What the heck? Essendon's punishment

[calyam]

I actually can't get over this Essendon mentality. Is it plain stupidity or just... nah, it's stupidity. So many heads in sands, so many insecurities cloaked with "we did nothing wrong." Appalling club.

The stupidity comes from all sides. Reality is somewhere in the middle.

The whole sub forum is embarrassing for almost everyone involved.

 

[caitsith01]

The whole sub forum drug scandal is embarrassing for almost everyone involved.

FTFY.

It's typical of the mentality of Dons fans (IMHO) that you think the forum is embarassing and not the fact that your club is being subjected to the most serious investigation into allegations of systematic use of performance enhancing drugs in the history of football.

 

[Bomber32]

I still cannot believe the Essendon fans who have convinced themselves that this is all fine. In a parallel universe where it was any other club, they would all be demanding public executions.

Maybe all the Essendon fans are just waiting for some precious facts to come out. I haven't heard too many facts from the gutter press or, especially, from any of the opposition crowd here on BigFooty who really don't have a feckin' clue what they are talking about.

I'll wait for the ASADA report to come out before I start calling for people to be hung, drawn and quartered. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of posters here sink without trace when we are exonerated.

 

[calyam]

FTFY.

It's typical of the mentality of Dons fans (IMHO) that you think the forum is embarassing and not the fact that your club is being subjected to the most serious investigation into allegations of systematic use of performance enhancing drugs in the history of football.

1. Do not misquote me.
2. Do not make ignorant assumptions regarding the meaning of my post. I made no statement regarding whether the drug scandal is embarassing. Do not imply that I did.

 

[caitsith01]

1. Do not misquote me.
2. Do not make ignorant assumptions regarding the meaning of my post. I made no statement regarding whether the drug scandal is embarassing. Do not imply that I did.

I didn't misquote you. Maybe you're new to the internet though?

Anyway, your calm and measured response has confirmed that you have a solid sense of perspective, so I bid you good day, sir/madam.

 

[caitsith01]

Maybe all the Essendon fans are just waiting for some precious facts to come out. I haven't heard too many facts from the gutter press or, especially, from any of the opposition crowd here on BigFooty who really don't have a feckin' clue what they are talking about.

I'll wait for the ASADA report to come out before I start calling for people to be hung, drawn and quartered. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of posters here sink without trace when we are exonerated.

This thread is quite clearly about what punishment is likely to be given IF Essendon are found to have used banned substances, as appears likely to some and less likely to others.

 

[rand corp]

It is just an absolute disgrace that they subjected the kids in their care to a covert injecting spree with a cocktail of dodgy, borderline, black market drugs, some of which were and still are experimental. Throw ****in Hird and Thompson in Jail.

 

[NOCLUE]

Ironic isn't it their slogan for this year.
"WHATEVER IT TAKES".
Just a year late.

 

[Slax]

Maybe all the Essendon fans are just waiting for some precious facts to come out. I haven't heard too many facts from the gutter press or, especially, from any of the opposition crowd here on BigFooty who really don't have a feckin' clue what they are talking about.

I'll wait for the ASADA report to come out before I start calling for people to be hung, drawn and quartered. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of posters here sink without trace when we are exonerated.

But if they are right will you?

 

[Bomber32]

But if they are right will you?

If we are guilty of using stuff we are not supposed to be using then, of course, we will deserve every punishment that comes our way. And make no mistake about it, whoever is eventually found responsible for the whole mess should be banned permanently from having any involvement in AFL football. But at the moment most of what is known is just rumour, speculation and muckraking. If and when ASADA does finally hand down it's report and finds us guilty, then, and only then will I be prepared to really dish out my wrath to anyone who is involved.

 

[DrEvil]

Maybe all the Essendon fans are just waiting for some precious facts to come out. I haven't heard too many facts from the gutter press or, especially, from any of the opposition crowd here on BigFooty who really don't have a feckin' clue what they are talking about.

I'll wait for the ASADA report to come out before I start calling for people to be hung, drawn and quartered. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of posters here sink without trace when we are exonerated.

Facts came out. Essendon fans deny reality, then ask for facts to come out.

 

[lilrocker1990]

I'm a massive Essendon fan and have been all my life... If the club is found guilty of all this, i believe the punishments should be as follows:

- Club is banned from 2013 and 2014 AFL Draft.
- Guilty support staff sacked (ie guilty doctors and administers)
- Guilty coaching staff, either sacked or fined.
- Club fined $1m-3m.
- and main offending players found guilty of knowing what was happening get suspended for 6-12 months, with other players that were administered the drugs and have been found to have no knowledge of what was going to be fined.

