think WT is somewhere there

Virtually all of the searches are closer to Benaroon Dr and are looking for a shallow grave. I don't think there would be a grave at all. I think it was very remote and 20-25 metres from roadside perhaps covered by branches on left side of Rd

Random abduction = statistically very unlikely but fits all the evidence and timeline.

Accident &/or foul play on behalf of fosters = statistically likely but does not fit the timeline : not enough time to dispose of the body without detection. (We have to assume the photo time is 9:37, as this has been investigated by experts several times, and nothing has emerged from police or coroner to indicate the photos were not taken at this time).

My suspicion is that it's actually a combination of things - possibly an 'accident' or 'incident' involving William and FM, culminating in him being transported by FGM car to a very nearby location, whereupon his body was moved by a third party.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Random abduction = statistically very unlikely but fits all the evidence and timeline.

Accident &/or foul play on behalf of fosters = statistically likely but does not fit the timeline : not enough time to dispose of the body without detection. (We have to assume the photo time is 9:37, as this has been investigated by experts several times, and nothing has emerged from police or coroner to indicate the photos were not taken at this time).

My suspicion is that it's actually a combination of things - possibly an 'accident' or 'incident' involving William and FM, culminating in him being transported by FGM car to a very nearby location, whereupon his body was moved by a third party.

All that testing and analysis we did imo proved it can't have been 9.39;am. The Sun patches and sun elevation. I stand by that. Even if they had proved the time was wrong they may not necessarily have made that public because in and of itself it proves nothing. I most definately believe the 7.37am time not the latter.

The most likely offload site is close. Statistics even say that vast majority occurs within 23 klm. But they've investigated twice close to no avail. Imo the very reason the time was changed was to hide the fact they had time (an hour in fact) to dispose of body. That photo was provided days later by which time it had been tampered.

A massive search effort was made almost immediately. Had there been a body close with that and subsequent searches it would have been found. The fact it hasn't suggested to me that instead the FPs sought virgin bushland a little further away and without burial. Was a body placed close but moved? Possible but still it wasn't found initially and the search effort was significant. I think it would have.

Exactly how it happened is open. Testimony of a wild temper (uncontrolled temper storms) and troubled environment both bio and foster mean behaviour most likely played an element in death imo. A fall from balcony would have shown positive for blood but didn't. A dead child would show positive to cadavar dog but only after two hours by which stage a body was offloaded.

A body found close will point immediate guilt on FPs. A body found further away with artificial tight timeline not detected would point guilt on an abductor.

 

[31550]

All that testing and analysis we did imo proved it can't have been 9.39;am.

Sorry, have to agree to disagree there. IMO the ship has sailed on the photo timestamp issue - if the police and coroner were not satisfied by now there would have been far more serious charges laid than what we have seen over the last few months.

 

[BFew]

if the police and coroner were not satisfied by now there would have been far more serious charges laid than what we have seen over the last few months.

What will those charges achieve, if in themselves they would not (or a less likely to) lead to the case being solved.

There might be a range of reasons why any number of false and misleading information that Police have sufficient evidence to charge the fosters with, has not resulted in charges yet, and possibly never will result in charges.

Show me the law that says that Police always have to charge someone with something as soon as they possibly can, or even at all.

I can think of a few very negative things that could happen to the case and affect NSW Police adversely, if they revealed that the proof of life photo was taken at a materially different time by the fosters. I've already had my say on this earlier in the thread.

Sometimes if a confession or a guilty fee elicited, and a full trial avoided, and certain things that happened in the case kept under wraps as a result of this, until a confession or a guilty plea/conviction are secured, that is sometimes a much more effective way to deal with things within the Justice System.

 

[Awakening]

I'm still 50/50 on the timing of the photos.

Part of me thinks it has to be accurate or there would have been charges or it would have been leaked to the media.

But another part of me thinks if the only thing the police have is that the time on the photos have been changed then it would make sense to not charge until they possibly have more evidence.

If they did mess with the photos that doesn't prove they murdered WT.

 

[31550]

What will those charges achieve, if in themselves they would not (or a less likely to) lead to the case being solved.

There might be a range of reasons why any number of false and misleading information that Police have sufficient evidence to charge the fosters with, has not resulted in charges yet, and possibly never will result in charges.

