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Also, the words Daniel Kerr should be pointed out. Taken pick 18 in the 2000 draft. We need every single pick possible.[/QUOTE]

That's one since 2000. Others have been

2001: Shane Harvey
2002: KRIS SHORE
2003: LLANE SPAANDERMAN
2004: Cameron Wood
2005: Max Bailey

Would it be worth any of those players?
 
That is not the point. This is supposed to be a deep draft and very good players have been picked after pick 18 in the past.

With recruiting becoming more precise each year, I'd rather have draft pick 18 than no pick or one at about 70.
 

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you know what the beauty of it is?

whether you want to win no more games or want to win every game ... we can't control that. You will cause yourself a lot less stress if you simply sit back, support your club, try and enjoy the last few matches watching our youngsters develop and what will be ... will be.
 
4blues said:
Nothing about anyone being promoted on carlton website.
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im sure the same thing happened last year with ohailpin, no one really knew he had even been promoted until he was named emergency against richmond.

he then went onto play that game
 
4blues said:
Nothing about anyone being promoted on carlton website.
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Apologies everyone, Jesse Smith HAS been promoted, just read the article on carltonfc.com.au
Congratulations Jesse your hard work has paid off.
 
Emerging rookie-listed midfielder Jesse Smith has been elevated to Carlton’s senior list this week after his impressive performances with the Northern Bullants.

Smith, will be named on Carlton’s extended interchange bench ahead of Sunday’s match against the Hawks at the MCG.


A young midfielder Smith was given his first full season of senior football at VFL level with the Northern Bullants last year and was retained in 2006 as a second year rookie.

Smith is a ball magnet who goes hard at the contest. His continued development has been on show with the Northern Bullants throughout the 2006 season after missing a large majority of the pre-season following a torn pectoral muscle in the team’s final weights session prior to last years Christmas break.

"We’ve elevated Jesse Smith to the senior list and he is in consideration for senior selection this week. We will finalise our team following training on Friday afternoon," Carlton Coach Denis Pagan told carltonfc.com.au.
 
So we get a PP at pick 18... will that kid enable us to win more games next season??? perhaps no. Can you guarantee that the PP will be 100% up to playing a senior game at all, or consistantly?

We may get a good pickup at 18 but the chances of that kid playing a great year next year is not 100%.

We need a good year next year for memberships and sponsorships. To do that we have to look at the now and the things that are holding us back.

I think we most can agree one of the things that held us back was that self-belief that we could win. We instill that belief in these final 4 games, it will cause that domino effect and things will flow better from that than 1 PP.
 
I have been waiting for about two years and finally i will be able to see him in the navy blue. I have been a big fan of his ever since he was at the Calder Cannons. I have no doubt he could make a difference. He will add more depth to our midfield.
 

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Pafloyul said:
That is not the point. This is supposed to be a deep draft and very good players have been picked after pick 18 in the past.

With recruiting becoming more precise each year, I'd rather have draft pick 18 than no pick or one at about 70.
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Very good players have been picked up at 70.
 
jj1978 said:
So we get a PP at pick 18... will that kid enable us to win more games next season??? perhaps no. Can you guarantee that the PP will be 100% up to playing a senior game at all, or consistantly?

We may get a good pickup at 18 but the chances of that kid playing a great year next year is not 100%.

We need a good year next year for memberships and sponsorships. To do that we have to look at the now and the things that are holding us back.
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Can you guarantee that will happen if we win only one more game?

Why didn't they sign up this year when we won 18 points last year?

Sponsors were also hard to come by.
I think we most can agree one of the things that held us back was that self-belief that we could win. We instill that belief in these final 4 games, it will cause that domino effect and things will flow better from that than 1 PP.
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What happens if we lose the next three games by 5 goals?

Was that win worth losing another player?

If we win 3.5 games it could be

IN:Schmidt(for example)
OUT:Hack

If we win 4.5 games that player could potentially stay on the list because he's better than pick no 70-90. The recruiters now have a lot more information available than when they picked up players late and have improved their strike rate. For every Grant, Hird or Fisher you draft late, I think you're more likely to draft a C.Croad, Norman, Joe Allen or Richard Kelly.

You'll rarely see a Livingston being drafted in the top four anymore.

Austin Lucy was drafted at 70 last year despite being another lightning quick KPP.

Finishing fourteenth would practically hand Hansen to the Hawks if keep winning, sponsors and members like gun players more than wins in a wasted year.
 
cypher said:
Finishing fourteenth would practically hand Hansen to the Hawks if keep winning, sponsors and members like gun players more than wins in a wasted year.
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That would explain why in 2005 when we had won 10 games including the last 2 + the Wiz cup we had 33,000 members, while this year with 4.5 wins + Murphy, Kennedy etc we have 28,000.:rolleyes:
 
BlueWorld said:
while this year with 4.5 wins + Murphy, Kennedy etc we have 28,000.:rolleyes:
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And one more win for the seasonand three losses will have us better that? ;)

That's the argument of a few on here and that just doesn't wash.

Drafting kids and promoting them like Richmond did (unlike Carlton last year) could increase your membership as much as fluff wins to convince the clueless supporters we're back. :rolleyes:

2005 all over again.

Who wants to watch McGrath, Deluca and Mclaren run around again?

Drafting quality kids are our future.

See how it difficult it is to do a phantom draft this year before you say another pick is useless and likely to flop. :rolleyes:

You wouldn't be happy if we traded our second pick for Aker because you're guaranteed to get at least three years of service.
 
cypher said:
Finishing fourteenth would practically hand Hansen to the Hawks if keep winning, sponsors and members like gun players more than wins in a wasted year.
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Hawks are just as likely to take Gumbleton as Hansen.
 
cypher said:
And one more win for the seasonand three losses will have us better that? ;)

That's the argument of a few on here and that just doesn't wash.

Drafting kids and promoting them like Richmond did (unlike Carlton last year) could increase your membership as much as fluff wins to convince the clueless supporters we're back. :rolleyes:

2005 all over again.

Who wants to watch McGrath, Deluca and Mclaren run around again?

Drafting quality kids are our future.

See how it difficult it is to do a phantom draft this year before you say another pick is useless and likely to flop. :rolleyes:

You wouldn't be happy if we traded our second pick for Aker because you're guaranteed to get at least three years of service.
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You think if we lose every remaining game and end up with just the 3.5 wins we'll get more members? Drafting Murphy, Kennedy etc didn't get 5000 people to sign up this year. Why will next year be different? It will be picks 1/2 and 17/18, not 1 & 4. Aker would get more members to sign up than an unknown kid who is not guaranteed of lasting 3 years anyway.
 

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