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[briztoon]

I'm gonna call bullshit on that one Brizzy. Sorry. My mate with two girls at Mentone Girls Grammar was paying $20k per kid per year.

Can't be much cheaper in Qld.

Also, keep in mind that wasn't just high school.

Edit: and even one house deposit is enough reason not to do it in my opinion. If your kid is a hard working switched on well raised individual they could even go to Nerang high & achieve academic honours. I get the benefits of private schooling if your child is a bit of an under achiever tho lol. At least they'd have a decent network to get by you'd hope.

Everything comes from a different perspective. What you're thinking of as a house deposit, is different to the next persons idea of a house deposit. Many factors influence this, basic factors can be number of children, location and property value and considering a 20% deposit.

Those were my initial parameters.

We only have one daughter. $20k per kid from year 7 to year 12 is $120k, not factoring yearly tuition rises.

As with every other state, QLD house prices rose by 30%-40% during covid.

 

[Grasshopper17]

If people voted for better politicians we'd get better politicians.

The problem is that all the people I know who would have been fantastic politicians make far too much money and have far too much job satisfaction doing what they do to take what would be (for them) a massive backward step in their career, by becoming a politician.

I mean what's the solution? Offer politicians more money? Does that lead to the situation where the politicians we get are both money hungry AND power hungry? As opposed to being (mainly) power hungry which seems to be the problem at the moment?

 

[Grasshopper17]

Palaszczuk just resigned. Now we find out if she was the problem for you guys.

Just emailed them. Let them know about this really cool website called seek.com. Told them they might find it useful in about 12 months.

Feels nice doing my bit to help out people who are struggling a bit and might need some assistance finding a job they are good at

I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

 

[weevil]

The problem is that all the people I know who would have been fantastic politicians make far too much money and have far too much job satisfaction doing what they do to take what would be (for them) a massive backward step in their career, by becoming a politician.

I mean what's the solution? Offer politicians more money? Does that lead to the situation where the politicians we get are both money hungry AND power hungry? As opposed to being (mainly) power hungry which seems to be the problem at the moment?

Democracy is the worst form of Government, except for all those other forms that have been tried.

 

[Viceregal]

The problem is that all the people I know who would have been fantastic politicians make far too much money and have far too much job satisfaction doing what they do to take what would be (for them) a massive backward step in their career, by becoming a politician.

I mean what's the solution? Offer politicians more money? Does that lead to the situation where the politicians we get are both money hungry AND power hungry? As opposed to being (mainly) power hungry which seems to be the problem at the moment?

Are you familiar with the short speech Benjamin Franklin have to the Continental Congress about the inevitable end of you made positions of honour also positions of profit?

III. Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy - Collection at Bartleby.com

III. Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy IT is with reluctance that I rise to express a disapprobation of any one article of the plan for which we are so much obliged to the honorable gentlemen

www.bartleby.com

 

[Grasshopper17]

Are you familiar with the short speech Benjamin Franklin have to the Continental Congress about the inevitable end of you made positions of honour also positions of profit?

III. Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy - Collection at Bartleby.com

III. Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy IT is with reluctance that I rise to express a disapprobation of any one article of the plan for which we are so much obliged to the honorable gentlemen

www.bartleby.com

I am now. Mind you he's used a thousand words when probably 100 would have done the trick.

 

[wantok]

Games Authority to be returned to an Independent body outside the Premiers Dept as the annointed Premier moves to distance himself from the previous Administration 2.7b Gabba spend and all other infrastructure to be reviewed over next 2 months. Who would have thought? This could lead to 2 outcomes for the Lions. Either the Demolition is cancelled and the Gabba just revamped or the RNA funding will be found with the demolition continuing.

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[M Malice]

 

[weevil]

I'm completely shocked that new leadership is going to reevaluate everything. Who would have ever seen this coming? /s

 

[RoyBoy17]

Keeping political parties out of it, for me in the medium to long term the complete redevelopment and new state of the art GABBA will be huge for the club and and city.

Revamping or refurbing a stadium of this size is not easy and will not lead to substantial improvements to justify the cost (however smaller it may be than a complete redevelopment) and we will be in the same position in 10-15 years time with the GABBA. That is also a waste of money. A complete redevelopment in 20 years will be substantially higher in cost than what it will be now. So lets get it done in this window.

