Gay Weddings

[Monkster]

I know, but they are legitimate reasons for marrying! In my opinion, some standards need to be maintained in order for marriage to exist as a social contract; some rules need to apply. Elsewise, marriage becomes a sham...

That being said, your opinions on divorce please? Annulments? Carmen Electra & Dennis Rodman?

 

[IntheNet]

your statement that gays shouldnt marry because of ''procreative reasons'' was shown to be invalid...

No. Reread post. I listed procreation as one of many reasons couples One male and one female) choose to marry. I also listed a few reasons same sex people should not marry. Hardly invalid. I also listed example (cat/dog nuptial) of what will be permitted if we, as a society, loose the restrictions thereupon.

It is a priority that homosexuals themselves surface reasons that traditional society consider before we loose the restrictions of traditional marriage, not the other way around. To date, they have not. No valid reasons have been surfaced for changing the restrictions of traditional marriage; i.e., male and female bond recognized by society.

What is being pushed by the homosexual lobby is same sex marriage as a means of social acceptence. Such does not make a valid reason for changing the generations old rule defining what constitutes a marriage. Nor should it.

 

[Monkster]

No. Reread post. I listed procreation as one of many reasons couples One male and one female) choose to marry.

In all fairness he did say "further".

It is a priority that homosexuals themselves surface reasons that traditional society consider before we loose the restrictions of traditional marriage, not the other way around. To date, they have not. No valid reasons have been surfaced for changing the restrictions of traditional marriage; i.e., male and female bond recognized by society.

What about legal reasons? Such as being able to claim tax as a married couple?

 

[mantis]

No. Reread post. I listed procreation as one of many reasons couples One male and one female) choose to marry. I also listed a few reasons same sex people should not marry. Hardly invalid. I also listed example (cat/dog nuptial) of what will be permitted if we, as a society, loose the restrictions thereupon.

It is a priority that homosexuals themselves surface reasons that traditional society consider before we loose the restrictions of traditional marriage, not the other way around. To date, they have not. No valid reasons have been surfaced for changing the restrictions of traditional marriage; i.e., male and female bond recognized by society.

What is being pushed by the homosexual lobby is same sex marriage as a means of social acceptence. Such does not make a valid reason for changing the generations old rule defining what constitutes a marriage. Nor should it.

What about interacial marriage, is it Ok if a black man marries a white woman?

 

[IntheNet]

What about interacial marriage, is it Ok if a black man marries a white woman?

I have no objections, but said couple should think about children from such a union and abuse they may face due to stereotype thinking in some segmemts of society that still scorn such unions. But on its face, interracial marriage should be allowed. My only concern would be children's psychological factors.

 

[IntheNet]

What about legal reasons? Such as being able to claim tax as a married couple?

Society should not predicate a social union as important as marriage upon financial factors, such as tax reasons, but rather traditional factors of acceptance, in my opinion.

 

[mantis]

I have no objections, but said couple should think about children from such a union and abuse they may face due to stereotype thinking in some segmemts of society that still scorn such unions. But on its face, interracial marriage should be allowed. My only concern would be children's psychological factors.

Hate to break the news to you, but interacial marriages have been happening for ages & they have been producing children, don't know what psychological factors you are alluding too, but shock horror, some are doctors, politicians, architects, lawyers etc, etc,.

After all, if they get married they have to procreate, because that's what getting married is supposed to be about isn't it?

 

[- PC -]

No. Reread post. I listed procreation as one of many reasons couples One male and one female) choose to marry.

No you said

It promotes immorality and grants social acceptance of perversion. Further, there is no procreative reason for it

I highlighted the bit about procreative reasons and gave examples of marriages that are not for procreative reasons. So your statement ''there is no procreative reason ( gays should marry) for it'' is invalid

I also listed example (cat/dog nuptial) of what will be permitted if we, as a society, loose the restrictions thereupon.

