Essendon has now recieved the interim ASADA Investigation Report

[Kavliaris69]

Not sure they'll lose awards/brownlow etc, but the club will sure be tainted. It will be a decade before Bombers fans stop hearing about this.. Even if they just get a slap on the wrist!

Rightly or wrongly, Hird's reputation is permanently ruined as well.

All cycling cheats in the past have been stripped of any wins/awards during the period they were doping. Contador was the most recent winner to have his stripped after the investigation was done.

Whether they knew or not they should still be taken back if they are guilty of taking banned substances.

Hird should have stepped down 6 mths ago. He was responsible for the department and player welfare. But you know how it is, the Golden Boy of EFC can do no wrong.

 

[hoianbulldog]

It isn't that simple either

AOD isnt specifically banned only s0 banned, but there is controversy about its status last year and whether it can be used in Australia without being caught by s0.

Saad tested positive for a specifically banned substance

There isn't any controversy MXETT. The only hopenefc have on aod is if ASADA gave them the go ahead to use it which seems less likely as the saga drags on. As you know asada have denied giving the okay.

If EFC have pumped aod without permission then they are screwed, you know that deep down I am sure.

 

[Vtorians]

Reckon the players & staff will be ok, the club will take the whack.

 

[hoianbulldog]

Reckon the players & staff will be ok, the club will take the whack.

you have already lost 5 staff members, and the report hasn't been released yet. If that okay then I'll go he for tiggy.

 

[Percel]

Are you kidding me ?

You think it is as clear cut as a 6 module online course and all is covered in it

Like Eddie McGuire I just spat my cornflakes across the room

Did you conduct a raid on your cornflakes box prior to ingesting?

 

[mxett]

There isn't any controversy MXETT. The only hopenefc have on aod is if ASADA gave them the go ahead to use it which seems less likely as the saga drags on. As you know asada have denied giving the okay.

If EFC have pumped aod without permission then they are screwed, you know that deep down I am sure.

No, no controversy at all, except for the ongoing discussion for months, WADA clarifying its status which is very odd, AD saying the status is unclear, the ACC report, the advice from ASADA to other organisations as stated by GW....

 

[hoianbulldog]

I don't care that Caro has a speech impediment, and I'm sure no-one else does either.

Typos then?

 

[Vtorians]

you have already lost 5 staff members, and the report hasn't been released yet. If that okay then I'll go he for tiggy.

Yep & that will be it.

 

[hoianbulldog]

No, no controversy at all, except for the ongoing discussion for months, WADA clarifying its status which is very odd, AD saying the status is unclear, the ACC report, the advice from ASADA to other organisations as stated by GW....

Advice from asada is the only controversy if it exists, which of course they have denied. They rest is simply irrelevant.

 

[teknodeejay]

My thourtheth have revealed that the interim report ith in fact just 400 pageth of tranthcripth from Big Footy'th Hot Topic board.

My thourtheth have altho revealed that the AFL planth to award BF posterth Lance Uppercut and mxett with plum roleth at AFL houthe for their over & above commitment to the cauthe ,and that Vlad needed to take a break from all thingth Footy after realithing what the football public really thinkth of him when peruthing the draft.

You are without a doubt a drop kick. It must be hard having no friends.

 

[Seeds]

I can't imagine any players being banned, it just seems too harsh to destroy a list of players that didn't try to cheat and have been duped by a dubious biochemist and let down by those in charge of their well being

But they will have to be the only ones that have ever get off under these circumstances in any sport anywhere in the world, and that's hard to imagine too

How do we even know this though? Sure they say they don't. But so does every drug cheat in history once they record a positive sample. What makes the Essendon players any different? Strict liability has to apply.

 

[rayven]

Athlete has strict liability.

That is all.

Every athlete is responsible for the substances that enter their body. Athletes are also responsible for any method they undertake.

http://www.asada.gov.au/substances/index.html

 

[Seeds]

you're confused. Dank never said the players used hex

But isn't Dank an evil liar who has caused all this pain on your club? How can we believe anything he says if he is the scapegoat?

 

[Seeds]

You state "strict liability" but what if WADA referred EFC to ASADA and they gave the green light ?

ASADA didn't give the green light though. All they said was it was not banned under S2 (SO2 whatever it is called). It appears that they just forgot to mention it was banned under the other part. That is not a green light. Bad advice. But not a green light.

 

[Seeds]

Yep & that will be it.