A huge infrastructure rebuild pays dividends over time. One being the luxury of not having to update or touch the thing for another lifetime if things are done properly.

In my opinion a refurb is a band aid approach. It will cost the city and the lions more in the long term. Our member base may be 80k in 2035!

Also, if RNA will only hold 20k that's fine for now provided we cap the attendance of away fans (i.e. away fans must be a member of their club and have their ticket allocation capped at 500).

 

[M Malice]

Keeping political parties out of it, for me in the medium to long term the complete redevelopment and new state of the art GABBA will be huge for the club and and city.

Revamping or refurbing a stadium of this size is not easy and will not lead to substantial improvements to justify the cost (however smaller it may be than a complete redevelopment) and we will be in the same position in 10-15 years time with the GABBA. That is also a waste of money. A complete redevelopment in 20 years will be substantially higher in cost than what it will be now. So lets get it done in this window.

A huge infrastructure rebuild pays dividends over time. One being the luxury of not having to update or touch the thing for another lifetime if things are done properly.

In my opinion a refurb is a band aid approach. It will cost the city and the lions more in the long term. Our member base may be 80k in 2035!

Also, if RNA will only hold 20k that's fine for now provided we cap the attendance of away fans (i.e. away fans must be a member of their club and have their ticket allocation capped at 500).

100%, an opportunity for a brand new Stadium doesn't come along that often, Olympics is the perfect excuse for us to ride on the coat tails of... new Gabba is a no brainer.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

A complete redevelopment in 20 years will be substantially higher in cost than what it will be now. So lets get it done in this window.

Will it? There's no way to predict that. It's entirely possible that the cost of building materials grows less than general inflation in 20 years, especially if there's a slowdown in places like China due to the effects of the one child policy catching up with them. It's also possible building methods get more efficient with a greater use of machinery and robotics. And yes, the opposite is possible too. The point is we don't know if the cost will be substantially higher than general inflation.

A huge infrastructure rebuild pays dividends over time. One being the luxury of not having to update or touch the thing for another lifetime if things are done properly.

A lifetime sounds a little optimistic. The Gabba had a full redevelopment 20-30 years ago and people think it's no longer fit for purpose. Waverley Park only lasted 29 years also.

 

[dlanod]

A lifetime sounds a little optimistic. The Gabba had a full redevelopment 20-30 years ago and people think it's no longer fit for purpose. Waverley Park only lasted 29 years also.

You don't know how long he plans to live. Don't judge!

But yeah, the current attitude is 25-30 years which always seems ridiculous to me.

 

[Crusha]

The current Gabba will see out my lifetime......... I'll be "lucky" to still be around for the Olympics.

If I am, the letter from the King will end it for me (one way or the other ...... all hail the Republic).

 

[M Malice]

The current Gabba will see out my lifetime......... I'll be "lucky" to still be around for the Olympics.

If I am, the letter from the King will end it for me (one way or the other ...... all hail the Republic).

I will be 73 in the Olympic year, I think their is a fair to middling chance that I will still be above ground.

Hopefully the Lions have won at least 2-3 more flags by then as well.

I will be sweet with departing this mortal coil after that and would like it to be via murder, by a jealous husband of a supermodel.

 

[Section 5]

Games Authority to be returned to an Independent body outside the Premiers Dept as the annointed Premier moves to distance himself from the previous Administration 2.7b Gabba spend and all other infrastructure to be reviewed over next 2 months. Who would have thought? This could lead to 2 outcomes for the Lions. Either the Demolition is cancelled and the Gabba just revamped or the RNA funding will be found with the demolition continuing.

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Don't be surprised if the independent body come back with something a little different from what you are thinking or hoping for.
Most likely they will suggest a rethink on the Brisbane Arena instead of The Gabba rebuild. Time will tell i suppose.
The Redland Whitewater Centre could also come under scrutiny.

They only have 7 new venues to look at in total.
Well, you would think that is what they would concentrate on initially anyhow.

The Gabba - $2.7 billion. State to fund project.
Brisbane Arena - $2.5+billion. Commonwealth to fund up to $2.5 billion.

Redland Whitewater Centre - 50/50 State and Federal funding with council land to be used.
Alternate is the Penrith (Syd Olympic) facility that just got a $3 million upgrade approval.

