Impact has made alot of changes in the past 3 years. Hopefully will pick itself back up, and become a third cog in the wheel, to make wrestling good again. Can’t see ROH stepping out of their comfort zone, which is a shame.
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Impact has made alot of changes in the past 3 years. Hopefully will pick itself back up, and become a third cog in the wheel, to make wrestling good again. Can’t see ROH stepping out of their comfort zone, which is a shame.
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Considering Moxley is already doing some stuff with NJPW id be pretty surprised if AEW and NJPW didnt have a working relationship in the future.
Now a AEW and NJPW tandem could really rock the boat for WWE.
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Once AEW goes to TV Cody said they are only going to do like 3 or 4 PPV's a year.
They are only doing so much now to stay relevant and people wanting more till they start up weekly TV
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This makes me think you didn't actually watch the show, or that you watched it with the sound down.
Excalibur might've been the best thing on what was a phenomenal show. JR was a bit player whose knowledge of these guys isn't up to scratch, and whose commentary probably didn't suit the tone of the show.
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Alex Marvez was truly awful.
JR and Excal would be fine as a duo on com together no need for a third just get rid of Marvez
JR and Excal would be fine as a duo on com together no need for a third just get rid of Marvez
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With the dust having settled a bit, I wanted to ask about something that I've been thinking about - the weapon shots to the head and the blood. In one of these cases, I thought it was the only significant blight on the event.
While it might be paradoxical, I think I can stomach the blood. I mean, not that much blood - but a little blood. I don't think they should do it more than once or twice a year (as opposed to the early 2000s where we were getting it almost every PPV on WWE & TNA), but I think in the case of blood-borne viruses we know enough about them, and I think in a company that's making a big deal of offering health insurance we just have to have faith that people are being tested and precautions are being taken.
But the weapon shots to the head are something I don't think I'll ever be comfortable with. I know we're talking about trash can lids which, in the pantheon of weapons don't seem to be too bad - but as opposed to blood where we know lots, in the case of brain injuries we know comparatively nothing. I just don't think it's something that needs to happen. When I came to believe in the months following Benoit that it was the concurrence of traumatic brain injuries that caused it, I didn't watch wrestling for nearly 3 years - it's the longest I've ever gone without watching wrestling since I first started. It's what made me stop watching ROH diromg the Steen/Generico feud that many thought was the greatest feud of the 21st century in the US. It's why there are guys in New Japan that I just won't watch now.
I'm curious how others feel about it, and whether anyone agrees that this is a completely unnecessary anachronism in the wrestling industry.
While it might be paradoxical, I think I can stomach the blood. I mean, not that much blood - but a little blood. I don't think they should do it more than once or twice a year (as opposed to the early 2000s where we were getting it almost every PPV on WWE & TNA), but I think in the case of blood-borne viruses we know enough about them, and I think in a company that's making a big deal of offering health insurance we just have to have faith that people are being tested and precautions are being taken.
But the weapon shots to the head are something I don't think I'll ever be comfortable with. I know we're talking about trash can lids which, in the pantheon of weapons don't seem to be too bad - but as opposed to blood where we know lots, in the case of brain injuries we know comparatively nothing. I just don't think it's something that needs to happen. When I came to believe in the months following Benoit that it was the concurrence of traumatic brain injuries that caused it, I didn't watch wrestling for nearly 3 years - it's the longest I've ever gone without watching wrestling since I first started. It's what made me stop watching ROH diromg the Steen/Generico feud that many thought was the greatest feud of the 21st century in the US. It's why there are guys in New Japan that I just won't watch now.
I'm curious how others feel about it, and whether anyone agrees that this is a completely unnecessary anachronism in the wrestling industry.
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enjoyed the show a lot. 
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Completely agree. The fact that the blood was not avoided, and in fact was a major part of the match, was refreshing and perfect for the story. He obviously cut too deep but it worked. As long as they don't use it all the time it will be great.
But the head shots, for spots that barely anyone will remember, is just stupid. Especially unprotected ones. There was no reason for them as a throwaway spot in a battle royal.
I don’t need a partner.
I don’t need a friend.
I need my older brother...
Followed by a huge pop
I don’t need a friend.
I need my older brother...
Followed by a huge pop
God, that was very, very impressive. Felt like a higher end version of one of the Golden Era ECW shows in how they managed to have literally something in there for everyone. Kong return, the Joshi six-woman, Bucks/Luchas and Cody/Dustin the highlights for me.
I'm still reserving judgment on how well this level of quality can be sustained when they head to TV, but they've given us every reason to be very confident.
I'm still reserving judgment on how well this level of quality can be sustained when they head to TV, but they've given us every reason to be very confident.
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Enjoyed it overall. A few production hiccups but they will be sorted in time.
Thought the commentary was okay - but don't know about having the third man there. Excalibur is excellent and one of the best at building excitement. He with some extra tutelage from JR as a bit more of a colour commentator would be plenty IMO.
Moxley debut is huge. A feud with Omega... Oh my.
