Dravid only fined?

[Lowey]

Originally posted by Cooldude

He tampered the ball, the ball swung a mile, so what? Zimbabwe probably would've still lost or something (though they got close), so it probably makes no difference to the result

that points to the fact that it is probably a regular or standard tactic. not surprisingly Australian cameras were the ones to finally pick up on it (as opposed to the ones in India)

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by Lowey
i'd say he does it all the time, along with the rest of the team most probably. Seems like a tactic, though this time he accidentally had some lolly come out instead of the heavily concentrated spit, and was caught as well.

Yeah, the Poms and the Proteas do smiliar things, eating lollies then shine the ball with the saliva. Do the Aussies do that?

Originally posted by Lowey

Ricky Ponting basically implied that Dravid was cheating. Went on to say how Australian cricketers would never be caught doing something like that.

Dravid wasn't cheating, ball tampering's a pretty big crime, but definitely not cheating. Using lollies to mix the stuff into your saliva and use it to shine the ball is not as bad as scratching the ball, like the Pakistanis and Sri Lankans still do. At least Dravid wasn't deliberately damaging the ball.

Find it funny how a lot of people would just call Dravid a cheater. I guess you would if the man was just made man of the series in the test matches and scored runs in his last two ODIs. You can't find a thing wrong with him, and when you do, you better stamp your foot on him, and make it a hard and painful one.

 

[losers]

A frieid of mine played club cricket with a Kent and English batsman. He was showing the club cricketers how to sledge the f**k out of people. He also showed a disgracefull ... oh im sorry.. a very respectable fast bowler how to start a mid-pitch fight for no reason when his team is losing. He was told how to do it by an Australian cricketer playing for Kent!

If you did this in other sports you would be disqualified, disgraced and banned.

Have to agree with you there Yeah right.

 

[Lowey]

what have the poms and proteas got to do with anything? maybe they do? i havent seen it. Politically correct police are we?
i don't know how you can argue it isnt cheating, and him having just won the man of the series? you are desperately clutching at straws now. It made him my most respected Indian player, even higher than Sachin after his efforts in that series.

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by ThePope
To me it just shows how either stupid or arrogant he must be... most other players would suck on the lozenge, lick their fingers and then work on the ball. Wouldn't be noticed, would have a similar effect.

If you know or heard anything about Rahul Dravid, everyone would tell you he's the most polite and nicest man you'd ever meet in your life.

I guess with him revealing the lozenge just shows that he isn't very good at doing illegal things like this, unnatural to a great bloke.

 

[Lowey]

Originally posted by losers
Yeah right.

and your backup is....?

if you heat golf balls you are disqualified. If you take fur off a tennis ball you lose the match.

As for your previous assertion... pathetic attempt. credibility = low.

 

[Cupestar]

I'm disappointed in Dravid. No use sugarcoating the facts, he was caught with his pants down, and he deserves everything that comes to him. Professional cricketers have a duty of care.

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by Lowey
what have the poms and proteas got to do with anything? maybe they do? i havent seen it. Politically correct police are we?

Coz if you call Dravid a cheater, then the Poms, the Proteas are also cheaters, then a lot other teams in club cricket or domestic cricket around the world might also cheat, don't single out Dravid.

Originally posted by Lowey

i don't know how you can argue it isnt cheating, and him having just won the man of the series? you are desperately clutching at straws now. It made him my most respected Indian player, even higher than Sachin after his efforts in that series.

Don't think you get what I'm saying. The man's been batting like Bradman for the whole summer, some Aussies can't bag him or anything coz he's doing so well, so when he does something wrong, you better get all over it and slam him as hard as you can, while you have the chance.

Cheating's more like Murali, throwing illegal deliveries to dismiss batsman, or illegal drug takers, or some players who deliberately run onto the pitch with big spikes to make it an advantage for their spinners.

Dravid is not a cheater, it's his first offense, if people are deemed cheaters by just doing something wrong in the course of their lifes, then hell, everyone of us are cheaters, you can't tell me you wouldn't have peeked at the answers of the bloke next to ya when you were doing exams in school, or throwing rubbish all over the road, or something like that.

