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Top 10 Captains since the Turn of the Century
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Thanks to schmuttt for the correction, I've been carrying a few lies around in my skull for a while.
Just on the Judd thing, he was a superb player and a great exemplar as a captain like Buckley, but I think he was only the captain of that flag side in name, they demoted Cousins for his shenanigans but he was the leader as much as Worsfold.
As Carlton captain I don't think he set the world on fire. A terrible club culture so he had some good effect, but not someone who overcame that. The two Collingwood flag sides 1990 and 2010 were infested with sizeable egos borderline of out of control, Shaw and Maxwell performed prodigies keeping those sides under control for as long as they did.
The fact they were so arrogant even before they won touches on a weird point. Arrogance can help win games, and the captain can lead with that.
Some captains had a sizeable chunk of ** (as we say in the Northern suburbs) about them. I think Carey was an effective captain and he helped his team mates strut and fart higher than their arses by being arrogant. I think Dangerfield role-plays that, not actually a ** at all but makes a little show of it.
Hodge is exhibit A here, apparently a nice man off the field, on field he was a low sniping dog, courageous and skilled and all that, but a slice of **** on top to make his team mates keep their heads up. Mitchell his apprentice and a fair captain I feel, but Hodge the real captain even when Mitchell took over.
Voss could be a ****, Maxwell reveled in it. Mouthy, drew fire, let the enemy know.
Nice captains like Bucks and Bont could have added cruelty and arrogance to their game, we'd like them less but they might have won more. Just on Bucks perceived arrogance, he was hard on himself and people thought he was angry with team mates, not true.
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There is more to being a Captain on the field. Selwood was huge off field over a long period of time as well as on field.
Cotchin was able to sacrifice his own game and turned himself into a wrecking ball for the good of the team. Only great captains do that.
I'm not as big on Hodge. A lot of bad cultural issues off field at the club under his watch. Without going into details, I can't see those types of behaviours being acceptable under Selwood or Cotchin.
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I tend to agree.
I really wanted to get Boak into my top 10 for his personal development/preparation work with young players but he doesnt have the on field stature of the 10 I put forward.
Harley was a v important captain for Geelong at a time when the club had experienced nil success and equal to Selwood for mine
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very similar to Maxwell, as he was the right captain for that particular group of players. Both are very underrated as captains. You dont always have to be the best player to be a great leader.
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Rating purely on field.
I Can't split Hodge and Voss as #1.
Voss the better player as an individual but I think Hodge lifted his teammates performance more.
Daylight with the rest.
I Can't split Hodge and Voss as #1.
Voss the better player as an individual but I think Hodge lifted his teammates performance more.
Daylight with the rest.
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Has anyone posted the AFLPA best captains award list?
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Voss 4 the standout, Bont 3 the runner up, some surprises on 2 (Taylor Walker, Jono Brown) as well as predictable ones (Pendles and Ricciutto).
A bit of a popularity contest, only one for Hodge: unfair to rank him with Bob Murphy Judd and Watson who IMHO not on his level. I'd have Hodge above any of these except Voss.
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A bit of a popularity contest, only one for Hodge: unfair to rank him with Bob Murphy Judd and Watson who IMHO not on his level. I'd have Hodge above any of these except Voss.
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Interesting Bonts rating thereHas anyone posted the AFLPA best captains award list?
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Voss 4 the standout, Bont 3 the runner up, some surprises on 2 (Taylor Walker, Jono Brown) as well as predictable ones (Pendles and Ricciutto).
A bit of a popularity contest, only one for Hodge: unfair to rank him with Bob Murphy Judd and Watson who IMHO not on his level. I'd have Hodge above any of these except Voss.
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Like what?
You couldn't possibly have Gawn that high with all the off-field stuff that has plagued the Dees since the flag.....IMO
How is he responsible for the behaviour of two or three players in a squad of 44 ?
Alternatively, to captain a team to its first flag in 57 years and break a supposed curse is pretty significant.
I'll make a final judgement at the end of his captaincy.
Quite significant but so is the fact they've not won a final since and under achieved massively.
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Is that AA captaincy? Selwood more popular with the bosses than the workers.
Of course there are hairs to split etc, but I feel Hodge was a very very effective captain,just not a likeable one.
Gawn's but one player who has kept performing at a fantastic level since 2021, including multiple All Australians.
I don't think the window is closed, although I realise the general consensus is that it is.
At least Melbourne finished top 4 both years after their flag. They get punished for finals exits more than the teams that win one and don't even play finals the following year.
But yes, 2023 was hugely disappointing to lose both finals narrowly. And not we we expected.
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- Oct 25, 2001
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Oliver was kicking off a spectacular 18+ month meltdown and Gawn took public steps to address and improve the players lot, he showed good leadership from my outside perspective.
So good off field by all accounts, and god with the media (which is a secondary captainvcy role) and definitely sets a good example.
I don't see Melbourne much, does he inspire them? Is he that on field coach type? Definitely one of the better ones overall.
Gawn's onfield stuff is as inspiring as any player in the comp imo.
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A captain in Aussie Rules Football is the most overrated thing ever.
Its not cricket.
Its almost impossible to judge as someone from outside the clubs.
Its not cricket.
Its almost impossible to judge as someone from outside the clubs.
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I'm biased, but leaders who put their team on their back like Voss, Riewoldt, Maxwell get my highest vote. It's impossible for us to rate what they do off field.
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Yeah true. Pavlich at the dockers Captain from 2007-15 stood out like a sore thumb. We had Peter Bell before him who was Captain from 2002-06. He was solid but wasn't great. But he was someone we needed as captain at the time.
Selwood at the cats was interesting. He was young when he took the captaincy. But from 2011-22, that cats side consistently made finals. Cats had a few leaders under that period too.
Trent Cotchin was decent as a Captain from 2013-21. Which came into a time when Richmond made finals.
You could of made Dustin Martin captain at Richmond from 2018-2020, it wouldn't of mattered.
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Even if Luke Hodge wasn't drafted at the hawks, Sam Mitchell would of been a decent captain from 2011-16.
Hawks premiership side of 2013-15 had depth everywhere
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