But your hate boner for Cody has no bounds. So I'm not surprised you disagree with a large number of people who think it was the best match of the night.
Thought the commentary was okay - but don't know about having the third man there. Excalibur is excellent and one of the best at building excitement. He with some extra tutelage from JR as a bit more of a colour commentator would be plenty IMO.
Moxley debut is huge. A feud with Omega... Oh my.
Yes it is.
That match was far more than just a blood fest and was clearly not intended to be that way. That was a bad blade job, I doubt they intended for Dustin to bleed that heavily.
But your hate boner for Cody has no bounds. So I'm not surprised you disagree with a large number of people who think it was the best match of the night.
AAA might have preferred to have the titles change hands in Mexico.
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Mister M, I think the difference between your criticism of AEW and the general criticism of WWE is that with AEW it's pretty much only you, and has been for months before their first official show as a promotion. It's a volume thing as well, it feels like everything you post in relation to AEW is critical. And you do post quite often in the threads.
And it's getting pretty tiring.
And it's getting pretty tiring.
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I haven't watched wrestling much in the last 2 years, just a show every couple months. I haven't said much about AEW in a negative way. I have been very skeptical of what people think they can achieve. Cody says a lot of good things I don't know if he's parroting things people tell him or what he reads online but he seems to be describing a product I'd prefer to watch.
After finally buckling to the pressure I watched all in two weeks ago and double or nothing yesterday. I didn't like all in very much except the Cody/Nick match and the street fight. double or nothing was a much better show every match was impressive except for both women's matches, the first match, Awesome Kong bores me to tears if she wasn't in the match I may have been able to stay interested. The women's tag match was so boring I had my Internet browser over the media player opening random websites waiting until I couldn't bare another second and I just fast forward to the next match.
I've read a lot of people saying the Rhodes match was too bloody, I didn't think so. It maybe because I don't get to see it often anymore and when I do it's a tiny scratch. I've always been a fan of color, I liked it in the Cody/Nick match at all in too. The only time I felt uncomfortable is the couple times they were zooming in and saying look at that. Maybe a bad blade job but you don't need add anymore attention to it lol. We can see by the amount of blood around the ring how much he's bleeding.
The Y2J/Kenny match was ok, the way it was hyped had me expecting a much better match than that, a few times I was pretty bored watching it.
I get the feeling JR thinks he maybe getting people from WWE watching AEW so he wants to explain to these people nice and slow like they're a little dim about who the wrestlers are and the rules of matches. Or he feels they maybe use to a slower commentary style and he doesn't want to scare the people away that have only watched WWE. I maybe wrong but that is how it felt.
After finally buckling to the pressure I watched all in two weeks ago and double or nothing yesterday. I didn't like all in very much except the Cody/Nick match and the street fight. double or nothing was a much better show every match was impressive except for both women's matches, the first match, Awesome Kong bores me to tears if she wasn't in the match I may have been able to stay interested. The women's tag match was so boring I had my Internet browser over the media player opening random websites waiting until I couldn't bare another second and I just fast forward to the next match.
I've read a lot of people saying the Rhodes match was too bloody, I didn't think so. It maybe because I don't get to see it often anymore and when I do it's a tiny scratch. I've always been a fan of color, I liked it in the Cody/Nick match at all in too. The only time I felt uncomfortable is the couple times they were zooming in and saying look at that. Maybe a bad blade job but you don't need add anymore attention to it lol. We can see by the amount of blood around the ring how much he's bleeding.
The Y2J/Kenny match was ok, the way it was hyped had me expecting a much better match than that, a few times I was pretty bored watching it.
I get the feeling JR thinks he maybe getting people from WWE watching AEW so he wants to explain to these people nice and slow like they're a little dim about who the wrestlers are and the rules of matches. Or he feels they maybe use to a slower commentary style and he doesn't want to scare the people away that have only watched WWE. I maybe wrong but that is how it felt.
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Good post. Last thing I'll say regarding impact, is people who don't watch because of the old TNA bookings are missing out on the best wrestling television happening right now. Their loss.
I think there are definitely things that can be picked out and critique in regards to PPV but I think they're more teething issues than anything else. Once they have a weekly tv show to act as a storytelling platform and they continue to review and improve their camera work, their shows will naturally go up another level.
I think overall the show has been overrated by many, canned by some and in reality sits as a successful pay per view with a lot more room for improvement which is only a good thing. The more good companies there are, the more great wrestling talent get jobs and the more us fans can enjoy what we see.
Watched parts of this show and having no interest in AEW/no idea who half he talent were I must say I enjoyed it.
Some thoughts:
- opening match was pretty great. American team winning was expected (as was the theme throughout the night)
- skipped the womens matches because honestly I'm just not a huge fan of women wrestling in general
- some production stuff ups and hiccups throughout the night. You really realise just how good WWE is at this stuff when you watch another promotion. I'm sure they'll iron these out.
- Cody vs Dustin was pretty great lol. Old school wrestling match. I went into it thinking I was going to hate it but they shoved it up my ass so well done. Blood was a bit much though.
