News Eddie McGuire to step down end of 2021

[foreigner]

Seems he’s still not getting it. In relation to his statement that yesterday was a proud day ““I did not, I did not mean we were proud of past incidents of racism and the hurt that had caused. It’s been interpreted widely that way and I regret that deeply.” By qualifying his statement it’s yet another attempt at avoiding responsibility by foisting it on others over there interpretation. Even when attempting to put out another one of his fires he refuses to ******* own it!

‘I got it wrong’: McGuire says he regrets comments on racism report

Collingwood Football Club president Eddie McGuire has told club faithful that he “got it wrong” when he called the tabling of the historic report into racism at the AFL club a “proud day”.

www.theage.com.au

It would also seem that his clarification wouldn’t have come about without a phone call from Gil. It’s going to be a long year...

He has quite a history of seemingly trying to own something but then qualifiying it something more idiotic. Just goes on to show that he is not genuine.

 

[MyManLynch]

No signature from me.

 

[jonmacTrag]

The facts are that he said it was a ‘proud day’. That in itself is deplorable.

Keep back pedaling sunshine but watch out for the speed bumps of facts.

 

[Scodog10]

He has quite a history of seemingly trying to own something but then qualifiying it something more idiotic. Just goes on to show that he is not genuine.

Yeah it’s like the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He isn’t sorry for having it in there he’s sorry for being caught...

 

[jmac70]

Seems he’s still not getting it. In relation to his statement that yesterday was a proud day ““I did not, I did not mean we were proud of past incidents of racism and the hurt that had caused. It’s been interpreted widely that way and I regret that deeply.” By qualifying his statement it’s yet another attempt at avoiding responsibility by foisting it on others over there interpretation. Even when attempting to put out another one of his fires he refuses to ******* own it!

‘I got it wrong’: McGuire says he regrets comments on racism report

Collingwood Football Club president Eddie McGuire has told club faithful that he “got it wrong” when he called the tabling of the historic report into racism at the AFL club a “proud day”.

www.theage.com.au

It would also seem that his clarification wouldn’t have come about without a phone call from Gil. It’s going to be a long year...

The uncomfortable truth is that Ed doesn’t really believe the report. He’ll try and appear contrite but it’s all just lip service.
His reputation is in tatters and will continue to impact the club.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

Keep back pedaling sunshine but watch out for the speed bumps of facts.

Sunshine, I like it. Just woken up and the sun is shining too. On top of that I also hear magpies calling. What a start to the day.

Trump and Eddie are both ego maniacs that is for certain. They are very different, one lives in the media the other despises it.

Eddie is the problem with this issue. He should have resigned or taken more responsibility for the King Kong Gaffe. Like Trump would have he didn;t.
The boards judgement in appointing not 1 but 2 activists who see racism every where is not something Trump would be stupid enough to do. I have no problem the club getting in people to genuinely investigate (Harry clearly has a case and maybe others) but make sure they are fair minded. These two aren't fair minded you only need 1 minute to google them or visit their twitter. I view them as bad as getting Pauline Hanson to do the review from the other side.

Difference with Trump and Eddie is Trump has no friends. This was a strength and a weakness. People hated him but voted for him because he wasnt part of an established network of political corruption. I am not saying he is not corrupt I wouldnt trust him as far as i can throw him. He was an outsider away from the corruption of Bush/Clinton. Eddie's strength is he has lots of friends and is a networker. Its why Eddie has lasted longer.

Both Trump and Eddie have done some great things. (despite how the media may play things up) It is time for both Trump and Eddie to go (They've both warn me out) but the one thing from that is you need the right replacement and not a puppet for someone else as Biden currently is. Dems opted for the corrupt political yes man (with dementia) who would serve those around him first instead of the country when they could have gone for someone who put the country first in Gabbard. We need the person who will lead 100% clubs interest not someone elses vision. We need to replace Eddie with the right person. It is not easy. Eddie adds a lot of value in a lot of areas. His issue is he is an ego maniac and control freak. He is a good talker when he isn't talking himself into trouble. We need to find a person who is not a puppet for Eddie but who Eddie can work with and still provide the value he does to the club.

As much as you may love or hate both Trump or Eddie the world will be a lot less interesting without these two at the helm.

 

[manicpie]

We either go through the season with this thing hanging over our heads with Ed, which would just draw so much more heat, or we go through it without him, it's much harder for the media and politicians to attack us without the figurehead and the man who is ultimately responsible for where we are today if he is not associated with the club anymore.

 

[Scodog10]

The uncomfortable truth is that Ed doesn’t really believe the report. He’ll try and appear contrite but it’s all just lip service.
His reputation is in tatters and will continue to impact the club.

