Moved Thread Garry Ablett Matthew Kennedy & God

[chelseacarlton]

I haven’t said anywhere in here that it isn’t if you actually read what I’ve written.

That’s why I posted Haggards Law.
Many like you, protesteth too much, just like Israel!
It’s my contention that Israel is massively into ****!

 

[M Malice]

That’s why I posted Haggards Law.
Many like you, protesteth too much, just like Israel!
It’s my contention that Israel is massively into ****!

He's fighting his innate proclivities, give into it Israel, us heathens will accept you the way you are.

 

[PhatBoy]

That’s why I posted Haggards Law.
Many like you, protesteth too much, just like Israel!
It’s my contention that Israel is massively into ****!

Whatever floats your boat mate

 

[chelseacarlton]

Whatever floats your boat mate

Gravitational versus buoyancy as rule mate.
I just like calling idiots out for their idiotic beliefs and I targeted you based upon those criteria!

 

[chelseacarlton]

He's fighting his innate proclivities, give into it Israel, us heathens will accept you the way you are.

As Mofra posted on the bay

 

[PhatBoy]

Gravitational versus buoyancy as rule mate.
I just like calling idiots out for their idiotic beliefs and I targeted you based upon those criteria!

Congratulations on going a very strange way about it

 

[its free real estate]

Someone in this thread uses way too many exclamation marks.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Someone in this thread uses way too many exclamation marks.

When required, justified!

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

No, what I am suggesting is that you lot are very good at finger pointing when really you should be cleaning up your own backyard. Homosexuality should be the least of your concerns given the disgrace that is your religion.

With the incredible damage that Christianity has inflicted upon mankind you'll forgive the sane among us for eyeing the lot of you with suspicion and pointing out your arrogance and hypocrisy.

Israel Folau is a grub. As is anyone who supports his position. It is not good enough to hide behind Christianity. Most Christians are little more than judgmental hypocrites who lack the ability to think for themselves. And spare us all the "unconditional love" bullshit. Christianity puts conditions on everything.

Ha yep, God loves you ...but only if you follow his rules!!

A lot of Christians aren’t really about anything other than saving themselves...and they can’t see it.
Following and proclaiming the rules , loving one another etc isn’t about helping anyone else, it’s about getting their golden ticket into heaven.

If it was proven their God didn’t exist, a lot would drop the bullshite self serving carp in an instant.
Absolute self centred hypocrites.

But Apologies to real Christians who selflessly offer their aid and charity to others for no self gain - and there are many of them. Kudos to you.

 

[Snake_Baker]

When are people going to wake up that religion existed as a means of control over the masses, and has lost all relevance since "democracy" took over that role?

 

[madrigal]

When are people going to wake up that religion existed as a means of control over the masses, and has lost all relevance since "democracy" took over that role?

That seems to be a an over simplification. According to Evo biologist Bret Weinstein "belief systems have flourished because they have facilitated the interests of the creatures involved,"

 

[madrigal]

I can not believe that people still think homosexuality is a choice, homosexuals are attracted to people of the same sex, exactly like heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex.

Who are you talking about that does not agree that sexual preference is not a choice?

 

[Snake_Baker]

That seems to be a an over simplification. According to Evo biologist Bret Weinstein "belief systems have flourished because they have facilitated the interests of the creatures in volved control"

I'd just make a slight adjustment to your comment

 

[madrigal]

I'd just make a slight adjustment to your comment

That would be a very arrogant adjustment, not to mention ignorant one and contrary to history.

 

[M Malice]

Who are you talking about that does not agree that sexual preference is not a choice?

IIRC several times by various posters over numerous threads over a few years, I couldn't be bothered going back over this and other threads where it has been mentioned as a lifestyle choice, you'll just have to take my word for it ........or not.

 

[madrigal]

IIRC several times by various posters over numerous threads over a few years, I couldn't be bothered going back over this and other threads where it has been mentioned as a lifestyle choice, you'll just have to take my word for it ........or not.

