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A FEW GOOD MEN said:
Firstly, I have no doubt that Dangerfield will spend some time deep in the forward line this year.

Secondly, I agree with bigfella that Hendo played an unusual position last year as a "very high" half forward and I doubt it will be part of Sandos structure.

Regarding my forward-line structure, I think you need to name a Forward Four and at least half a dozen players will rotate through the high half forward positions.

With reasonable form and fitness the round 1 Front Four will be


McKernan (or Jenkins), Walker, Porplyzia

Tippett


This was the same four that were used in last year's pre-season prior to Tippett copping the injury.



The high half forwards will come from Knights, Wright, Henderson, Smith, Douglas, Sloane, Petrenko and Vince (if sober)

I don't expect that Dangerfield will rotate through the high half forward position because we will want him to expend most of his energy in the midfield (he is likely to cover lots of ground at high half forward without getting near to the ball). He will be mostly rotated off the bench or deep in the forward line. You could call it full forward or forward pocket if you like to use 20th century terminology.
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I think your're right here AFGM. Can't name a solid forward 6 anymore with roatations these days. Think it would be great to see Tex stay in the 50m arc and Tippo and Jenkins play that 2nd ruck/CHF role so sauce can rest on the pine. As ypu said we have that many small/medium forward/mids now (which we haven't had for a while) that can mix it up, its only a good thing, very much like geelong + collingwood have. Hopfully Porps and wingnut can get themselves right and be good for 20+ goals each. McIntyre looks a likely type, if porps does go down. Is anyone else still unsure on jaensch as s defender?
 
Dont think any team can afford to play 3 ruckmen these days! Jenkins would just get in the way, with Tex and Tip already starting in the goal square. If anything we need another lead-up target like Johnston or Hendo. We do not want to encourage the boys to bomb it to the square like they were doing last year. If anything we should be playing Tippett and Tex as the only talls and rotating mids through the forward line for a rest.
 
Footypie32 said:
Dont think any team can afford to play 3 ruckmen these days!
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I don't like comments like this.

It's not that I disagree with the comment itself, but I disagree with the assumption that certain things can't be done, just because they haven't been done for a while, or they're out of fashion. "The game's changed, pal. You can't play like that, you can't use this, you can't do this. "

I remember a mate saying to me in the early 2000s that we'd never see a guy kick 100 goals in a year again.

It's easy to get stuck in the AFL coaches matrix (I think even a lot of assistant coaches are) and convince yourself something can't be done just because everybody else isn't doing it.

Book it - the time will come again when a coach will play three talls and it'll work. Then everyone else will want to do it. Then it wont work, then it will again.... And so the cycle will continue....
 

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A question: If a second ruckman - whether it be McKernan or somebody else, turns out to be far superior to Tippett, are we going to play all three?

Or are we banking on Kurt being a full time forward with no ruck duties whatsoever?

Not an issue at the moment because Jacobs is the only ruckman ahead of Tippett. But what if we had two? What happens to Kurtly?
 
Slippery Pete said:
I don't like comments like this.

It's not that I disagree with the comment itself, but I disagree with the assumption that certain things can't be done, just because they haven't been done for a while, or they're out of fashion. "The game's changed, pal. You can't play like that, you can't use this, you can't do this. "

I remember a mate saying to me in the early 2000s that we'd never see a guy kick 100 goals in a year again.

It's easy to get stuck in the AFL coaches matrix (I think even a lot of assistant coaches are) and convince yourself something can't be done just because everybody else isn't doing it.

Book it - the time will come again when a coach will play three talls and it'll work. Then everyone else will want to do it. Then it wont work, then it will again.... And so the cycle will continue....
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I appreciate what you are saying and feel the same way most of the time ( you will actually find a comment by me in this thread saying that you dont always have to follow the traditional model!). However, it wasnt a throwaway line and I did give my reasons why I dont think it would work. Especially since we have cut back on the running at training, I dont think our mids will have the endurance they had previously, thus I think we need a deeper rotation in the middle. I think my concerns are valid.
 
I think one thing is certain, Jacobs is now our most valuable player.

If we lose him we can put the cue in the rack and send everyone with facial hair back to the SANFL.
 
It will be interesting Re: three ruckman. It all depends on how well Jenkins go. I like the three rucks if they can play multiple positions but at the same time that may be a problem. A third tall like a Johnston or Henderson may be likely.
 
You can call it 3 ruckmen if you want, but we had Tippett, Jacobs and McKernan all in the team at times last year. Jenkins instead of McKernan isn't much difference.
I don't count Tippett as a ruckman. He's a forward who may be needed in the ruck at times. Having Tippett rucking seems like more of an incentive to play Jenkins or McKernan. We need him in the forward line, he's good as a ruck, but our greater need is him as a forward.
 
Why is this so hard to imagine? The Geelong premiership side consisted of Podsiadly, Hawkins (forward with 2nd ruck capabilities), Trent West (forward/2nd ruck) and Brad Ottens (ruck).

How is that any different to Walker, Jenkins (forward with 2nd ruck capabilities), Tippett (forward/2nd ruck) and Sam Jacobs (ruck).

Therefore;
Walker = Podsiadly
Jenkins = Hawkins
Tippett = T.West
Jacobs = Ottens

In fact, I'd argue Jenkins and Tippett would/could be more affective as forwards than Hawkins and West.
Jenkins and Tippett also move very well for their size and are very competitive. Jenkins is 2nd fastest in our team. It can be done as long as they're all dangerous enough and have effective smalls/leading options around them.