I don't believe docking premiership points for 2013 is a good idea because the 2013 season hasn't been affected in terms of this drug use, it's just the scandal and investigation of the 2012 season in question.

I know a lot of people won't agree with it, but I believe it's a fair punishment

 

[ScallyWag1]

I'm a massive Essendon fan and have been all my life... If the club is found guilty of all this, i believe the punishments should be as follows:

- Club is banned from 2013 and 2014 AFL Draft.
- Guilty support staff sacked (ie guilty doctors and administers)
- Guilty coaching staff, either sacked or fined.
- Club fined $1m-3m.
- and main offending players found guilty of knowing what was happening get suspended for 6-12 months, with other players that were administered the drugs and have been found to have no knowledge of what was going to be fined.

I don't believe docking premiership points for 2013 is a good idea because the 2013 season hasn't been affected in terms of this drug use, it's just the scandal and investigation of the 2012 season in question.

I know a lot of people won't agree with it, but I believe it's a fair punishment

All makes sense and seems fair and reasonable.

INB4 you unfortunately get labelled a troll

 

[Tommy08]

A club has cheated to enhance onfield performance , the punishment setout to hurt onfield performance

Carlton ; draft picks

Adelaide drat picks

Ess , - as much as Im sure they would like to just pay as fine and move on , this must hurt and hurt for years. No club should ever again doubt the danger "pushing the limits".
I'd tell them they must delist 3 players this year and be banned from the 2013 draft. The must run with 3 less on their list for the length of the punishment, their Scap reduced by1M. This ensures they just can not chop three worst players. 2014 , 2015. Last picks in the draft , no Father Sons , no FA's, 1 Rookie is allowed to be promoted per year.

Push the limits on that.

Was utterly shocked when I saw a moderator wrote this

 

[Turbocat]

Was utterly shocked when I saw a moderator wrote this

What a mod is not allowed an opinion?
If any club is found guilty would you expect only to pay a fine? Ess has set to push the limits , and if any club has the same as them , Geelong included , they should pay the penalty and it should hurt so much that its never done again

 

[Kingofthehill]

What a mod is not allowed an opinion?
If any club is found guilty would you expect only to pay a fine? Ess has set to push the limits , and if any club has the same as them , Geelong included , they should pay the penalty and it should hurt so much that its never done again

I think most reasonable people believe that while Essendon's supplement was poorly governed and certainly bad for the game, it appears that Essendon believed at the time what they gave the players was legal. That might turn out to be wrong but it is different to the two above mentioned. To cheat you need to deliberately defraud the competition. Both Adelaide and particularly Carlton did try and cheat the comp, I'm not sure that's what Essendon was trying to do.

 

[loki04]

I think most reasonable people believe that while Essendon's supplement was poorly governed and certainly bad for the game, it appears that Essendon believed at the time what they gave the players was legal. That might turn out to be wrong but it is different to the two above mentioned. To cheat you need to deliberately defraud the competition. Both Adelaide and particularly Carlton did try and cheat the comp, I'm not sure that's what Essendon was trying to do.

You mean most deluded Essendon supporters...

 

[Tommy08]

It was more so the fact that a mod has a primary school level of grammar and punctuation.

But yes, you are certainly allowed an opinion.

 

[Andronicus]

Ess , - as much as Im sure they would like to just pay as fine and move on , this must hurt and hurt for years. No club should ever again doubt the danger "pushing the limits".
I'd tell them they must delist 3 players this year and be banned from the 2013 draft. The must run with 3 less on their list for the length of the punishment, their Scap reduced by1M. This ensures they just can not chop three worst players. 2014 , 2015. Last picks in the draft , no Father Sons , no FA's, 1 Rookie is allowed to be promoted per year.

Push the limits on that.

One of the worst posts I have seen on the whole saga.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I think most reasonable people believe that while Essendon's supplement was poorly governed and certainly bad for the game, it appears that Essendon believed at the time what they gave the players was legal. That might turn out to be wrong but it is different to the two above mentioned. To cheat you need to deliberately defraud the competition. Both Adelaide and particularly Carlton did try and cheat the comp, I'm not sure that's what Essendon was trying to do.