If you believe in Haggard's law mentioned earlier, it would make sense that these people believe it is a choice, because for them they are choosing in opposition to their desire.

 

[Pie eyed]

It's hardly off-point when you quite explicitly state that someone you disagree with should not be allowed to say something. You're quite clearly advocating for certain speech to be made illegal, which is of course enforced by the State. That's what the law is.

We have more exclusion and isolation now? I believe it was the same post I quoted that you noted how far we've come since it's only recently that the Indigenous have been allowed to vote and SSM passed etc. Which is it? Is society become more tolerant or not?

My post makes no sense to you because you can't see past the cycle in your head that goes "That's offensive, you cant say that. That's offensive, you can't say that..." Yes - things can be offensive. Again though - so what? Do we legislate against people making others sad too? What does your emotional reaction have to do with anything the State should be legislating for?

Society isn't choc full of minority hating racists and homophobes. Obviously. So your misplaced fear about letting a tiny fraction of extremist political groups say what they want is ridiculous. You are catastrophising it. This isn't 1938 - there will be no holocaust come from One Nation. Just a lot of hot air and useless rhetoric. Do you hold such contempt for society that you can't trust them to speak up against groups like One Nation? Because they do. It's exactly what happens right now, and why that sort of political party will remain borderline inconsequential to the bigger picture. How about we don't coddle everyone by banning speech we don't like? People's autonomy is not to be messed with. Certainly not because you might be offended.

I know exactly how dangerous the far right wing is. I also understand history, so I know exactly how dangerous impinging on individual autonomy is, and the propensity for good intentions like restrictions on free speech to cause bad results.

I think the booing of Gableet for his exposed religious beliefs is nothing more than a message from the majority that they will no longer tolerate the view of the minority unchallenged.
I applaud it.

 

[chelseacarlton]

If you believe in Haggard's law mentioned earlier, it would make sense that these people believe it is a choice, because for them they are choosing in opposition to their desire.

Ahh, I think you need a re-reading of the law!

 

[M Malice]

Ahh, I think you need a re-reading of the law!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph#Male_homosexuality

Male homosexuality[edit]
Phallometry may be able to distinguish gay men from heterosexual men.[23][24][25] A phallometric study indicated that men who are more homophobic show greater penile arousal to stimuli depicting gay sex than do less homophobic men.[26]

 

[madrigal]

Ahh, I think you need a re-reading of the law!

Sorry I interpreted it as homophobes are likely to be closet homosexuals. In other words although they are homosexual they choose to act in a heterosexual way.

 

[madrigal]

A phallometric study indicated that men who are more homophobic show greater penile arousal to stimuli depicting gay sex than do less homophobic men.[26]

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Sorry I interpreted it as homophobes are likely to be closet homosexuals. In other words although they are homosexual they choose to act in a heterosexual way.

No, you’re confusing the entire premise of the law.
The more vocal the person demonising homosexuality, the greater the likelihood that the person may be harbouring homosexual desires.

 

[madrigal]

No, you’re confusing the entire premise of the law.
The more vocal the person demonising homosexuality, the greater the likelihood that the person may be harbouring homosexual desires.

That is almost exactly what I said, but however you want to phrase it. It is no surprise that someone who is vocal in demonising homosexuality would choose to present themselves in the opposite way and such a person would likely view the issue through their own lens. "If I can pretend to be straight why can't other homosexuals".

 

[ShanDog]

I think the booing of Gableet for his exposed religious beliefs is nothing more than a message from the majority that they will no longer tolerate the view of the minority unchallenged.
I applaud it.

Correct. Free speech in action.

 

[madrigal]

Correct. Free speech in action.

We also know some religions are anti-gay and we know some players belong to said religions, yet the view is not challenged unless expressed on social media, which makes it a version of don't ask don't tell tolerance and just as spineless and hypocritical as that policy was.