Everyone makes mistakes, you gotta show more forgiveness as a human being.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by Cupestar
No use sugarcoating the facts

Nice one

 

[losers]

What was his backup? Can you give me a detailed backup like what player what player was banned in what sport and so on? Did dravid heat the ball or take the skin out? It was unintensional and he got the right fine for it. If you call someone a cheat and disgracefull person for that then every cricketer and sportsman is cheat and disgrace in someway or another.

As for your previous assertion... pathetic attempt. credibility = low.

ummm ok... lol .... you wont quite understand it...but not as pathetic as his attempt to bring down a good player.

It was a stupid post so I decided reply with another stupid post.

 

[Port01]

The indians could get caught covering a side of the ball with insulation tape and get away with it after their carryon regarding the Mike Denness affair.

 

[dannyboy]

I think ppl are missing the point......it was against the rules....and he copped a fine....fair call I rekn because believe it or not what he was doin to the ball will make next to no difference...infact i rekn making half the ball sticky at all would be of detriment to whoever is bowling it....especially if they were trying to swing it, because if the ball does not leave the bowlers hand cleanly then they hav no hope of it swinging. So thats it, he copped the fine.

 

[Minkus_Swan]

Why hasn't the ICC done anything about this problem - if it is? Does it really have any effect on the ball? Should mints be outlawed?

Sounds like the old ICC attitude where the problem will just go away. Like match fixing, chuckers etc.

Surely they should address the problems now - before it's too late.

 

[pav_is_god]

Dravid should've got the same penalty as Sachin did a couple of years ago, all we ask is for a little consistency.

Can't say the Aussies are totally innocent though. Never seen them use lollies, but have seen one or two incidents where a player has applied sun screen on themselves then rubbed their hands on the ball. Warne has admitted doing it, although inadvertently.

 

[themoose]

Dravid was charged under the ICC Code of Conduct, specifically clause 2.10.



Clause 2.10 refers to: "Changing the condition of the ball in breach of Law 42.3 as read with Standard Test Match and ODI Playing Conditions clause 42.1 (this supplements and does not replace the provisions of the Laws of Cricket and Standard Test Match and ODI Playing Conditions).

So he breached the Laws of the game and the ICC code of conduct. If anyone is stupid enough to think it was inadvertant then I have a bridge to sell you.

Look at the video. It clearly shows him using the lollie to lacquer the ball.

If it doesn't work, then why did the English bat (see my earlier post) tell the people in grade cricket about using the stuff?

The max penalty is two matches. He should have received that. (And I think the penalties are too lax).

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by dannyboy
I think ppl are missing the point......it was against the rules....and he copped a fine....fair call I rekn because believe it or not what he was doin to the ball will make next to no difference..

So why did he do it then? He wouldn't do it if he didn't think it would make a difference. Look I'm a Rahul Dravid fan but I think he was cheating. Not the worst form of cheating but cheating nonetheless. He should have been suspended - I don't care if it's his first offence or not, he should've got too matches and then if caught again he should get a heavier penalty. Just fining him is too soft for deliberately breaking the rules.

 

[Demonheart]

This Indian tour has been the best thing for Aussie cricket, because for the first time for a long time they have had to work really hard, but cheating is cheating, and inconsistent fines reflect poorly on the game.

 

[IceTemple]

Why not just ban the eating of lollies that could "enhance" the ball?

I reckon the Aussies do it. As Ponting just said they would never get caught doing it not they never do it!

 

[Lowey]

Originally posted by Cooldude
Coz if you call Dravid a cheater, then the Poms, the Proteas are also cheaters, then a lot other teams in club cricket or domestic cricket around the world might also cheat, don't single out Dravid.

I'm not singling him out. I will call it as i see it to whoever i see it. I have had a go at many an Australian even, but i don't know of the grade cricketers who do it, and its not like anyone here would care if i did. Dravid is high profile. You'd be naive if an international superstar caught ball tampering did not recieve attention

Don't think you get what I'm saying. The man's been batting like Bradman for the whole summer, some Aussies can't bag him or anything coz he's doing so well, so when he does something wrong, you better get all over it and slam him as hard as you can, while you have the chance.