I dont think any reasonable person believes that

I reasonably believe they took a banned substance, possibly many, in an intention to gain a performance edge over their competition.
AOD is banned, i do not believe that the essendon football club could be stupid enough to just "trust in dank" and go off heresay and ambiguity, only the naive would believe such spin.

 

[Kingofthehill]

You mean most deluded Essendon supporters...

By reasonable I'm not really talking about people that post on this sight. You're as deluded as Essendon supporters if you believe you would sign consent forms on Essendon letterhead, signed off by the club doctor stating the drugs you were taking if you believed what you were taking was illegal.

Clearly they thought the drug was ok. They were wrong but they didn't come to that decision without some outside information...or they were lied to.

 

[loki04]

By reasonable I'm not really talking about people that post on this sight. You're as deluded as Essendon supporters if you believe you would sign consent forms on Essendon letterhead, signed off by the club doctor stating the drugs you were taking if you believed what you were taking was illegal.

Clearly they thought the drug was ok. They were wrong but they didn't come to that decision without some outside information...or they were lied to.

I am yet to see, meet or hear from a non Essendon fan believe what you wrote.

Most of my Essendon supporting mates even admit they cheated all be it with a caveat that all teams do, which probably isn't far off the mark.

 

[Jade]

Mmmkay people if we all follow simple instructions we can get this done quickly.

Ok Bombers supporters, if you could file into the room marked 'IN HIRD WE TRUST, JUST BECAUSE' that'd be great. Inside you'll find a pamphlet detailing how AOD-9604 is not performance enhancing and therefore not illegal, along with a nice little booklet detailing defamation laws. We will be having effigy burnings of Caro, Robbo, Barrett and Reimers at fifteen minutes (should be awesome), and our special guest speaker via the grave will be Johnnie Cochrane delivering his presentation entitled 'Justice: How to make sure the glove doesn't fit'.

Remaining hot topic board posters, if you could make your way towards the room marked 'PUBLIC EXECUTION' that would be most helpful. At the door you'll find your complimentary 'What Would Jesus Do' wrist band (you holier than thou goodies). We'll be running a special quiz in the first half hour and the winner will be given a vial of Watson's blood. Don't worry, we brought enough for all of you - we know you all have all the answers anyway. You'll guest speaker today will be none other than George W Bush, who'll be giving us a great address - 'Shoot first, ask questions later'. On your way out, please collect your klan hoods and rope and make your way towards Windy Hill. Public lynchings are not only encouraged, but a civic service.

Before we head out, both groups are invited to join us for a glass of Kool Aid brought to us by Jonestown.

As for you three - no I'm sorry we don't have a room entitled 'LET's JUST WAIT FOR THE RESULTS'..... to be honest you blokes should get a cab or something to the pub down the road - we're gonna be here a while.

 

[Turbocat]

I think most reasonable people believe that while Essendon's supplement was poorly governed and certainly bad for the game, it appears that Essendon believed at the time what they gave the players was legal. That might turn out to be wrong but it is different to the two above mentioned. To cheat you need to deliberately defraud the competition. Both Adelaide and particularly Carlton did try and cheat the comp, I'm not sure that's what Essendon was trying to do.

No to cheat you only need to try benefit from the illegal practices from people you have empowered.

Injections off site Why? What were they?
First , all injections were Vitamins , then it was a substance that was legal , then Ess is not really sure if what the player thought was injected into them is actually was injected into them. Oh there is no residual benefit even if we used it , which we don't know if we did.

The stuff is still being tested. The experts don't even know what its full range of plus and minus are yet.

These measures that have been used by Ess have given the whole comp a black eye. If I thought Ess knew they were illegal and still did it , I would be happy to a lot more than I posted originally. Like multiple seasons like Storm had , play for no points etc.

But Im not convinced they set out out to use illegal products, they employed so called experts to do X sort of hoping it was legal but not really investigating it too hard to prove it , therefore , Im not convinced they were righteous in their all their practices. They were happy to leave the welfare of the players in others hands. Gees some people are saying this stuff is a cancerogenic. It was not approved for human use. Loosing what I said is probably heavier than you will get , but lighter than what you deserve. I hope to heaven we dont have issues down the track with ex Ess players.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Punishment must include player suspensions, permanent bans for some club officials, and something which cripples Essendon competitively until it is certain that any benefits from this activity have been nullified.

Anything less is a joke.

this is ****ing hilarious. Tell me matey, what do you think Robinson and his daily calls to Dank was doing at Geelong when you were winning premierships? Hey? Please tell me, I'd love to know what you think they were doing.