That’s probably a little further than I’m prepared to go, but I get it. My take would be that his aim was for 2021 to be a farewell tour with him getting all these acknowledgments and plaudits. Whereas now he’s probably thinking I’ve got this to deal with...

Read this thread from the start and you’ll still find hardcore supporters of his that were adamant we couldn’t find someone fit to wipe his arse let alone replace him as president. Now it’s a case of finding someone that isn’t a racist bigot!

It’s amazing too that I can identify four occasions where they could have protected the brand by approaching it differently and on each occasion they stuffed up because they wanted to protect the brand:

1) Deal with it appropriately when Lumumba first came forward.
2) Deal with it when Lumumba spoke up in June.
3) Deal with it when the report was first tabled
4) Deal with it properly on Monday

Perhaps on reflection even Lumumba may have approached this topic differently if he had his time over again in 2014, but it was a missed opportunity especially in June. It may have been as simple as holding an open forum for people to tell their truth. Yeah it would have been hard, but not as hard as Monday. The other two speak for themselves.

The other massive cause for concern is the fan base. Some of the stuff from Domus, Copeland and others (I’m hesitant to name because I can’t remember 100% and do not want to get it wrong I know they were two though) strongly suggests that out of everything that’s happened since Monday there remains a rogue element to our supporter base unwilling to yield.

What happens on match day when someone yells a racist slur in a Covid induced half empty stadium that goes largely unheard? Because of the way the club responded do people do the right thing and report it or do they ponder the wider ramifications of the club getting dragged through the coals again?..

 

[jmac70]

That’s probably a little further than I’m prepared to go, but I get it. My take would be that his aim was for 2021 to be a farewell tour with him getting all these acknowledgments and plaudits. Whereas now he’s probably thinking I’ve got this to deal with...

Read this thread from the start and you’ll still find hardcore supporters of his that were adamant we couldn’t find someone fit to wipe his arse let alone replace him as president. Now it’s a case of finding someone that isn’t a racist bigot!

It’s amazing too that I can identify four occasions where they could have protected the brand by approaching it differently and on each occasion they stuffed up because they wanted to protect the brand:

1) Deal with it appropriately when Lumumba first came forward.
2) Deal with it when Lumumba spoke up in June.
3) Deal with it when the report was first tabled
4) Deal with it properly on Monday

Perhaps on reflection even Lumumba may have approached this topic differently if he had his time over again in 2014, but it was a missed opportunity especially in June. It may have been as simple as holding an open forum for people to tell their truth. Yeah it would have been hard, but not as hard as Monday. The other two speak for themselves.

The other massive cause for concern is the fan base. Some of the stuff from Domus, Copeland and others (I’m hesitant to name because I can’t remember 100% and do not want to get it wrong I know they were two though) strongly suggests that out of everything that’s happened since Monday there remains a rogue element to our supporter base unwilling to yield.

What happens on match day when someone yells a racist slur in a Covid induced half empty stadium that goes largely unheard? Because of the way the club responded do people do the right thing and report it or do they ponder the wider ramifications of the club getting dragged through the coals again?..

Absolutely agree, and whilst Ed remains so will that rogue element.

 

[PieNSauce]

As much as I will be happy when his presidency ends, there will be no signature from me. Eddie has occasionally gotten things wrong and occasionally very wrong but on most occasions his issues have been mistakes that anyone could make. There are of course notable exceptions but given his contribution to the club over many years, I would prefer to see his presidency end on his own terms especially given that Ed has been fairly quick to recognise his error and apologise.

 

[foreigner]

How many threads do we need on Eddie McGuire and all the recent “racism” reports....

let’s focus on the year ahead and training/players!

Be nice if mods could close all these threads.

What season? It's going to be a train wreck, just you wait and see

 

[foreigner]

Personally I’m not interested in wasting my time talking about him stepping down or not because I think it’s fairly obvious that he won’t. But I do wonder if Gil/AFL would mandate it if this continues.

The AFL has been a PR nightmare for the best part of 12 months, the last thing it can afford to do is have this muppet continually pour gasoline on a raging bushfire at one of the largest clubs in Australia, over the biggest societal issue in the world right now which is more publicised than ever.

It’s getting to the point of everyone’s best interest that he isn’t there, if this was the CEO of a major company he’d be out yesterday, the NBA forced Donald Sterling to sell his team over repeated racial incidents, the AFL should be doing the same, I just think Gil would be too weak to do it.

I think Gil instigated yesterday's response from him, saying he 'regrets' the words used. Ed is quite an influential and powerful figure, so I am not sure even Gil or the AFL will go to the extent of asking him to step down.