- Young Bucks vs Lucha Bros was over the top, but great. Haven't seen either teams but they pretty much blew me away.
- Omega vs Jericho was pretty good. First time watching Omega, man this guy is ballsy. Some of the bumps he was taking I'm not sure if he'll be walking properly for a week. Having him lose clean was strange seeing as he's supposed to be the big star.
- Moxley debut was done to perfection.
WWE will need to take notes.
Some thoughts:
- opening match was pretty great. American team winning was expected (as was the theme throughout the night)
- skipped the womens matches because honestly I'm just not a huge fan of women wrestling in general
- some production stuff ups and hiccups throughout the night. You really realise just how good WWE is at this stuff when you watch another promotion. I'm sure they'll iron these out.
- Cody vs Dustin was pretty great lol. Old school wrestling match. I went into it thinking I was going to hate it but they shoved it up my ass so well done. Blood was a bit much though.
- Young Bucks vs Lucha Bros was over the top, but great. Haven't seen either teams but they pretty much blew me away.
- Omega vs Jericho was pretty good. First time watching Omega, man this guy is ballsy. Some of the bumps he was taking I'm not sure if he'll be walking properly for a week. Having him lose clean was strange seeing as he's supposed to be the big star.
- Moxley debut was done to perfection.
WWE will need to take notes.
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Omega is the best wrestler in the World and this wasn't even half of what he is capable of. You should check out Omega V Okada on YouTube. Their series is some of the best matches of all time.
Man he is nuts. Some of those bumps from DoN were insane. Definitely want to see more of his work.
Without seeing much of Kenny. I've in all honestly only seen the Jericho match and the one he had at WK this year. The one thing I don't like is the finish and near fall spam with a no sell. What do you think about that?
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I can't watch All Japan Pro Wrestling from the late 90s/00s due to the number of moves they were doing to their necks eg Steve Williams backdrop driver. Those moves were brutal and I still think Misawa dying of a cervical spine injury should have been the end of wrestler's doing stupid shit to the their heads/necks.
It's one of the reasons why I've retreated back to the 80s. I'm more impressed with the ability to construct a match that the crowd loves sans the insane dangerous moves. The blood doesn't bother me as much (although the stories regarding Abdullah the Butcher and his passing hepatitis are pretty disgusting).
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FWIW I also thought the quadraplegic legitimately eliminating someone was bloody stupid.
If you want it to be a treated like a sport you can’t have rubbish like that in it.
Btw having all clean finishes was a good way to set up that “sports mentality” approach, but having tag teams like The Young Bucks and some of the other spotfests need to be toned down if you want me to suspend disbelief.
If you want it to be a treated like a sport you can’t have rubbish like that in it.
Btw having all clean finishes was a good way to set up that “sports mentality” approach, but having tag teams like The Young Bucks and some of the other spotfests need to be toned down if you want me to suspend disbelief.
You definitely need to see the Okada and Omega matches then. I saw the first one on YouTube, as I heard the hype, it was justified. Then like a fine wine the other 2 matches were insane. It’s like the Steamboat vs Flair triology in NWA in the 80’s must see.
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Watched a few of the matches from AEW. Really want to see the rest.
Battle Royal. Flyin Brian Pullman Jnr, is the dead spit of his old man. Really want to see more of him. Still only young. Page winning was predictable, but highly understandable Shawn Spears aka Tye Dillinger was promoted strongly throughout his time in the match.
Omega vs Jericho, not as good as their wrestle Kingdom match, I’m not completely sold on the elbow as a finishing move tbh. The Mox’s appearance was first class.
The match for me was Cody vs Dustin. The story that was told was brilliant. From the stardust imitations from Cody, to him having his arse spanked, to Dustin bleeding out. Then the reconciliation at the end was brilliant story telling. At times I think you need a bit of colour to tell a story. Austin vs Hart is a prime example. Without it the story cannot be properly told. In this match, I see the justification in blood, as in the end it was a story of blood, sweat and tears.
Cage matches are another one I think that blood is justified in telling the story.
Battle Royal. Flyin Brian Pullman Jnr, is the dead spit of his old man. Really want to see more of him. Still only young. Page winning was predictable, but highly understandable Shawn Spears aka Tye Dillinger was promoted strongly throughout his time in the match.
Omega vs Jericho, not as good as their wrestle Kingdom match, I’m not completely sold on the elbow as a finishing move tbh. The Mox’s appearance was first class.
The match for me was Cody vs Dustin. The story that was told was brilliant. From the stardust imitations from Cody, to him having his arse spanked, to Dustin bleeding out. Then the reconciliation at the end was brilliant story telling. At times I think you need a bit of colour to tell a story. Austin vs Hart is a prime example. Without it the story cannot be properly told. In this match, I see the justification in blood, as in the end it was a story of blood, sweat and tears.
Cage matches are another one I think that blood is justified in telling the story.
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he's on MLW a lot. All their eps are free on youtube.