"Of the last six (Olympic) whitewater stadiums which were built, three were abandoned - effectively concrete swamps - and three have been running in the red.
Penrith Whitewater Stadium: Year ending June 30, 2022, resulted in a loss of $412,662 before depreciation, amortisation, and interest.
But there are other issues with Redlands. See links below.

Rumble over plans for $300 million Brisbane Olympics 'white elephant'

www.9news.com.au

“Ageing” Penrith Whitewater Stadium in limbo after 21-year agreement expires • The Western Weekender

Penrith Whitewater Stadium (PWS) is locked in to host the 2025 ICF Canoe Slalom World Championships but the path to get there seems like it will be a rocky one.

westernweekender.com.au

I don't see the independent body seeing any issues with the other venues unless they set out to find something.
Funding 50/50 State & Federal with local councils putting in land should they own it.

Chandler Indoor Sports Centre: New building within the Sleeman Sports Complex.
To be used for Olympic gymnastics and wheelchair basketball.
The old building was built for the Brisbane Commonwealth Games in 1982. Would have been 50 years old by Olympic Games time.
New capacity 10,000 up from existing 2,700.

Moreton Bay Indoor Sports Centre: Location Petrie. Total of 7,000 seats for Olympic Boxing.
Same precinct as UniSC Moreton Bay.

Sunshine Coast Indoor Sports Centre: New building located within the existing Kawana Sports Precinct. Will be used for basketball, netball, volleyball, futsal, badminton before and after the Olympics.
Will be used for Olympic basketball preliminaries with 6,000 seats.

Breakfast Creek Indoor Sports Center: Already part of a Masterplan for the area, location at Albion. Olympic basketball.

 

[wantok]

"Don't be surprised if the independent body come back with something a little different from what you are thinking or hoping for.
Most likely they will suggest a rethink on the Brisbane Arena instead of The Gabba rebuild. Time will tell i suppose.
The Redland Whitewater Centre could also come under scrutiny."

The Political Pressure point is the Gabba. Online polling currently sits around 80% against the Demolition. If it's in the first few sentences uttered by Miles as prospective leader their internal polling and focus groups likely are trending strongly the same way. The article by Cameron Milner urging a rethink was a window deep into their campaign strategy. He is a savvy operator and would not write the article without a strategic purpose.
Based on your extensive research the other venues seem similarly problematic but I'm really only interested in what effects the Lions.

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[Fatcat08]

The school has a full-time investigator who tracks down families falsely claiming to live in the catchment.

Parents have to provide a dozen pages of documentation proving that they live in the catchment. Leases, licences, phone/internet, electricity bills etc. The school checks the amounts on the bills to make sure they match the number of people the family claims live in the house.

Probably wouldn't need them if they didn't take so many out of catchment kids in their gifted and talented programs

 

[Gadzorks]

The current Gabba will see out my lifetime......... I'll be "lucky" to still be around for the Olympics.

If I am, the letter from the King will end it for me (one way or the other ...... all hail the Republic).

Impressive.
I chose the wrong parents - dead by 46 and 63. Should have chose you.

 

[Crusha]

Impressive.
I chose the wrong parents - dead by 46 and 63. Should have chose you.

Clarification req'd:
1. I was referring to the current Gabba ..... if it wasn't demolished (so, good for another 25-30yrs perhaps)
2. I didn't specify which Olympics ...... (although '32 probably fits the bill, given it's a "self abuse miracle" that I've made it this far)
3. The letter would actually be due around the time the current Gabba reaches condemned status (if left as is)

ps The "puke" re. the Royals should not require clarrification.


Footnote: I do have your dearly departed well & truly covered already ........ although that would never have been the case if SWMBO hadn't happened into my life.

 

[weevil]

Don't be surprised if the independent body come back with something a little different from what you are thinking or hoping for.
Most likely they will suggest a rethink on the Brisbane Arena instead of The Gabba rebuild. Time will tell i suppose.
The Redland Whitewater Centre could also come under scrutiny.

They only have 7 new venues to look at in total.
Well, you would think that is what they would concentrate on initially anyhow.

The Gabba - $2.7 billion. State to fund project.
Brisbane Arena - $2.5+billion. Commonwealth to fund up to $2.5 billion.

