Review Freo Just not Quite Good Enough - Rd 23 Review

[Descent]

Disagree

You think it’s purely personnel?

 

[SiempreFreo]

Pretty happy with that game. Weren't a million miles off and more composure wins us that game. Port weren't on top form, but make no mistake, they're a slick, hard at ot outifit.

Liked what Emmett brought, and some really good signs for next year.

But for the love of god, lets work on:

Skills
Skills under pressure
Marking (Treacy/Jackson I'm looking at you)

Another pre-season, we'll be a harder outfit, more tackles will stick and we'll be more composed. Gotta win next week to round off the year.


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Agree with much of this but no re Jackson. His marking has been pretty impressive to date and today he had the Port ruckman embracing him all game (not in a loving ) and another blocking/tagging. Made me wish for big Darcy.

 

[Footskill]

him getting it out to an elite ball user would help, also

Don't know him and jom can be in same team , but generally jom is decent ball user, and also feeding it out to young.

 

[Mogumber]

There was a lot going on off the ball re: Jackson today.
He's obvs a player that oppo will target. We need mongrel, and we need it yesterday

 

[Taylor]

I was very impressed with how fast Jason Horne Francis was, genuinely surprised me. All of their starting mids at the bounce had serious speed pushing Wines to the wing. They wanted to maximise the returns on the clearance before settling into a wrestle if that first try didn't work.

We need some more class on half back, we need our talls taking more marks forward of the ball across the entire field and that will come with time.

Question for me is can we field a plan to incorporate Taberner in that working hard for a mark up the ground role without putting him in the ruck.

Emmett showed some real endeavor.

 

[Footskill]

It's simplistic view, and we did change the style to slow it down so port couldn't hurt us on the rebound , but the possession game doesn't suit us. With our team lacking basic skills we are always one possession away from a turnover. when they start chipping it around in the back half. Also our fwds suit better game of getting in quick and causing chaos ball

 

[apuchar]

I was very impressed with how fast Jason Horne Francis was, genuinely surprised me. All of their starting mids at the bounce had serious speed pushing Wines to the wing. They wanted to maximise the returns on the clearance before settling into a wrestle if that first try didn't work.

We need some more class on half back, we need our talls taking more marks forward of the ball across the entire field and that will come with time.

Question for me is can we field a plan to incorporate Taberner in that working hard for a mark up the ground role without putting him in the ruck.

Emmett showed some real endeavor.

So you were impressed with their mids serious speed and you want us to fix up our half back line not our midfield

 

[Sweetback]

Brodie gets back to early 2022 form.

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He’s just more of the same: not fast, needs to work on something that he’s meant to have spent all year on, despite his injuries. We can’t wait for Johnson or Erasmus to develop either. We need another Mickey B to land in our laps.

 

[Lach72]

So you were impressed with their mids serious speed and you want us to fix up our half back line not our midfield

If Johnson and Erasmus don’t show signs next year of coming on we’re seriously screwed.

id almost go hell for leather for GC pick 4 to try and get an elite mid it’s that bad.

which sucks because we need an elite small forward to replace Sonny

 

[SiempreFreo]

Brennan Cox AA forward

I’m one of the few it seems who liked him as a forward in the Lyon era - good overhead and a respectable kick on goal, plus a big body. Would’ve liked to see more of Cox forward plus Ryan on wing - while of course this begs question re who or what remains in our defence.

 

[Footskill]

He’s just more of the same: not fast, needs to work on something that he’s meant to have spent all year on, despite his injuries. We can’t wait for Johnson or Erasmus to develop either. We need another Mickey B to land in our laps.

You think Mickey b was fast? Pretty sure he was the slowest in the team

 

[#1JohnHuttonFan]

It isn't quick, dynamic, smart or skilful enough. And Serong is very unaccountable. Probably tired after a long season but you can't have one go at it in the middle. Did someone tell him he is Nat Fyfe or something.

Nah disagree serong is a GUN! Pretty happy with how our midfield looks moving forward! Serong is how old again? Even Petracca and Oliver weren’t doing things he does at the same age. I’m pretty confident our midfield is going to be one of the best if not the best in the league pretty soon.


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[Taylor]

So you were impressed with their mids serious speed and you want us to fix up our half back line not our midfield

I said we need more class on the half back line because that's where we lost it in my opinion. That panic out of Worner, Wagner etc after the fumbles and dropped marks there cost more to me that the poor delivery going forward. We got turned around and mismatched in defense all day.

I've already said what I want for the midfield next year. Nathan O'Driscoll at the stoppage as the defensive minded mid. He is huge, has the speed to react like a cat and hurt them the other way before a kick that isn't going to be much worse than what we already have.

We looked good with Switta in there making space with run and closing them down when they got it to the outside but for the most part controlled their movement out of the middle - I think we had our chances to win that and we didn't have the composure - particularly across half back.