As such it is up to Ed to step down on his own volition. Unfortunately he doesn't seen to realize that the writing is on the wall. He is hurting the club and is not acting in the best interest of the club. When we start losing games (which we will) there will be more pressure.

It is time people, including Ed sympathizers here, realize that the club is bigger than anyone, however great or however influential they may be.

 

[PieNSauce]

I can't agree that Ed should stand down early. I accept that the preparation and delivery of the club's response was very poor to say the least albeit that it was rushed due to the early leaking of the report. That said, I believe that Eddie totally understands that the response was poor and delivered the wrong message.

What irks me is that people are still failing to recognise the courage of the club, led by Eddie in opening itself up to total scrutiny in an area that was never going to shine a positive light on it. I personally believe that this alone outweighs any failure in speech writing.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

Oh dear - what happened? Get stuck in a YouTube flat earther/QAnon rabbit hole? Are you going to protest the vaccine when it arrives?

*cringe*. Grow up!

 

[kickitolachie]

We are an ungrateful lot. McGuire rebuilt our club when it was on its last legs.
Collingwood under his leadership actually instituted an inquiry into itself, and is prepared to take the fallout from an adverse finding, albeit one that does no more than reiterate known failings. Has any other club been prepared to do this? Not that I've noticed.
Eddie McGuire has always spoken first and thought afterwards, often to his detriment, but usually with good effect in his media career. His rivals are quick to pounce on his errors. We should not be among the Mark Robinson followers.
Trump is an evil man. Eddie McGuire is not. Trump was prepared to destroy his country to get his way. McGuire is motivated by love of Collingwood, and takes every kind of hit to defend it. The contrast could not be more stark.
So end the cheap shots that do us no credit. Let him go quietly into the night.

 

[jackcass]

I would suggest that the author of the review is either unaware of the meaning of the word "systemic" or failed in their task to thoroughly investigate claims if an indigenous player said they were not subjected to any racism nor witness any and that individual was not interviewed (or their lack of racist experience noted).

Hard to know without having the full contributions of all 30 participants. Was Armstrong even a participant?

 

[jackcass]

Clearly there have been.

Really? What were they?

 

[ZEV]

Hard to know without having the full contributions of all 30 participants. Was Armstrong even a participant?

He stated he wasn’t a participant. He stated that he experienced or witnessed no racism at collingwood. He stated because Lumumbs said so, that their was systemic racism at collingwood.

 

[Scodog10]

I can't agree that Ed should stand down early. I accept that the preparation and delivery of the club's response was very poor to say the least albeit that it was rushed due to the early leaking of the report. That said, I believe that Eddie totally understands that the response was poor and delivered the wrong message.

What irks me is that people are still failing to recognise the courage of the club, led by Eddie in opening itself up to total scrutiny in an area that was never going to shine a positive light on it. I personally believe that this alone outweighs any failure in speech writing.

Are you able to clarify this one? How exactly was it an early leak? The club had the report for 6 weeks and the leak was without question strategic coming just 24 hrs before the AGM. The club was due the benefit of the doubt prior to the presser, but that shambles firmly indicated they weren’t even bringing it up at the AGM.

Also how is it courageous to instigate a review on the basis of allegations from a former employer? The courageous thing to do was speak their truth publicly and acknowledge Lumumba was racially vilified during his time with the club. Rather than attempting to keep it in house in order to protect the brand. They could have then reaffirmed the actions we’ve undertaken since then and what our plans to do are in the future. If they did that there’d be no court case...

There’s also absolutely no way the review is undertaken without Lumumba lighting a fire up the boards arse and it was the bare minimum response. Lumumba is the one out of all this that was courageous and is due more respect. Thankfully he’ll get it as time goes by because as he said he’s on the right side of history.

 

[Len Smith Medallist]

Really? What were they?

Participants are all given anonymity in the report. However there are numerous comments such as "...this observation came most often from people who had experienced racism within the Club...". As Héritier was not a participant, there must be others.

 

[PieNSauce]

Are you able to clarify this one? How exactly was it an early leak? The club had the report for 6 weeks and the leak was without question strategic coming just 24 hrs before the AGM. The club was due the benefit of the doubt prior to the presser, but that shambles firmly indicated they weren’t even bringing it up at the AGM.

Also how is it courageous to instigate a review on the basis of allegations from a former employer? The courageous thing to do was speak their truth publicly and acknowledge Lumumba was racially vilified during his time with the club. Rather than attempting to keep it in house in order to protect the brand. They could have then reaffirmed the actions we’ve undertaken since then and what our plans to do are in the future. If they did that there’d be no court case...

