Eating red meat, yes or no?

[mcuzzy]

would like some scientific wizz bang stuff in here for pros and cons.

I eat it because iron, protein and omega 3, but many are telling me I can get enough of that elsewhere with healthier options.

Go

 

[JG22]

Eat it but not that often, maybe 2-3 times a week

Smash the white meats for the protein

 

[Aeglos]

Important to differentiate between red meat and processed meat as in research literature there is quite a difference between the 2 in regards to potential negative “side effects”

 

[Bazzar]

Nothing wrong with eating red meat everyday. The recent BS vegan cancer/meat propaganda was just 2, yes only 2 case control studies, but the prospective studies, the ones that have been overlooked for this media hype, show no significant associations with red meat (or bacon) and cancer

 

[PoppedCorn]

The mrs cooked lamb back strap this morn
It will last about four small meals this week for work with salad and thats my intake for prob 4 weeks

 

[Training Mad]

I ate 2.3kg of red meat today alone and probably around 85kg of red meat over the last 56days on nequalsmany

 

[Eaglespur]

I ate 2.3kg of red meat today alone and probably around 85kg of red meat over the last 56days on nequalsmany

does that make you feel good brah?

 

[Eaglespur]

Do what makes you happy and brings the most love into his realm we live in.

I personally havent eaten red meat for over two years

 

[Training Mad]

does that make you feel good brah?

Yes I'm feeling great

 

[juss]

There are studies that link red meat with bowel cancer, but there are studies that link a lot of other things with a lot of other diseases too, so just be aware and make your own decision.

Avoiding processed goods where possible is also advised, but it depends how much you care.

 

[Bazzar]

There are studies that link red meat with bowel cancer, but there are studies that link a lot of other things with a lot of other diseases too, so just be aware and make your own decision.

Avoiding processed goods where possible is also advised, but it depends how much you care.

Need to factor in those 2 studies linking red meat were only case control studies, and even then it was only processed meat not actual red meat. There's also more reliable prospective studies that show no significant associations with red meat (or bacon) and cancer

 

[Aeglos]

Need to factor in those 2 studies linking red meat were only case control studies, and even then it was only processed meat not actual red meat. There's also more reliable prospective studies that show no significant associations with red meat (or bacon) and cancer

It’s also extremely difficult to account for other lifestyle factors eg vegetarians and vegans on the whole are likely to be more health conscious than the rest of the population so you’d expect them to live longer irrespective of meat consumption.
I can’t remember what they were investigating, but there was a study done (or someone made a claim) comparing Amish vs Western (iirc) that wanted to pin point higher life expectancy one one factor (and this facor wasn’t higher physical activity rates, or decrease/negligible tobacco use and alcohol consumption)

 

[Bazzar]

It’s also extremely difficult to account for other lifestyle factors eg vegetarians and vegans on the whole are likely to be more health conscious than the rest of the population so you’d expect them to live longer irrespective of meat consumption.
I can’t remember what they were investigating, but there was a study done (or someone made a claim) comparing Amish vs Western (iirc) that wanted to pin point higher life expectancy one one factor (and this facor wasn’t higher physical activity rates, or decrease/negligible tobacco use and alcohol consumption)

Are you thinking of the 7 Blue Zones? Loma Linda were Seventh Day Adventists and fitted that category, no drugs, smoking, booze or anything unhealthy

 

[Aeglos]

Are you thinking of the 7 Blue Zones? Loma Linda were Seventh Day Adventists and fitted that category, no drugs, smoking, booze or anything unhealthy

Nah it was definitely Amish
I’m almost certain it was posted in the Diet/Nutrition thread here earlier in the year.
One of the veg-guys posted it and it end up turning into a flame war where a few guys got suspended

 

[saj_21]

Need to factor in those 2 studies linking red meat were only case control studies, and even then it was only processed meat not actual red meat. There's also more reliable prospective studies that show no significant associations with red meat (or bacon) and cancer

Layne Norton did a good video on this when WHO realised their findings. I'm paraphrasing here but they claimed it was an 18% increase but that as on the back the real increase was 5% to 6%.

If you search his youtube channel its easy enough to find.

 

[juss]

Need to factor in those 2 studies linking red meat were only case control studies, and even then it was only processed meat not actual red meat. There's also more reliable prospective studies that show no significant associations with red meat (or bacon) and cancer

I think there are more than 2 studies that link red meat to an increased risk of bowel cancer, however there are probably also studies that discount it, although I havent read them. Studies arent perfect, its not an overwhelmingly obvious link like smoking and cancer.

 

[Bazzar]

I think there are more than 2 studies that link red meat to an increased risk of bowel cancer, however there are probably also studies that discount it, although I havent read them. Studies arent perfect, its not an overwhelmingly obvious link like smoking and cancer.

No one to my knowledge have been able to produce more than 2. Even WHO only produced 2 when they put the warning out.

 

[juss]

No one to my knowledge have been able to produce more than 2. Even WHO only produced 2 when they put the warning out.

Is the China study one of the 2?
Or is that not relevant?

 

[Bazzar]

Is the China study one of the 2?
Or is that not relevant?

China study isn't a study, its a vegan fairytale. Campbell cherry picked references from other studies. His cancer concern was casein

 

[Martyn_30_]

There's a correlation between red meat and cancer but that's really only due to other lifestyle factors. The more red meat someone eats the more likely they are to eat more of everything, smoke, drink too much and not exercise enough.


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[Gralin]

I've had steak and lamb this week, will probably have bacon tomorrow for breakfast

I like red meat so I eat it, it's delicious

It's probably better for the environment if we stopped eating beef, based on the impact cows and grazing have on the environment but I'm not sure how bad a steak really is for you

 

[PoppedCorn]

How's it going Training Mad?
Still going or is the study over?

 

[saj_21]

For those playing along at home, WHO the same organisation that announced this recommendation also just reneged on having Robert Mugabe as an ambassador......go figure

 

[Training Mad]

How's it going Training Mad?
Still going or is the study over?

Going well day 71 today and feeling strong

 

[PoppedCorn]

Fair effort to eat mainly meat for over two months
Are you sneaking anything else in?
What fluids do you ingest...just water???