But if you did nothing wrong then why were they sacked at all? Surely the would have a right to take action.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Typos then?

As the post has clearly offended you I've edited it. Perhaps you should remove the quote from yours as well if it's that offensive.

I was taking the piss out of this board and the media's reporting of this story by posting such that it was read in the voice of a well known journalist who generally opens with "my sources reveal" and speaks with a subtle lisp. I apologise unreservedly for any offense taken.

 

[weevil]

Advice from asada is the only controversy if it exists, which of course they have denied. They rest is simply irrelevant.

That is not correct. They gave Essendon completely misleading, incomplete advice. They have not denied this.

If an attempt was made to suspend players based on ASADA’s mistake Essendon’s lawyers would be lining up to smash it out of the park.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

But isn't Dank an evil liar who has caused all this pain on your club? How can we believe anything he says if he is the scapegoat?

why don't you try reading the posts?

Do you think that might be a good idea?

Why don't you do that, and come back and edit your comment when you work out the significance of me mentioning what Dank said in the context of the conversation.

 

[brazilblue]

Getting my marshmallows ready.
Burn baby burn.

 

[Laphroaig]

Even if ASADA said that they were legal?

Give it up. There is ONE definite on the record version of this. ASADA/WADA are united. Not legal no how no way. No advice ever given to the contrary.

When weighed up against "its ok because one of the blokes who we blame for all those things we didn't do says he had advice it was OK. "

Hmmmm. Which do we choose?

 

[hoianbulldog]

That is not correct. They gave Essendon completely misleading, incomplete advice. They have not denied this.

If an attempt was made to suspend players based on ASADA’s mistake Essendon’s lawyers would be lining up to smash it out of the park.

My understanding is that they have stated they have never given anyone approval for aod. That of course isn't denying they gave misleading or incomplete advice.
Without knowing exactly what advice was given we are all flying blind but I do agree that the EFC lawyers would be lining up if their case is strong enough.

 

[Bombfire]

A certain line of enquiry is being ramped up.

 

[IanW]

That is not correct. They gave Essendon completely misleading, incomplete advice. They have not denied this.

If an attempt was made to suspend players based on ASADA’s mistake Essendon’s lawyers would be lining up to smash it out of the park.

Has there been any evidence anywhere that Essendon asked ASADA for any advice at all ?

Yes, they *should* have. But they dont appear to have a copy of any, and ASADA are denying giving it.

 

[The_Wookie]

The report must be very brief. It was stated that it is 400 pages long including 130 interview transcripts. It is hard to see each transcript being less than 2-3 pages and you would have to think that some like Hird, Reid, Robinson and Thompson would be much longer. It is not going to take much time to digest and Vlad will have read it all on his flight home.

If many players are going to receive infraction notices it has to happen early in the week otherwise Essendon will not have time to organise a team for the weekend. Additionally, if infractions are recommended then the AFL cannot let the players continue. So by my reckoning if there is nothing by Tuesday night then the players are in the clear. As Pazza told us many moons ago, it will be over by Wednesday.

interviews may well be in the 13,000 supporting documents and not the report itself.

 

[yebiga]

Visited the asada website, read the sanctions and penalties

If the essendon players took prohibited substances then the most probable result is a 6 month ban for each of them - given the circumstances

Those who knowingly and will fully trafficked or administered those substances are looking a 4 year ban: dank, Robinson

If asada' s report were to find that Hird knowingly permitted illegal substances to be administered he too could be looking at a 4 year ban. It is this possibility that has him probably looking legal options.

What is clear is that our journos are a collection of Nuffies. They engage in trite and can no longer report facts and allow them to speak for themselves. And the above facts speak loud enough.

Instead, Caro, smith and Barrett have spent 6 months pontificating governance, morality, innuendo. They have mistaken their jobs for the pulpit. It is not their job to tell us what is untenable. They do not have either the authority or the right.

If someone else in authority claims Hird's position is untenable then Caro and patricick are entitled to report it but to take it upon themselves, in this matter and so many others, is outrageous. Whatever do they learn to become journalists?

Their pontificating opinions are the news; their ego trumps any and every story.

In the case at essendon their will be sanctions, errors have been made and punishment will be meted out.

but this grotesque shallow uninformed crap dressed up as journalism must stop.

Caro 4 year ban
smith 4 year ban
Barrett 2 year ban

And a stern warning to the rest of them