Everyone agrees Carey is the best forward of the last 10 years... but...

[rick James]

who would you put in at second??

I'm saying right off the bat here that I'm talking specifically the last ten years, so Ablett and Lockett would be out as their best was well past them.

Personally, after Carey, I would say the best forward of the last decade, is Matthew Richardson. The guy has had nothing short of a WOEFUL team around him almost his entire career, and the delivery to him has been nothing short of EDFL standard. Yet statistically he stacks up against any other forward in the last decade.

thoughts?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Matthew Lloyd

 

[Bloods]

Plugger kicked centuries in '96 and '98 aswell as 82 in '99. That puts him in contention as far as I'm concerned.

 

[incubi]

One C.Grant was seen as the best player in the league in '97 (the umpires thought so, so did then carlton coach david parkin) playing CHF, that gets him alteast a nomination.

C.Grant = Footballing God

 

[Smokin_Joe]

Most Goals (1993-2005)
                       Goals    Games  Ave                              Goals    Games  Ave
Matthew Lloyd	ES	754	209	3.61	Barry Hall	SK/SY	417	179	2.33
Saverio Rocca	CW/KA	699	238	2.94	Fraser Gehrig	WC/SK	410	213	1.92
Matthew Rich	RI	645	216	2.99	Warren Tredrea	PA	409	179	2.28
Wayne Carey	KA/AD	615	212	2.90	Chris Grant	WB	403	253	1.59
Tony Lockett	SK/SY	571	118	4.84	Stewart Loewe	SK	402	181	2.22
Tony Modra	AD/FR	567	157	3.61	Phillip Matera	WC	389	179	2.17
David Neitz	ME	534	265	2.02	Jeff Farmer	ME/FR	386	199	1.94
Alastair Lynch	FI/BL	528	206	2.56	Paul Hudson	H/W/R   377	193	1.95
Jason Dunstall	HW	467	101	4.62	Michael OLoug	SY	374	222	1.68
Gary Ablett	GE	444	81	5.48	Peter Everitt	SK/HW	362	238	1.52

Heres a Top 20.

Only Lloyd, Rocca, Richardson, Neitz, Hall, Gehrig, Tredrea, Grant, Farmer, O'loughlin and Everitt are still playing.

 

[rick James]

Most Goals (1993-2005)
                       Goals    Games  Ave                              Goals    Games  Ave
Matthew Lloyd	ES	754	209	3.61	Barry Hall	SK/SY	417	179	2.33
Saverio Rocca	CW/KA	699	238	2.94	Fraser Gehrig	WC/SK	410	213	1.92
Matthew Rich	RI	645	216	2.99	Warren Tredrea	PA	409	179	2.28
Wayne Carey	KA/AD	615	212	2.90	Chris Grant	WB	403	253	1.59
Tony Lockett	SK/SY	571	118	4.84	Stewart Loewe	SK	402	181	2.22
Tony Modra	AD/FR	567	157	3.61	Phillip Matera	WC	389	179	2.17
David Neitz	ME	534	265	2.02	Jeff Farmer	ME/FR	386	199	1.94
Alastair Lynch	FI/BL	528	206	2.56	Paul Hudson	H/W/R   377	193	1.95
Jason Dunstall	HW	467	101	4.62	Michael OLoug	SY	374	222	1.68
Gary Ablett	GE	444	81	5.48	Peter Everitt	SK/HW	362	238	1.52

Heres a Top 20.

Only Lloyd, Rocca, Richardson, Neitz, Hall, Gehrig, Tredrea, Grant, Farmer, O'loughlin and Everitt are still playing.

Amazing effort by neitz considering he only started playing forward in 1998.

I'd still say Richo on those stats though.

 

[Locky]

Lockett or Lloyd

 

[Silvagnis]

Kernahan ********s all over Lloyd as a footballer and it's blasphemy to even mention Lloyd in the same breath as Lockett by putting him ahead.

 

[chapmanmagic35]

10 years ago, Ablett had just come off another 100+ goal season..

 

[Falchoon]

Amazing effort by neitz considering he only started playing forward in 1998.

Even more amazing effort by gehrig then?

 

[The Dice Man]

Id have to say Ablett. As much as I love Richo, Ablett when on song was easily the most talented player Ive seen. The only word I can use when I remember watching his 'instincts' is Natural.


Richo on the other hand is hard to compare against other players alot of the time because he is so different, so unpredictable, so fast and so powerful.

He hasnt played as a true Centre Half Foward and he hasnt played as a true Full Foward either. But imagine if he had've spent his career at teams like Brisbane, Essendon or Port who have probably been the most dominant teams of his peak years.

You got to remember too, that he's only getting smarter, stronger and doesnt seem to be slowing down. If TW can build a skilled, fast midfield in the next 24 months, who's gonna stop Richardson?

 

[Thrawn]

Ablett or Lockett. Tough choice.

Kernahan should at least be mentioned. If you were to pick the 2nd best CHF of the last decade, it would be him.