 

[Lach72]

You think Mickey b was fast? Pretty sure he was the slowest in the team

not before he broke his leg

 

[neishaj]

It seems to be an excuse when we lose its because we are one of the youngest teams in the comp. Look out in a few years time with the young talent we have though.

But it feels like grounhog day after the past 4 years hearing similar things.

How did we get to that stage and allow it happen. The rebuild should have been close to complete now similar to Port Adelaide list and age profile.

Instead it seems we are still in the thick of a rebuild with our age profile being one of the youngest in the comp.

feels like GroundHog Day after 20 plus years!

 

[Footskill]

I’m one of the few it seems who liked him as a forward in the Lyon era - good overhead and a respectable kick on goal, plus a big body. Would’ve liked to see more of Cox forward plus Ryan on wing - while of course this begs question re who or what remains in our defence.

At least Ryan on the wing be like picking up where acres left off. Bombing it high and far into fwd line as possible. That wasted bomb into the fwd line was frustrating.

 

[Kram]

You think Mickey b was fast? Pretty sure he was the slowest in the team

Dude ran like a duck. Maybe that's why he played well in the slop.

 

[Footskill]

not before he broke his leg

Nah even before leg break Mickey was like a loping wombat when he waddled..he was just good at finding the footy

 

[Sweetback]

You think Mickey b was fast? Pretty sure he was the slowest in the team

He wasn’t slow before he broke his leg, but yeah sorry, I meant a complete player that complements our needs that comes out of nowhere

 

[Dockeroo]

Serong will be AA and is one of the most accountable players in the league. He's ****ed from carrying the side most of the year. Our 2025 mid shapes to be:

Young - contested beast, reasonably quick and good skills (albeit a bit off this year)

Johnson - contested beast, breaking tackles for fun at 20. Good user of the ball and decision making. Expect to score a few to as he develops. Obviously out of gas at this stage of the year.

Serong - quick hands, good contested footy, great clearance player when protected (this is where we missed Mundy this year). Can hit the score board.

Brayshaw - one of the best two-way mids in the comp. Again missed Mundy's smarts in clearances this year. Can hit the score board and decent decision maker.

Darcy - monster, physical ruck. Good grab, decent shot on goal. Would've been handy today.

Jackson - can play anywhere, great wingspan to disrupt clearances, big unit, contested animal. Needs to improve mark, but good user of the footy.

Ras - non-stop pressure. Currently too unclean with the ball to know if he'll be a star or useful depth.

JOM - big body, above average player and user of the ball. Composed.

Unknown

Fyfe? - smart player, big enough to make life easier for the above players. Needs to learn to play within his new limits.

Plus some genuine points of difference to roll through and allow tactical changes in Aish, Switta and even NOD potentially.

Edit: forgot to add the extremely small number of games these guys have played together as a unit. Give tine for synergy to build and they'll all look better again.

I don't know about you, but that's a pretty formidable mid unit.



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What would you see as an acceptable WL record for the opening 10 games next season?

 

[Joao]

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Our most experienced forward all game was cox…that’s dire

That's too young. Makes sense we looked like a rebuilding side tbh. Many of those guys just aren't ready to beat top 4 teams, especially when we have to test the depth.

There is no obvious out here without bringing in mature players. Don't think that is realistic either.

Get your patience ready, if several of Treacy, Amiss, Jackson, Johnson, Erasmus etc don't come back from pre-season significantly better, I don't think you can expect significantly better performance.

 

[Sweetback]

Nah even before leg break Mickey was like a loping wombat when he waddled..he was just good at finding the footy

Pretty sure he ran sub three seconds in the 20 metres. Can’t find it now but found this:
‘The pace question is interesting. Barlow did the 2008 pre-season at St Kilda, and was beaten only by Robert Eddy in three-kilometre time trials. Endurance is his pet subject, yet at the state screening trials that year, the "wounded duck" ranked in the top 5 per cent over 20 metres.’

 

[Taylor]

What would you see as an acceptable WL record for the opening 10 games next season?

Given we will still have a young side, I'd want to be 7-3 in the first half next season.

 

[rgauci]

I feel like we fumble a lot when in open play, other teams are clinical with ball movement and we look very adhoc and uncertain what the next move is.

Switkowski for a small guy with speed fumbles an enormous amount and his skills below his knees to pick up the ball are atrocious. If he one touched a few ground balls we would scored several extra goals. He broke down the chain a lot unfortunately.

 

[Taylor]

Pretty sure he ran sub three seconds in the 20 metres. Can’t find it now but found this:
‘The pace question is interesting. Barlow did the 2008 pre-season at St Kilda, and was beaten only by Robert Eddy in three-kilometre time trials. Endurance is his pet subject, yet at the state screening trials that year, the "wounded duck" ranked in the top 5 per cent over 20 metres.’

He says he ran a 2.95s 20m while at a bar post season but I don't know that I believe that.