Show me the law that says that Police always have to charge someone with something as soon as they possibly can, or even at all.

I can think of a few very negative things that could happen to the case and affect NSW Police adversely, if they revealed that the proof of life photo was taken at a materially different time by the fosters. I've already had my say on this earlier in the thread.

Sometimes if a confession or a guilty fee elicited, and a full trial avoided, and certain things that happened in the case kept under wraps as a result of this, until a confession or a guilty plea/conviction are secured, that is sometimes a much more effective way to deal with things within the Justice System.

I again disagree. Sure, police can exercise discretion in whether they lay charges or not. But the guiding principle should be "community expectations". I believe community expectations are such that if there is clear evidence that the fosters have manipulated the image timestamps and lied about the time William disappeared, then they would be promptly charged with suitable offences. It's not as though the police are shy about charging them over the alleged assault, stalking and lying about the assault to the NSWCC - as a member of the 'community', it is my expectation that charges relating to evidence-tampering or attempting to pervert the course of justice should be pursued at least as vigorously as these other charges.

As to how it affects solving William's case - if the time of the photographs were to be confirmed in the public domain, it could only lead to more clarity and bring us closer to a solution. There may be people sitting on potential evidence which they have not brought forward because it conflicts with the 9:37 timestamp.

But I really think the timestamp issue is done and dusted.

 

[DropBearess]

On another note, all this 'bugging' concerns me a bit, if it's actual bugging and not mobile recordings. Goodness knows how many recording devices have been set in this case and how many innocent people might be involved. They can't all be guilty.

I suppose a successful conviction will justify it, if that ever happens. I'm not optimistic.

Where are we going with this? Has bugging always been an option or has it been used in this case as a last resort? At what point in an investigation does it become justified?

So far we have an elderly widower talking to his dead wife. Now we have some sort of quite precise evidence vividly detailing events which could be interpreted as a serious assault on a vulnerable person.

I saw footage today of the obscured FPs walking along a street and wondered why they were making themselves so visible. Then it occurred to me that it might be the only way they could be assured of a chat bug-free. How could anyone survive this situation, innocent or guilty? Your life would never be the same and you'd never feel safe in your own home again.

 

[stormbird]

On another note, all this 'bugging' concerns me a bit, if it's actual bugging and not mobile recordings. Goodness knows how many recording devices have been set in this case and how many innocent people might be involved. They can't all be guilty.

I suppose a successful conviction will justify it, if that ever happens. I'm not optimistic.

Where are we going with this? Has bugging always been an option or has it been used in this case as a last resort? At what point in an investigation does it become justified?

So far we have an elderly widower talking to his dead wife. Now we have some sort of quite precise evidence vividly detailing events which could be interpreted as a serious assault on a vulnerable person.

I saw footage today of the obscured FPs walking along a street and wondered why they were making themselves so visible. Then it occurred to me that it might be the only way they could be assured of a chat bug-free. How could anyone survive this situation, innocent or guilty? Your life would never be the same and you'd never feel safe in your own home again.

I agree. And for me a successful conviction won't justify all this surveillance, especially not of the obviously innocent people* (the families and especially the children), all of whom should have a right to feel safe in their own home, as you said, without police or anyone else destroying their privacy. It seems like this investigation has been so messy for so many years - targetting one person then another than another as though there's not a clue behind any of it, as though it doesn't matter how much wreckage is left behind along the way.

The media surveillance of the fosters walking along the street in Crescent Head and leaving what appears to be a shopping centre somewhere else makes me wonder whether the police had tipped off the media as a way of telling the fosters there is nowhere they can escape. We've seen that sort of public pressure applied with every other previous person of interest, and for what? So far, apparently nothing. To me it seems to be a terrible cost to too many lives.

*Edit to clarify that by "obviously innocent people" I mean the other people in any person-of-interest's household: those who are not being targetted by police but are nevertheless caught up in the surveillance.

 

[fazacs1]

There are no very clear images of the clock that I can see in the walkthrough video but I read it as in the afternoon.

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The above, screenshotted just prior to the FGM walking out to the deck area below. The sun appears to be high.

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Well, at least the washing machine has been fixed in all the chaos. How long after William went missing was FGM walkthrough done? Thanks in advance