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[Perrip]

another shit fight coming, its actually unbelievable

Hopefully it's just Crisafulli trying to strong arm the Feds into giving more money to the Games in the budget on Tuesday. The Feds have been very united for a Brisbane Arena, which simply MUST happen.

 

[Bjo187]

Update on 9 News:

• Brisbane LIVE scrapped. Government wants to build an aquatic centre instead.
• Federal Government could prevent this plan proceeding because they want Brisbane LIVE built.
• Tennis will be held at Tennyson, not Melbourne.

They better hope Dutton gets in coz albo won't budge and he certainly doesn't wanna help fund the new Brisbane afl stadium, his mate Peter Vlandy's would have been in his ear about that guaranteed.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Hopefully it's just Crisafulli trying to strong arm the Feds into giving more money to the Games in the budget on Tuesday. The Feds have been very united for a Brisbane Arena, which simply MUST happen.

I think it comes down to whether the state and federal governments want these games to fit into the planned budget. If they do, something has to give, and the arena isn't absolutely necessary for the games when swimming can go into an aquatic centre. If they don't, then it's a good opportunity to build the arena, which will finally mean we can stop using the decrepit and poorly-located BEC.

Ideally it's the latter, but it's really dependent on whether the feds will open their wallets or not. They control most of the tax revenue.

 

[mighty_lions]

I think it comes down to whether the state and federal governments want these games to fit into the planned budget. If they do, something has to give, and the arena isn't absolutely necessary for the games when swimming can go into an aquatic centre. If they don't, then it's a good opportunity to build the arena, which will finally mean we can stop using the decrepit and poorly-located BEC.

Ideally it's the latter, but it's really dependent on whether the feds will open their wallets or not. They control most of the tax revenue.

the thing is I just dont agree it can go in an aquatic centre, your going to be left with an enormous capacity swimming centre for no real purpose after the games or its going to be far too small with minor upgrades that's why it needs to go somewhere that is going to have future use. ie the live arena or a stadium

 

[Black Panther]

so is the aquatic centre at victoria park a goer again?

that'll tip the NIMBYs over the edge

 

[MSB ROYS]

another shit fight coming, its actually unbelievable

It's pathetic.

 

[Perrip]

so is the aquatic centre at victoria park a goer again?

that'll tip the NIMBYs over the edge

Hard to say. The GIICA recommended against one at Vic Park, and the 9 News report didn't specify where the government was planning to build this proposed aquatics centre.

 

[Section 5]

Hard to say. The GIICA recommended against one at Vic Park, and the 9 News report didn't specify where the government was planning to build this proposed aquatics centre.

The leak did mention they were looking at a Chandler upgrade. But nothing settled on yet.
Depending how much they want to spend they could get it to 10k with temporary seating. Presently 4.3K

Or - Quirks alternate to Roma Street
"The cost of developing a permanent Aquatic Centre capable of hosting aquatics competition is estimated at approximately $619 million. The cost includes an enclosed three pool complex with 6,000 permanent and 9,000 temporary seats. Possible locations for the facility raised in stakeholder sessions include adjacent to the Brisbane Entertainment Centre at Boondall or the Sleeman Sports Complex at Chandler."

Or - Gold Coast

 

[GCS in 11]

My guess for Tuesday is that:

• Brisbane Live will be “postponed” to after 2032.
• The Gabba will host the cricket at the Olympics, and then demolished afterwards with Brisbane Live to be built on the site starting in 2033.

That way they get the $2.5B back for the games budget (minus the swimming complex), and really you get the absolute ideal location for Brisbane Live.

They’ll want to balance having a plan for the arena whilst also excluding its cost from any Olympic budget headlines.

 

[mighty_lions]

would be good if they've lined up someone from the private sector to build it, that's basically what has been spoken about on here since the start, oval stadium legacy for afl/cricket, legacy for swimming, inner city arena they then have for basketball for the olympics and to use CRR

 

[Perrip]

Brisbane 2032 Olympic Games sees infighting in Crisafulli government

Spies have also told us that there have been tensions between Crisafulli and the review body, headed byStephen Conry, particularly over the lack of options to cut costs.
Crisafulli apparently has never been a fan of the proposed federally-funded $2.5bn Brisbane Arena, which is slated to host the Olympic swimming with a drop-in pool, before becoming a permanent venue for concerts in the inner-city.
The review has recommended it be moved from its proposed location at Roma Street to the old GoPrint site, beside the Gabba.
Anthony Albanese this week publicly backed the benefits of the arena, saying the city would not be overlooked by global acts such as pop superstar Dua Lipa (is the PM trying to show us he’s hip with the young-uns?) if it had an indoor venue close to its city centre.
The speculation is that Crisafulli wants to use the $2.5bn to fund Victoria Park and allay the mounting construction costs in this inflationary environment.
But where will the swimming be held?
Gold Coast mayor Tom Tate has been shilling an idea to hold the Olympic swimming at the Aquatic Centre at the Broadwater, where the 2018 Commonwealth Games swim meet was held.
Weird to hold the swimming for the 2032 Brisbane Olympics in another city.
But spies tell us that Bleijie travelled to the GC this week for a meeting with Tate.