Redland Whitewater Centre - 50/50 State and Federal funding with council land to be used.
Alternate is the Penrith (Syd Olympic) facility that just got a $3 million upgrade approval.

"Of the last six (Olympic) whitewater stadiums which were built, three were abandoned - effectively concrete swamps - and three have been running in the red.
Penrith Whitewater Stadium: Year ending June 30, 2022, resulted in a loss of $412,662 before depreciation, amortisation, and interest.
But there are other issues with Redlands. See links below.

Rumble over plans for $300 million Brisbane Olympics 'white elephant'

www.9news.com.au

“Ageing” Penrith Whitewater Stadium in limbo after 21-year agreement expires • The Western Weekender

Penrith Whitewater Stadium (PWS) is locked in to host the 2025 ICF Canoe Slalom World Championships but the path to get there seems like it will be a rocky one.

westernweekender.com.au

I don't see the independent body seeing any issues with the other venues unless they set out to find something.
Funding 50/50 State & Federal with local councils putting in land should they own it.

Chandler Indoor Sports Centre: New building within the Sleeman Sports Complex.
To be used for Olympic gymnastics and wheelchair basketball.
The old building was built for the Brisbane Commonwealth Games in 1982. Would have been 50 years old by Olympic Games time.
New capacity 10,000 up from existing 2,700.

Moreton Bay Indoor Sports Centre: Location Petrie. Total of 7,000 seats for Olympic Boxing.
Same precinct as UniSC Moreton Bay.

Sunshine Coast Indoor Sports Centre: New building located within the existing Kawana Sports Precinct. Will be used for basketball, netball, volleyball, futsal, badminton before and after the Olympics.
Will be used for Olympic basketball preliminaries with 6,000 seats.

Breakfast Creek Indoor Sports Center: Already part of a Masterplan for the area, location at Albion. Olympic basketball.
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It all depends on how driven by politics it will/has been and if the government could in any way get their messaging together.

Otherwise, the narrative will continue to be driven by the clickbait NIMBYs and they will just give up and go for expedient outcomes that end up being worse off in the long run.

 

[Crimso]

I will be 73 in the Olympic year, I think their is a fair to middling chance that I will still be above ground.

Hopefully the Lions have won at least 2-3 more flags by then as well.

I will be sweet with departing this mortal coil after that and would like it to be via murder, by a jealous husband of a supermodel.

I don’t think that I’d want to be murdered for someone else’s deeds with a supermodel.

 

[CarterS]

Michael Vaughan in town for the Big Bash, the other night he basically said 'why are they thinking of knocking this stadium down? It's great'
If I was the new Premier I would be saying, come up with an option that doesn't involve knocking the stadium down and rebuilding it.

 

[weevil]

Michael Vaughan in town for the Big Bash, the other night he basically said 'why are they thinking of knocking this stadium down? It's great'
If I was the new Premier I would be saying, come up with an option that doesn't involve knocking the stadium down and rebuilding it.

It's a super easy thing to say if you're not responsible for any of the details.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Michael Vaughan in town for the Big Bash, the other night he basically said 'why are they thinking of knocking this stadium down? It's great'
If I was the new Premier I would be saying, come up with an option that doesn't involve knocking the stadium down and rebuilding it.

No disrespect but Michael Vaughan is very unqualified when giving his thoughts on whether The Gabba should be knocked down.

I see both sides of a refurbishment and a new stadium. I dont mind The Gabba as it is right now but the amenities for both supporters and sportmen & women using it are sub-standard. Cricket Australia took away the first test from the Gabba saying it wasn't up to test standard and they were not talking about the pitch. The current seating capacity isn't what it should be & that will only grow for the next 5-6 years to an extent where a lot of people won't be able to go there because of constant/consistent sell outs.

In my opinion the bare bones of The Gabba are OK and I wouldn't necessarily just pull it down if there is some smart idea that could give it a facelift and improve seating capacity like they continually do at The MCG and down in Geelong. The $2.7 Billion cost to re-build will end up being over $3 Billion by the time it's completed and I have a hard time coming to grips with that cost when we have so many other serious problems out there that desperately need cash injections. Even if a facelift costs us several $100 Million, I would think that as a better option right now at this time.