There’s also absolutely no way the review is undertaken without Lumumba lighting a fire up the boards arse and it was the bare minimum response. Lumumba is the one out of all this that was courageous and is due more respect. Thankfully he’ll get it as time goes by because as he said he’s on the right side of history.

I'm not familiar with the club's intended timetable for the release of the report and nor am I aware of any evidence that the leaking of it was strategic and so I am basing that on what has been reported alone. If you have evidence to the contrary I'm happy to change my opinion.

I am certainly not suggesting that the previous actions of the club were courageous but I can't see how it can be denied that this action was. I don't believe that in the past the club would have allowed itself to be examined so critically and publicly. I'm quite happy for you to hold your own opinion and clearly you hold it strongly but I just happen to disagree.

Where we do agree is that Lumumba's action was very courageous and I am very pleased that he will get his day in court. That is as it should be.

 

[Scodog10]

I'm not familiar with the club's intended timetable for the release of the report and nor am I aware of any evidence that the leaking of it was strategic and so I am basing that on what has been reported alone. If you have evidence to the contrary I'm happy to change my opinion.

I am certainly not suggesting that the previous actions of the club were courageous but I can't see how it can be denied that this action was. I don't believe that in the past the club would have allowed itself to be examined so critically and publicly. I'm quite happy for you to hold your own opinion and clearly you hold it strongly but I just happen to disagree.

Where we do agree is that Lumumba's action was very courageous and I am very pleased that he will get his day in court. That is as it should be.

My evidence is that the report was tabled in December. An early leak would have been pre Christmas which would not have afforded the club appropriate time to address the report. What evidence supports your view that it was early?

I’m in the same boat as you and happy to accept your opinion. We’re a broad church it’s what makes us unique I’m more seeking to understand what made that act courageous? A review of what we would have done previously is not a qualifier of this as a courageous act because we surely all realise that we have been woefully inept at addressing these issues in the past. Improving on ineptitude is not itself an act of courage...

 

[sideswipe]

My evidence is that the report was tabled in December. An early leak would have been pre Christmas which would not have afforded the club appropriate time to address the report. What evidence supports your view that it was early?

I’m in the same boat as you and happy to accept your opinion. We’re a broad church it’s what makes us unique I’m more seeking to understand what made that act courageous? A review of what we would have done previously is not a qualifier of this as a courageous act because we surely all realise that we have been woefully inept at addressing these issues in the past. Improving on ineptitude is not itself an act of courage...

Whilst I am not a huge fan of the somewhat flowery language the writers used in the review, they did describe its commissioning as follows:

"It was a brave first step that few would have the courage to take and shows the seriousness with which the Club takes the issue."

 

[jackcass]

Participants are all given anonymity in the report. However there are numerous comments such as "...this observation came most often from people who had experienced racism within the Club...". As Héritier was not a participant, there must be others.

I'm not disputing our history, I'm questioning the chronology of those claims. What are the recent incidents, those post Heritier's departure?

 

[PieNSauce]

My evidence is that the report was tabled in December. An early leak would have been pre Christmas which would not have afforded the club appropriate time to address the report. What evidence supports your view that it was early?

I’m in the same boat as you and happy to accept your opinion. We’re a broad church it’s what makes us unique I’m more seeking to understand what made that act courageous? A review of what we would have done previously is not a qualifier of this as a courageous act because we surely all realise that we have been woefully inept at addressing these issues in the past. Improving on ineptitude is not itself an act of courage...

As I said earlier, I'm not privy to what the club's timetable was and in fact I was not aware of its tabling date. I was simply quoting the media in stating that it was leaked before its intended release date. As such, I'm not claiming definitive evidence. I can't disagree that the club has had a reasonable time to prepare a more considered response and the reasons why it had not is a mystery to me. I refuse to believe that the way Eddie's "pride" comments were interpreted represent the message he would have preferred to send although most people have railed at the inappropriateness of his words.

Nobody is going to suggest that the response that Eddie made was acceptable, and he has admitted that. In terms of why I believe the commissioning of the report was courageous, I can simply state that I believe the club could potentially have made some statements and put some practices in place which may or may not have addressed the core of the problem purely as a way to shut down the discussion. The fact that it chose to lay itself bare for the world to see suggests to me an element of courage especially when I believe that the problem exists in many sporting clubs and not just Collingwood.

I'm certainly not looking to defend the club's handling of every aspect of this issue, I simply think that the report is a good first step and I think we all hope that it leads to real tangible change. That Eddie can be utterly inept at times is not something new or in dispute.