Driving a manual

[bushie]

The problem isn't that it is to easy to drive an automatic.

The problem is it is to easy to get your licence.

Tests should include freeway driving and merging and higher order tasks like that.

So you agree with my logic then??

 

[Hard Ball Get]

So you agree with my logic then??

I agree that the test should be harder but I don't agree that everyone should learn to drive a manual. Why do you need to learn something you may never use?

Freeway driving and merging you WILL do in your driving life.

When I change the channels on a TV I chose to use a remote instead of getting up and changing it manually. Its the same with a car. I drive an automatic instead of doing it manually.

I am a perfectly capable driver and a lot comes down to sensibility on the road not what car you learn in.

 

[bushie]

I agree that the test should be harder but I don't agree that everyone should learn to drive a manual. Why do you need to learn something you may never use?

Freeway driving and merging you WILL do in your driving life.

When I change the channels on a TV I chose to use a remote instead of getting up and changing it manually. Its the same with a car. I drive an automatic instead of doing it manually.

I am a perfectly capable driver and a lot comes down to sensibility on the road not what car you learn in.

I agree with the freeway and merging....and maybe we should throw in a bit of country driving.....and how about how to back a trailer or a caravan..?

And what about what I said before??

Learning to drive a manual increases co-ordination, teaches the new driver multi skilling and gives the driver a better insight into actually "Driving", instead of simply pressing the accelerator and taking off.

There is also the need to use another persons car in an emergency situation.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I agree with the freeway and merging....and maybe we should throw in a bit of country driving.....and how about how to back a trailer or a caravan..?

And what about what I said before??

No I still strongly disagree.

The whole idea of L plates is to practice. Get loads of driving under your belt with family and friends so that you can drive independently. What of those who do not have access to a manual car?

Does that mean they have to fork out $35 for 100 1 hour lessons to get their 100 hours up?
Its illogical and is not reasonable.

 

[bushie]

No I still strongly disagree.

The whole idea of L plates is to practice. Get loads of driving under your belt with family and friends so that you can drive independently. What of those who do not have access to a manual car?

Does that mean they have to fork out $35 for 100 1 hour lessons to get their 100 hours up?
Its illogical and is not reasonable.

I reckon that if the government was fair dinkum about the road toll they would subsidise learner driver education in a far more meaningful way.

Learners would be required to do far more than tonk along a metropolitan street with Mum or Dad as a passanger.

Instead they would be given a FULL grounding in driving in ALL conditions.

And that includes wet weather, dirt roads, fog, towing AND driving both versions of a gearbox.

We all cry when a loved one dies on the roads. However, we are all too happy (as is the government),to send them out on the road as an independent pilot of potential killer machine without any REAL and MEANINGFUL driver education.

 

[VanBerlo=God]

So you agree with my logic then??

im 22, hold a learners permit (would of had it by now if i had a job ) and completely agree with you. It is ridiculously easy to get a license, and melbourne's drivers are some of the worst i've come across.

system now needs log books, mandatory manual lessons unless you are physically unable, atleast some sort of subsidising from the government as a 30-60 minute lesson is rubbish. You need to be driving for at least 2-3 hours minimum each lesson to improve and learn new skills.

They are introducing the mandatory 120 hours, and 1 year minimum on L's after the age of 18 (not applicable to those over 21), but it is still not enough, some of the worst drivers are here in Melbourne.

I reckon that if the government was fair dinkum about the road toll they would subsidise learner driver education in a far more meaningful way.

Learners would be required to do far more than tonk(hehe love that ) along a metropolitan street with Mum or Dad as a passanger.

Instead they would be given a FULL grounding in driving in ALL conditions.

And that includes wet weather, dirt roads, fog, towing AND driving both versions of a gearbox.

We all cry when a loved one dies on the roads. However, we are all too happy (as is the government),to send them out on the road as an independent pilot of potential killer machine without any REAL and MEANINGFUL driver education.

The problem with metropolitan drivers is there are next to no chances to drive in the following conditions: rough uneven terrain, dirt and/or unsealed roads, fog, mist, heavy rain, towing.
Country drivers are marginally better than city drivers, because they drive on basically every road surface and type except inner city with trams before they obtain their license, and most will have had the opportunity to drive bombs on their farms since a young age, thus making them far safer drivers.

I watch some of the people driving around the city and I just shake my head and their stupidity, their level of skill, and the fact that half of melbourne's inhabitants don't deserve a license, and it should be criminal to let them near a car.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I reckon that if the government was fair dinkum about the road toll they would subsidise learner driver education in a far more meaningful way.

Learners would be required to do far more than tonk along a metropolitan street with Mum or Dad as a passanger.

Instead they would be given a FULL grounding in driving in ALL conditions.

And that includes wet weather, dirt roads, fog, towing AND driving both versions of a gearbox.

We all cry when a loved one dies on the roads. However, we are all too happy (as is the government),to send them out on the road as an independent pilot of potential killer machine without any REAL and MEANINGFUL driver education.

How are they going to pay for this?
This would mean longer lessons (in order to drive in various situations) and more of them in order to drive in all scenarios.

This means even greater money is required.
Furthermore it doesn't solve the issue of gaining experience everyday as much as possible. If parents don't own manuals learns can not gain this and I agree that it is not the best way to learn however it is essential so that the learner gains as much driving experience as possible.