Review Geelong beat tiggers by 3 points

[Goggin Our Best]

When they get everything spot on, they are the biggest danger to a Melbourne side close to its best.
Even when Melbourne gave them a bit of a touch up, Richmond absorbed Melbourne’s best for quite a while before they broke. Melbourne aren’t invincible but when they are ‘on’ they are too good, and Richmond actually handled the ‘on’ Melbourne better than I’ve seen other teams handle them.

What robbo said doesn’t change the result, it doesn’t change the fact that for close to an hour we weren’t just better we were clearly better, but for the other other we were outplayed and Richmond, were nearly flawless.

Richmond’s best being the second best in the comp, and us being a better side this year than them in general terms, are not mutually exclusive ideas

I agree with the gist of your post

However i disagree - and still think Rich ( like all teams ) are a mile off Melbs best

When they met ( and i watched that game ) Melb won by 22pts - they should have won by about 14 goals 9.22 to 8.6 - 17 more scoring shots- they dominated that game - one aspect which caught my eye - Bolton who is a terrific player for Rich - Petracca and Oliver just brushed him aside - just far too good

If the Demons tweek that forward line - and its on song in Sept - god help the opposition

 

[Romeoh1]

This is all just opinion, but I was at the game and I disagree. Richmond got three of the last four goals in the second quarter. If the Geelong players had relaxed during the second quarter, surely they wouldn't still be relaxed at the start of the third quarter. Doesn't make sense. We only led by 20 points at half time. That isn't a decent lead.

But Richmond then kicked five goals to one in the third. They were all over us.

We failed to capitalise on our dominance in the first quarter and a half and gave them an opening, which they took. And it isn't the first time it's happened.

Except in days gone by, if they got 17 points up halfway through the last quarter, they would have gone on with it and won pretty comfortably.
That didn’t happen this time.

 

[PhatBoy]

Isn’t part of being “good” producing your best often enough to compete with the big boys?

I’m not and nobody else is arguing about how good they are. The speculation is what level their best football is at, and whether or not they can produce it long enough to do any damage.

Which in turn would decide how ‘good’ they are.

 

[catempire]

I’m not and nobody else is arguing about how good they are. The speculation is what level their best football is at, and whether or not they can produce it long enough to do any damage.

Which in turn would decide how ‘good’ they are.

Seems a bit vacuous to talk about the best a side can be without pairing it with how often they produce it.

 

[bulletproof]

Scott gave Blicavs 5 and would have felt it was inappropriate to give Stewart votes. 100% certain.

Do the bookmakers ever bet on club best and fairests?

Blicavs is heading for his third Carji whether people like it or not.

 

[PhatBoy]

Seems a bit vacuous to talk about the best a side can be without pairing it with how often they produce it.

Why?

Every side has a ceiling and a basement and that’s what makes them interesting. It’s why there is a side every year who probably can’t make the finals but can end a better side’s chances of making them. There is always a ‘spoiler’ or a dangerous side that the finals teams are looking over their shoulder at. Generally there is always ‘the side’ who is not the best but is the one who maybe can dethrone the dominant side and the status of those sides is literally based around a) their peak potential and b) the regularity with which they can produce it both within a single game, and on a week to week basis.

In the NRL Parramatta aren’t close to being as good as Melbourne and Penrith, and probably not North Queensland. Yet they’ve beaten all 3 this season. Now that’s not a like for like comparison BECAUSE they’ve actually beaten those sides but the fact is they don’t produce their best footy with anything like the consistency of the other three sides. But everyone knows if they click on a given day, they can topple anyone

 

[catempire]

Why?

Every side has a ceiling and a basement and that’s what makes them interesting. It’s why there is a side every year who probably can’t make the finals but can end a better side’s chances of making them. There is always a ‘spoiler’ or a dangerous side that the finals teams are looking over their shoulder at. Generally there is always ‘the side’ who is not the best but is the one who maybe can dethrone the dominant side and the status of those sides is literally based around a) their peak potential and b) the regularity with which they can produce it both within a single game, and on a week to week basis.

In the NRL Parramatta aren’t close to being as good as Melbourne and Penrith, and probably not North Queensland. Yet they’ve beaten all 3 this season. Now that’s not a like for like comparison BECAUSE they’ve actually beaten those sides but the fact is they don’t produce their best footy with anything like the consistency of the other three sides. But everyone knows if they click on a given day, they can topple anyone

In finals you have to play at least three very high quality matches. I just don’t see a side doing that where they have a “high ceiling” but not the requisite ability to perform close to that ceiling for sustained periods.

 

[PhatBoy]

In finals you have to play at least three very high quality matches. I just don’t see a side doing that where they have a “high ceiling” but not the requisite ability to perform close to that ceiling for sustained periods.

Again though, they don’t need to in order to spoil it. I can’t see the current Richmond side stringing together 3-4 games against top tier opposition where they are good enough to win all of them. But I don’t reckon any side in the 8 would want to play them because I reckon they can at least end someone’s season.