 

[mighty_lions]

Greg Swann and cate Campbell are on the panel for the announcement on Tuesday, would love to see cates reaction to the premier announcing swimming at the shitty GC aquatics centre, it will be lived streamed 12pm last time the courier mail had the event they also had it live on sky news

 

[Perrip]

Greg Swann and cate Campbell are on the panel for the announcement on Tuesday

Where'd you see that?

 

[mighty_lions]

Where'd you see that?

on the towards the games podcast (Chris jones editor of the courier mail and luttsy from Nova) at the end of the episode they said that, that's where the information about the Brisbane Live arena being cancelled came from and a chandler upgrade

 

[Perrip]

on the towards the games podcast (Chris jones editor of the courier mail and luttsy from Nova) at the end of the episode they said that, that's where the information about the Brisbane Live arena being cancelled came from and a chandler upgrade

Cheers. Interesting to hear Swann will be there, would have to assume he'd have something major to contribute to the announcement/following discussion

Just listened to it. Tuesday's event will be: video announcing the 2032 plans, followed by an interview with Crisafulli, followed by an interview with Liveris, followed by a panel with Bleijie [Deputy Premier/Treasurer], Tate [GC Mayor], Schrinner [Brisbane Mayor], Greg Swann [Lions CEO], & Cate Campbell [Olympic Gold Medallist]

 

[Mr Ripper]

If we do inherit a brand-spankin 60,000 seater, you watch the rugbaleeg fraternity get up in arms.

 

[mighty_lions]

Australian Aquatics Sports Launch Eleventh Hour Bid For A 2032 Olympic And Paralympic Legacy

Australian Aquatics Sports is seeking to have a National Aquatic Centre built for the 2023 Olympic Games in Brisbane, and for future use.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

 

[Bjo187]

If we do inherit a brand-spankin 60,000 seater, you watch the rugbaleeg fraternity get up in arms.

I'm sure their meddling in the background has been the main reason behind this whole cluster**** of a situation in the first place. Coates and miles were influenced to a point of doing anything in their power to ensure the AFL wouldn't get a brand new stadium. They'll also have their hand out after this in typical nrl fashion.

 

[Grasshopper17]

It’s an interesting point about the extra seats over 60k being the most expensive to build and cheapest selling. I’d never thought of it like that

Yes I would have thought the bigger the stadium, the additional seats would actually cost less per seat, not more. I'd be interested in getting a deeper understanding of why this is not the case. I mean, you're already building a stadium, why does going from 60k to 70k increase the cost by more than going from 50k to 60k?

 

[mighty_lions]

https://archive.md/p9vFo

 

[lionraven]

Yes I would have thought the bigger the stadium, the additional seats would actually cost less per seat, not more. I'd be interested in getting a deeper understanding of why this is not the case. I mean, you're already building a stadium, why does going from 60k to 70k increase the cost by more than going from 50k to 60k?

The cost per seat against total number of seats graph would be a saw tooth shape descending downwards. There is a fixed number of minimum costs per level of stadium you create. As you increase the number of seats at that level the costs per seat would decrease until you have to build another level where the costs would jump up again. Im assuming a 60k stadium could be built with a centre number of levels wherad an 80k stadium would require extra stands or levels which would increase costs. The number of times we would sell out an 80k stadium would be less than a 60k stadium. Those last 20k seats also would be quite far from the action and would be cheaper than the seats closer to the ground. Economically it makes no sensento have an 80k stadium in Brisbane. I think we will be like Sydney averaging 40 to 50k per game. I doubt we could average 80k fans a game unless we somehow increase our population by another couple million on top of what is already predicted ie we get to Sydney or Melbourne level of population.

 

[Grasshopper17]

The cost per seat against total number of seats graph would be a saw tooth shape descending downwards. There is a fixed number of minimum costs per level of stadium you create. As you increase the number of seats at that level the costs per seat would decrease until you have to build another level where the costs would jump up again. Im assuming a 60k stadium could be built with a centre number of levels wherad an 80k stadium would require extra stands or levels which would increase costs. The number of times we would sell out an 80k stadium would be less than a 60k stadium. Those last 20k seats also would be quite far from the action and would be cheaper than the seats closer to the ground. Economically it makes no sensento have an 80k stadium in Brisbane. I think we will be like Sydney averaging 40 to 50k per game. I doubt we could average 80k fans a game unless we somehow increase our population by another couple million on top of what is already predicted ie we get to Sydney or Melbourne level of population.

Right. That makes enough sense. Thanks for that. I'm a bit surprised that 70,000 seats would require a 4th tier I suppose

 

[Dalions]

Right. That makes enough sense. Thanks for that. I'm a bit surprised that 70,000 seats would require a 4th tier I suppose

You also have the overall footprint with needs to be considered.
The more seats added to the top increases the footprint of the whole building. So therefore, more footings, more slabs, more area to be filled in down below with either larger or more rooms, more support structures, columns beams, steel. The list goes on and on.
So I see the point that adding more seats to a 60000 stadium are the most expensive seats but with the least income earnt off those seats.

It’s not just a matter of adding more seats.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

So I see the point that adding more seats to a 60000 stadium are the most expensive seats but with the least income earnt off those seats.

It’s not just a matter of adding more seats.

Just add those last seats to the front and charge more for them. Simple.

 

[Black Panther]

so is the aquatic centre at victoria park a goer again?

that'll tip the NIMBYs over the edge

well, so they actually went with it

game on NIMBYs, game on