Too late sunshineSo, you adore your pet, consult him when channel switching and give him fish every Sunday. But if you really love him and you're in this for life, isn't it time you married your pet

It is a priority that homosexuals themselves surface reasons that traditional society consider before we loose the restrictions of traditional marriage, not the other way around. To date, they have not.
What is being pushed by the homosexual lobby is same sex marriage as a means of social acceptence. Such does not make a valid reason for changing the generations old rule defining what constitutes a marriage. Nor should it.

Whats a traditional marriage?

No valid reasons have been surfaced for changing the restrictions of traditional marriage; i.e., male and female bond recognized by society.

Equality of property disposal in the event of death, visiting rights in intensive care, access to superannuation, taxation purposes... the list goes on

 

[IntheNet]

Whats a traditional marriage?

One in which 2,000 years of society has agreed acceptable and deems with honor and respect, not one in which two social misfits are using as a stepstone to engender social acceptance!

 

[- PC -]

One in which 2,000 years of society has agreed acceptable and deems with honor and respect, not one in which two social misfits are using as a stepstone to engender social acceptance!

Yep sounds about rig... oh wait what about polygamy ? Oh yeh what about arranged marriages like in India and in the Middle Ages? We could do the Hebrew way... marry your brothers wife after he dies.

What about love?

Joseph Campbell, in the Power of Myth, mentions that the Twelfth century troubadours were the first ones who thought of courtly love in the same way we do now. The whole notion of romance apparently didn't exist until medieval times, and the troubadours.

What about these different forms of marriage

Some varieties of marriage are


polygamy
Definition: Having more than one spouse at a time, such as one man with several wives or one woman with several husbands

polygyny
Definition: Having several wives at the same time

polyandry
Definition: Having several husbands at the same time

endogamy
Definition: The requirement to marry someone who belongs to his or her own social group, family, clan, or tribe.

exogamy
Definition: The requirement by law to have to marry someone from another geographical area, social group, family, clan, or tribe

common law marriage
Definition: A relationship that is created by commitment and agreement to cohabitate rather than by a religious or civil wedding ceremony.

monogamy
Definition: The practice of remaining faithful, sexually, to one person at a time. Also refers to having one spouse at a time.

so you see your definition needs working on. I guess your too scared to say ''traditional church sponsored unions based on the idea that God brings man and woman together , as in Adam and Eve, to procreate and create in Gods own image''

Just in case you wanted to read more

 

[demon_dave]

Right or wrong?

discuss

whatever rocks your boat or should I say "whoever blows your trumpet"

 

[IntheNet]

I guess your too scared to say ''traditional church sponsored unions based on the idea that God brings man and woman together , as in Adam and Eve, to procreate and create in Gods own image''

I purposely did not bring religion into this discussion; you did! But since you did, and since you seem to be an advocate of such perversion of humanity, which, I gathered, you were scared to admit, but are quite willing to support, through the corruption of the institution of traditional marriage, which everyone admits will occur, when such filth is allowed to partake.

 

[demon_dave]

I purposely did not bring religion into this discussion; you did! But since you did, and since you seem to be an advocate of such perversion of humanity, which, I gathered, you were scared to admit, but are quite willing to support, through the corruption of the institution of traditional marriage, which everyone admits will occur, when such filth is allowed to partake.

mmmmmmmmmm okay, I suggest you lighten up a bit mate, just because a couple of pillow-biters want to put a ring on each others fingers does not mean the end of the civilsed world as we know it....

 

[Murray]

Gay weddings

Good thing, should be legal (and recognised) and allowed in all church denominations.

The more the better - no need to hide or do it in secret.
Total recognition of spouse for tax, super and next of kin.

Why? What's the problem?

 

[theGimp]

Gay weddings
The more the better

Its one thing to approve of it but thats going a bit far isnt it.
Do you think general society would be better off if gay marriage was in the majority ?

 

[Murray]

Its one thing to approve of it but thats going a bit far isnt it.
Do you think general society would be better off if gay marriage was in the majority ?