I would absolutely agree that this set up would be crap if it was Moran instead of Jenkins, but I believe Jenkins will make an effective forward.
 

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Freddy Bassett said:
Jenkins is the Brodie Martin of this Pre-Season....
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Could well be, but going from reports he's doing more than Smack at the moment.

Agree with other posters in that you can really only count 4 as key forwards and then rotate mids through the HFF. Knights needs to regain his mojo and we need Wright or Callinan or whoever to become the small crumbing hassling forward.

On the 3 ruck debate..

Think we need to get away from saying ruckman is just a lumbering player from the 80s and 90s rucks. 200cm + players need to be able to do more, play forward or back move quickly to be a link player and maybe hold down a key position for a time in the game. Happy for Tippett to occasionally ruck, but only if the structure needs it to happen to change up a match up.

Really would like to see Tippo play at CHF and not FF and see no problem playing 3 200+ players if they can add flexiblity and something to challenge the opposition defences. IF Walker or Porps can hold down FF then this would stop the bomb it to Tippett with two defenders hanging off him.
 
Freddy Bassett said:
Schulzycrow said:
Could well be, but going from reports he's doing more than Smack at the moment.

I am sure he had looked good on the track with the Bombers before aswell.... I will reserve my excitement until he puts a few SANFL runs on the board....
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Fair call, like to see him in some of the MMC games, he's playing for Sturt is he not? He did have some good VFL games for Bendigo if I recall against teams with AFL list players.

The line SANFL runs on the board....will Sando go with this or will it be training form? From what he has said publically it seems he doesn't think SANFL coaches will have the best interests of his players at heart re Crows reserves side. On Jenkins Sturt don't have much in the way of rucks so you wouldn't think he will be used in too many other positions.
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I think Jenkins will be given every opportuntiy to cement a spot in the side in the pre-season cup. And if he does, please save me a seat on the bandwagon, because then I will be hopping on!
 
I read that Jenkins kicked 6 goals against Geelong in the VFL, so he must be a decent forward as well. He is physical and quick. I mentioned in another thread about i had high hopes for Moran, but hopefully Jenkins works out for us. :D
 
Mad Fan of AFL said:
I read that Jenkins kicked 6 goals against Geelong in the VFL, so he must be a decent forward as well. He is physical and quick. I mentioned in another thread about i had high hopes for Moran, but hopefully Jenkins works out for us. :D
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Yes well we all thought that about Moran esp when me and a mate were there when he kicked his famous 4 goals and we were singing Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Moran.:eek:

No bandwagoning yet, but its promising so far. Up to Smack to show he wants it.
 
Footypie32 said:
Dont think any team can afford to play 3 ruckmen these days! Jenkins would just get in the way, with Tex and Tip already starting in the goal square. If anything we need another lead-up target like Johnston or Hendo. We do not want to encourage the boys to bomb it to the square like they were doing last year. If anything we should be playing Tippett and Tex as the only talls and rotating mids through the forward line for a rest.
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I dont think that we would be playing 3 ruckmen, we would be playing 1 very good ruckman in sauce, and tippet and jenkins would be forwards that can ruck, and do both well. For me tippo shoul be more a decoy and spillage forward as he will always attract more attention then tex, and from what i hear, jj is very quick, so he can play more a leading foward role
 
I just dont want to see Dangerman starting forward. But from an outside POV i would like to see the crows use their quality small forwards.

FF: Callinan - Tippett - Porplyzia

CHF: Knights - Walker - Vince (Sloane/Danger/ST/Douglas will all rotate through here as a midfield rotation).

Jacobs needs to be given every opportunity to be able to develop his game forward. Im sure this is a big goal of his. We know he can win plenty of hitouts, tackle, move around the ground well and have 2nd 3rd efforts. Just needs to rest forward and do more damage when forward.

Really like your side coming into this year, only concerns are in defence which im sure you guys are more than aware of.

Lets say Vince starts half forward. In the onball brigade you start Danger, ST, Sloane. Mackay and NVB play off the wings. Douglas maybe HBF to give some rebound and hopefully back to his B&F year or rotating from the bench.
 
Keystone agony said:
I just dont want to see Dangerman starting forward. But from an outside POV i would like to see the crows use their quality small forwards.

FF: Callinan - Tippett - Porplyzia

CHF: Knights - Walker - Vince (Sloane/Danger/ST/Douglas will all rotate through here as a midfield rotation).

Jacobs needs to be given every opportunity to be able to develop his game forward. Im sure this is a big goal of his. We know he can win plenty of hitouts, tackle, move around the ground well and have 2nd 3rd efforts. Just needs to rest forward and do more damage when forward.

Really like your side coming into this year, only concerns are in defence which im sure you guys are more than aware of.

Lets say Vince starts half forward. In the onball brigade you start Danger, ST, Sloane. Mackay and NVB play off the wings. Douglas maybe HBF to give some rebound and hopefully back to his B&F year or rotating from the bench.
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If Tippett, Walker, Knights and Porplyzia play the majority of the season (highly unlikely), we will kick a lot of goals! Still reckon Wright is infront of Callinan. Vince would give us 3 blokes that can kick from 50+. Porplyzia is money anywhere inside that. Our forwardline could be very good! Injuries are the only thing preventing this...
 

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