 

[0-xXx-0]

one cant compare richo with lloyd, just cos lloyd is a better set shot, he isnt a more potent and powerful fwd, and richo has played 90% of his footy as a roaming fwd and chf, not ff out of the square.

also look at the teams, tigers have many been unskillful and shocking , the bombers skillful and successful.


if lloyd played 4 the tigers over the last 12 yrs , who would have been lucky to kick 200 goals.

if richo played for the bombers over the past 12 yrs, he would have bagged over 1000 goals, and not one would have COME FROM A DIVE!!!!, AND THE BUMBERS WOULD HAVE HAD AT LEAST 5 MORE FLAGS

RICHO > PRINCESS LLOYD

AND BTW, THOSE STATS SHOW THAT ABLETT SNR WAS THE GR8EST OF ALL, FRIGGEN FREAK!!! NO ONE COMES CLOSE OR EVER WILL

 

[Partridge]

Personally, after Carey, I would say the best forward of the last decade, is Matthew Richardson. The guy has had nothing short of a WOEFUL team around him almost his entire career, and the delivery to him has been nothing short of EDFL standard. Yet statistically he stacks up against any other forward in the last decade.

Totally agree. I still cannot believe how many morons blame Richmond's ineptitude of the last decade on him - when he's been their only consistent performer. He gets mauled by opponents, rarely gets any assistance from umpires, appalling delivery from teammates, has played in a terrible team and he still kicks 60 plus goals a year every season. I've seen him maul Geelong a couple of times with 2 defenders on him and he's still killed us. He might miss the odd sitter but he's got it right over 600 times. Even now, there is no better contested mark in the league.

As great as Ablett, Lockett, Kernahan were, they all started before Carey, so to keep to the original post, we can't include them.

Richo for me.

 

[War Nerve]

Lockett!

 

[ContemporaryDancer]

Carey the best forward?

Does anyone actually watch the AFL here though I am St Kilder fan no one has had the impact of one man.

Tony Lockett, the man was an enforcer that other players where afraid to approach he got great marks out of shere toughness and he was famous for his goal scoring abilities.

Even his impact in the later days of his career was tremendous he fostered the youth and opened up the game.

A true Icon of our game.

 

[rick James]

Carey the best forward?

Does anyone actually watch the AFL here though I am St Kilder fan no one has had the impact of one man.

Tony Lockett, the man was an enforcer that other players where afraid to approach he got great marks out of shere toughness and he was famous for his goal scoring abilities.

Even his impact in the later days of his career was tremendous he fostered the youth and opened up the game.

A true Icon of our game.

How many people oin this thread (this boofhead is the best example) are actually going to read the OP before opening their stupid mouths so they can say something stupid? Bloody stupidheads. That's what you are. ALL OF YOU!

 

[Johnson#26]

Good question.

Its out of Lockett, Dunstall and Lloyd.

Lockett is the one, with Lloyd second.

 

[Nightwolf]

Mark Williams

 

[MarkT]

Ablett or Lockett. Tough choice.

Kernahan should at least be mentioned. If you were to pick the 2nd best CHF of the last decade, it would be him.

Brereton ahead of Kernahan ignoring timeframe correlations. Lockett ahead of both of them and maybe ahead of Carey as well.

 

[Bloods]

Brereton ahead of Kernahan ignoring timeframe correlations. Lockett ahead of both of them and maybe ahead of Carey as well.

Yeah agree with all of that.

Lockett came off a ton in '95, then kicked tons in '96 and '98. He was kicking his tons during the H&A season too, not in finals like others since. He kicked double figures 7 times between 95-99. Plugger has to get the nod.

 

[ContemporaryDancer]

How many people oin this thread (this boofhead is the best example) are actually going to read the OP before opening their stupid mouths so they can say something stupid? Bloody stupidheads. That's what you are. ALL OF YOU!

Stats are important but the main thing is the way a player can swing a loosing performance into an outsanding comeback.

Lockett can do that Carey cant.

Locketts an enforcer Carey dances around the hard issues.

Lockett leads Carey follows.

Long live St Kilda.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Stats are important but the main thing is the way a player can swing a loosing performance into an outsanding comeback.

Lockett can do that Carey cant.

well Lockett sure showed us all in the 1996 Grand Final...

Locketts an enforcer Carey dances around the hard issues.

You are talking about Craven now are you??? Great enforcer...

Lockett leads Carey follows.

That is why Lockett was a Captain at one of his clubs... oh wait he wasn't... so the clubs know how much of a leader he was... didn't he have a cry about not getting his old number back when he tried to comeback??? yeah Great Leader...

Long live St Kilda.

where the f**k have you been for the last 15 years???

 

[HBF]

Carey 1. I've neve seen a player single handedly win a game off his boot so many times this bloke did. He is easily the best player I have seen play.

Lockett 2. Unbelievable player. His accuracy in front of goals was second to none. He'd take on his direct opponent and a loose man and still beat them.

Hard to seperate these 2, but for me, Carey just in front. Perhaps it's because Carey played at CHF, whilst Plugger played at FF.

 

[Z_K]

Stats are important but the main thing is the way a player can swing a loosing performance into an outsanding comeback.

Lockett can do that Carey cant.

Locketts an enforcer Carey dances around the hard issues.

Lockett leads Carey follows.

Long live St Kilda.

Riiiggghhht.


Lloyd has to be up there BTW.