Thats ridiculous. People are generally a lot more forgiving of decent people and quality players. Dravid is one of my favourite international players and i'm sure many would hold the same opinion. Just because you like the bloke does not mean your thinking is so clouded that he is seemingly above wrongdoing. You make it sound as if Aussies must bag everyone, and look for petty things to do so. If it was a convicted ball tampererer at it again, he would recieve much harsher treatment in the media than Dravid.

Cheating's more like Murali, throwing illegal deliveries to dismiss batsman, or illegal drug takers, or some players who deliberately run onto the pitch with big spikes to make it an advantage for their spinners.

Dravid is not a cheater, it's his first offense, if people are deemed cheaters by just doing something wrong in the course of their lifes, then hell, everyone of us are cheaters, you can't tell me you wouldn't have peeked at the answers of the bloke next to ya when you were doing exams in school, or throwing rubbish all over the road, or something like that.

Everyone makes mistakes, you gotta show more forgiveness as a human being. [/B]

It is illegal to tamper with the ballby forming a varnish over one side with a sweet or such. To break this law is cheating. You infer that cheating on all levels is one in the same. He cheated, is anyone saying thats a criminal offence? no, depends on how bad it is. its cheating, but only deserves a 1 match suspension i think.

As for someone running on the pitch with spikes, ball tampering is far more serious than that, but both are still cheating.

 

[Lowey]

Originally posted by IceTemple
Why not just ban the eating of lollies that could "enhance" the ball?

I reckon the Aussies do it. As Ponting just said they would never get caught doing it not they never do it!

the current situation is fine, but the deterrent needs to be heavier if caught than a fine. Dravid would make millions. International cricketers, particularly high profile Indians, do not live off the earnings of a VB Series match. A suspension but no fine is a far better detterent.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

It's tourist bash time again.

They must be getting close to us.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
It's tourist bash time again.

They must be getting close to us.

Well done on completely ignoring the issue.

 

[Lowey]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
It's tourist bash time again.

They must be getting close to us.

got to love it when people jump on their moral high horse, forgetting that our own cricket players are also battered from pillar to post at the slightest bit of wrongdoings (like not declaring when someone on this board thought they should have for instance)

 

[GhostofJimJess]

It's now into the fourth page of posts on this thread - what's that, 50 odd posts or something - and as yet nobody has even bothered to outline what effect putting a cough lollie on a cricket ball would actually have, except "adding lacquer", or "producing swing".

My point is, most people are so quick to jump on a bandwagon such as this when it promotes their own interests, despite having absolutely no clues about what the effect is that they're actually arguing against!

I'm currently watching Ricky Ponting lick his fingers and shine the ball for his bowler - he's also chewing gum. Our blokes also wipe perspiration onto the ball quite frequently, or sunscreen, amongst other things.

Where's the outrage from those who aren't quite sure what effect these things would have on "lacquer" or "swing" ?

The guys been fined - he's no more of a cheat than Lehmann who got fined for rascist remarks, or Warnie, or Murali whose been cleared of any chucking.

 

[Lowey]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
It's now into the fourth page of posts on this thread - what's that, 50 odd posts or something - and as yet nobody has even bothered to outline what effect putting a cough lollie on a cricket ball would actually have, except "adding lacquer", or "producing swing".

I thought it would be pretty obvious but it seems not. A more scientific explanation would include the fact that adding a lacquer makes one side of the ball smooth and shiny, whilst the other is still rough. Using additional additives that are not sweat or saliva is prohibited, as many of these further enhance the smoothness. Vaseline and cough lollies are two specific examples that most people know is a sure fire way to shine and polish a ball.

-if producing swing isnt up to your standards of explanation, i suggest you undertake a physics degree and find out for yourself as it is pretty common knowledge. I will point out for you though that air travels faster over the shiny side of a cricket ball due to the low resistance and more slowly over the rough side, creating different air pressures on either side. The imbalance of pressures causes the ball to move in the direction of low pressure.

As i said, saliva and sweat are acceptable as written in the laws of cricket. Further additives are not. And outlining what effect it might have on the ball is irrelevant to the point anyway, which is he broke the laws of cricket.