Hmmm, now I know there is a thought process in there somewhere - it's just that I can't figure out what it is.

 

[medusala]

Good thing, should be legal (and recognised) and allowed in all church denominations.

So you want Howard to force the Catholic Church to recognise and carry out gay marriages?

 

[Monkster]

and allowed in all church denominations.

I agree with everything you said except for that, what the church does is the churchs business (provided it isn't illegal of course) and no one elses, and please don't come back with "oh but if gay marriage was legal it would be illegal for them not to marry gays" because that's just a pathetic response.

 

[theGimp]

Hmmm, now I know there is a thought process in there somewhere - it's just that I can't figure out what it is.

Let me explain it to you Murray you absolute muppet.

You claimed the more gay marriages the better. Can you fathom the consequences of your statement ? Obviously not, or perhaps you dont really believe your own crap after all. Are you just after some attention or something Murray.
Grow some balls and back it up for a change or head back to the AFL board where you belong.

ahh why bother, I can see Im dealing with someone who just shoots his PC mouth off without thinking. Carry on.

 

[Murray]

So you want Howard to force the Catholic Church to recognise and carry out gay marriages?

Oh sorry, I didn't realise you consider should to be defined as must in your world.

Can you let me have your translations in advance please - ta

 

[Z_K]

Do you think general society would be better off if gay marriage was in the majority ?

FFS.

If the world went topsy turpvy all of the sudden and the supposed 'one in ten' rule was totally flipped around, I don't think society would be any better or worse off. They are people getting married.

It doesn't effect you in the slightest. Why would anyone care? I don't care if you want to marry a small Japanese car or a meditating albino sheep.

The sad thing about people like you is that you will probably never realise how your inability to open your mind will inhibit your potential as a human being. Just let people do their thing.

Why do you care if a couple of gay fellas get married?

 

[Murray]

Let me explain it to you Murray you absolute muppet.

You claimed the more gay marriages the better. Can you fathom the consequences of your statement ? Obviously not, or perhaps you dont really believe your own crap after all. Are you just after some attention or something Murray.
Grow some balls and back it up for a change or head back to the AFL board where you belong.

ahh why bother, I can see Im dealing with someone who just shoots his PC mouth off without thinking. Carry on.

Thanks for that

 

[SydneyBomber]

I purposely did not bring religion into this discussion; you did! But since you did, and since you seem to be an advocate of such perversion of humanity, which, I gathered, you were scared to admit, but are quite willing to support, through the corruption of the institution of traditional marriage, which everyone admits will occur, when such filth is allowed to partake.

wow - so hateful, yet so ignorant.
you go girl!

 

[bunsen burner]

Wrong.

Reasons: It promotes immorality

Please explain what is immoral with homosexuality.

and grants social acceptance of perversion.

Please explain why gay sex is perverted whilst hetro sex isn't.

Further, there is no procreative reason for it.

You've already been comprehensively spanked on this point so I needn't bother.

 

[theGimp]

FFS.
If the world went topsy turpvy all of the sudden and the supposed 'one in ten' rule was totally flipped around, I don't think society would be any better or worse off. They are people getting married.

Then you sir may join the muppet brigade. Laughable statement.

It doesn't effect you in the slightest. Why would anyone care? I don't care if you want to marry a small Japanese car or a meditating albino sheep.

Never claimed it did. Thanks for your approval though.

The sad thing about people like you is that you will probably never realise how your inability to open your mind will inhibit your potential as a human being. Just let people do their thing.

Thank you for the life advice Mr Dalai Lama. Do you realise that you have made a complete analysis of my thought process without having a clue at all. I have no problem with gay marriage, not in the slightest. I dont necessarily approve, id prefer my kids to marry someone of the opposite sex but it does not affect me in the slightest. Shock horror hey.
What I would have a problem with is if that became the norm. Then it would affect me. Do you understand in you all knowing chair now ?

Why do you care if a couple of gay fellas get married?

I dont, I care if a couple of billion do it though.
You just imagined the rest.