Get Rusling out of that backline and get him forward you penis' so we have a player capable of opening up our forward line. For serious.
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Dude, where's my forward line?
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Not really.
It's our structure.
We picked a side who could apply the defensive pressure necessary to stop the Saints, and it worked. However the downside of that strategy is that it left us running into an empty or completely outmanned forwardline, hence our lopsided inside-50 count for a result of 4 goals.
Our kicking was certainly inaccurate, but our scoring shots were always going to be on the run from 40-50m with that structure, which is not necessarily the highest percentage way to score. To make matters worse, when we did take a mark inside 50, we still failed to convert; J-Mac, MacAffer and Cloke missed all their opportunities.
It was a gimmicky strategy that could have worked with better execution, however when Fisher went down and we should have reverted to a more traditional structure and exploited our superior bench rotations, we still delivered it into our forward 50 to the sound of crickets chirping.
Imagine all that space up forward tonight, with Sean Rusling one out in the goal square against his opponent.
I'm just saying is all.
I'm just saying is all.
Im thinking Cloke one on one in the square, with Rusling at CHF. Imagine how effective Cloke would be there, accuracy wouldn't be as much of a problem and he would be spliting packs, providing crumb optiosn to our small fowards. And Rusling quick on the lead at CHF, could be just like Tarrent and Rocca when they were good. I am dreaming here and proberly exagerating how good this would be but hey you gotta have hope.
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I can understand Rusling not playing, after what he's been through the last thing you'd want is to throw him to the lions in a highly physical game of footy against a top side. The real head scratcher is why Dawes wasn't brought in, it was questioned when the side was put up and now the decision looks downright dumb.
I sent this email mid-week to collingwood:
Tell Mick to pump up the boys to watch the collingwood vs geelong game from 2008 where we smashed them by 100 points.
this game is all about 100% pressure, tackling.
Saints hate it with their running ball game, (i figured out how they play and know how to stop them)
PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE and put heart into this game.
Cheers,
Michael
It kinda worked...
Tell Mick to pump up the boys to watch the collingwood vs geelong game from 2008 where we smashed them by 100 points.
this game is all about 100% pressure, tackling.
Saints hate it with their running ball game, (i figured out how they play and know how to stop them)
PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE and put heart into this game.
Cheers,
Michael
It kinda worked...
Our forward line has nothing to do with tonight.
We had our best ball movers out of our team.
BJ and Heath have the highest meters gained at Collingwood last time I checked and we were always going to struggle with slow movement.
We had our best ball movers out of our team.
BJ and Heath have the highest meters gained at Collingwood last time I checked and we were always going to struggle with slow movement.
Do we need a goal kicking coach? WTF should we???????????????
This is rubbish!!!!!!!!!!! every AFL player can kick a ball to a target with no pressure, the goal ump and his area is a target, The problem is mental weakness with most players, watch them at traning, they drill 80% of set shots easily, even Cloke!!!! but a game is different, weak mind weak body!
This is rubbish!!!!!!!!!!! every AFL player can kick a ball to a target with no pressure, the goal ump and his area is a target, The problem is mental weakness with most players, watch them at traning, they drill 80% of set shots easily, even Cloke!!!! but a game is different, weak mind weak body!
Curious, why don't they give Harry a go in the forward line?
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Harry is a defender.
I'd try swapping Cloke, he actually looks quite comfy when his possessions are in the back half.
Just wondered, think Harry is a talent that's all.
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if we loose to the hawks next week im going to burn my membership, it was disgracefull how we played lastnight. ive seen under 10's kick better than that, im ashamed to be a member right now. first we scrape by against melb and than this... we are nothing like our 2002 side, they could kick goals, we need to kick at more than 70% and not many shots were hard by AFL standards
From the moment I heard that Dawes had not been swapped for Fraser, I figured we would lose. Where is the sense taking Anthony from a forward line bereft of good big men? The addition of Dawes would have given us a target and a new structure. This match was lost at the selection table.
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You know, the Hawks are actually a pretty darned good football team. I think you're going to feel pretty stupid either way looking back on that comment.
i think it was just down to poor kicking for goal, other than that you were in contention for a majority of the night, they just came out firing at the end. Surprised to see Medhurst hasn't been having much impact in the forward line unless he has a new role or something?
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This is is already the "wrong" mindset. Why would we pick a side based on "defensive pressure", when everyone knows the best pressure is scoreboard pressure?
As you said, too many times we have been left running back into a forward 50 with just too many St Kilda bodies outnumbering us. You need to have at least 3 "stay at home" forwards at all times IMO. One at FF, one at CHF and one smaller/medium type in between. Structure is just so important.
As for our conversion, the majority were extremely gettable. Off the top of my head, J-Mac x2, Davis running into open goal and hits post, Cloke, Macaffer, Beams, Bally, Wellingham, Swan (choosing to pass 15m out rather than actually shoot) etc. The point is, had we taken some of those chances, the Saints would have been on the back foot and we would have taken complete control of the game.
Sometimes there is just too much focus on "structures". There is nothing wrong with the conventional 6 man forward line set-up- 2-3 key forwards and 3-4 flankers (whichever way). The point is, there always needs to be targets inside 50, not having to "wait" for numbers to get forward. The Jack Attack should be inside 50 at all times and not be used "high up the ground" like he has been in the first two games. (watch the tapes and you will understand what I'm talking about).
We are getting the shots and the ball inside 50 at the moment but we aren't doing it with any fluency at the moment i.e. like we did in round 1. Leroy Brown at FF just won't cut it.
Also, making oppositions loose man in defence accountable wouldn't go astray either i.e. Fisher/Gilbert. It really is amazing how many touches and marks Fisher has taken against us in the last 3-4 encounters.
Dawes cant kick either. I fail to see how he would have made any difference.
The problem is it's infectious. Once you get on a roll of behinds its hard to break, confidence goes down across the board. I'm not sure what the answer is, jack can atleast kick straight, maybe would have helped break the run of behinds and shift the momentum. Hope he has a blinder in the vfl.
Lets just hope we dont see that bad kicking for goal ever again.
The problem is it's infectious. Once you get on a roll of behinds its hard to break, confidence goes down across the board. I'm not sure what the answer is, jack can atleast kick straight, maybe would have helped break the run of behinds and shift the momentum. Hope he has a blinder in the vfl.
Lets just hope we dont see that bad kicking for goal ever again.
Yes flooding doesn't help our scoring when all our forwards are in the defensive side of the ground, and when we get the rebound have no one to kick to.
However there were numerous and numerous times when the Saints had flooded our 50, and yes we had players in the forward 50 and yet we just bombed it long to the top of the square to a 3v1. The fact that Gilbert had 20 marks, and only 1 contested, Fisher with 10, Baker with 12, and Blake with 13 pretty much sums up the delivery into our forward 50. We used the same bomb long strategy against Melbourne, our players at least need to kick to a 1 v 1 if they are kicking into the forward 50, blindly kicking it long without spotting up a player is pointless.