 

[catempire]

Again though, they don’t need to in order to spoil it. I can’t see the current Richmond side stringing together 3-4 games against top tier opposition where they are good enough to win all of them. But I don’t reckon any side in the 8 would want to play them because I reckon they can at least end someone’s season.

I see a significant difference between labelling a side the “second best” (apparently Robbo’s claim with which you agreed) and being capable of ending a side’s season in September. Each year two Elimination finalists end another side’s season and most often they lose the next week. That’s the current trajectory for Richmond.

 

[PhatBoy]

I see a significant difference between labelling a side the “second best” (apparently Robbo’s claim with which you agreed) and being capable of ending a side’s season in September. Each year two Elimination finalists end another side’s season and most often they lose the next week. That’s the current trajectory for Richmond.

I don’t see why it needs to be a debate of semantics. He literally said that their best footy is the second best in the comp and I tend to agree. It doesn’t make them the second best team.

It’s not a lie to say that Mitchell Starc’s best bowling is the highest level of any current Australian bowler and to also say that he’s only the third best current Australian bowler

 

[catempire]

I don’t see why it needs to be a debate of semantics. He literally said that their best footy is the second best in the comp and I tend to agree. It doesn’t make them the second best team.

It’s not a lie to say that Mitchell Starc’s best bowling is the highest level of any current Australian bowler and to also say that he’s only the third best current Australian bowler

I was replying to you literally saying they were the second best team. I haven’t seen/heard Robbo’s comments so am relying on you for what he actually said. Again, I don’t see it as semantics. I see the two being quite different.

Take off the blue and white glasses when assessing Robbo’s take that Richmond’s best might be the second best in the comp.

He’s right.

 

[PhatBoy]

I was replying to you literally saying they were the second best team. I haven’t seen/heard Robbo’s comments so am relying on you for what he actually said. Again, I don’t see it as semantics. I see the two being quite different.

That wasn’t my intent. I think I’ve been pretty clear throughout this topic that I think it’s their peak level that is the second best not their actual general output. They wouldn’t be in ninth if they were the actual second best side would they

 

[Spearman]

Richmond can go up a gear easily because they've been together and won for a few years. That confidence and cohesion making a difference. But can it be sustained? That is the question and we may have been seeing the answer in the past month. Can a burst be enough to win a game?
The Cats best is very, very good. But it relies on a hot performance from Stanley, and then the mids. I think it they get more aggressive when faced with an oppo's push, they may very well overcome and win. But most importantly, it will take a full 22 effort...no passengers.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Do the bookmakers ever bet on club best and fairests?

Blicavs is heading for his third Carji whether people like it or not.

Smith will go close (ie top 3) as would have stewart pre suspension but blitz will win it yes thats almost certain.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Who can be our Stewart Due - Ronnie Burns

Ronnie Burns

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comeback?

 

[My Tilly]

Richmond can go up a gear easily because they've been together and won for a few years. That confidence and cohesion making a difference. But can it be sustained? That is the question and we may have been seeing the answer in the past month. Can a burst be enough to win a game?
The Cats best is very, very good. But it relies on a hot performance from Stanley, and then the mids. I think it they get more aggressive when faced with an oppo's push, they may very well overcome and win. But most importantly, it will take a full 22 effort...no passengers.

They are getting enormous improvement from Daniel Rioli. He's really starting to give them that old Bacha Houli dynamism across half back flank. Never thought they would replace that guy but if he keeps playing as he is, it gives Vlastuin more opportunity to play like Stewart.
Ross and Baker were also their best players so it's more so the younger players coming through who are now giving them another spark.

We are getting this too with Stengle and De Koning.

Nankervis had destroyed Stanley throughout most of the night and of all centre square hit-outs, Stanley won the most crucial in the final 90 seconds of the match. That tap led to Henry eventually winning the game.
The next centre bounce, Nankervis won it decisively and they were able to get multiple forward fifty entries. Can't blame Hardwick for going with Nankervis but in hindsight, 204cm Soldo may have gotten first hands to the ball which may have altered the end result.

 

[HAPPY CHEFFY]

Richmond can go up a gear easily because they've been together and won for a few years. That confidence and cohesion making a difference. But can it be sustained? That is the question and we may have been seeing the answer in the past month. Can a burst be enough to win a game?
The Cats best is very, very good. But it relies on a hot performance from Stanley, and then the mids. I think it they get more aggressive when faced with an oppo's push, they may very well overcome and win. But most importantly, it will take a full 22 effort...no passengers.

Good call but Richmond have been relying on the Dusty X-factor that doesn’t seem to be there anymore.

Martin won them the 2020 GF, he did nothing to win them the game on Saturday. He’s fit, just lost the hunger.

And that’s not a sledge, I’d apply the same statement to a rock band like Metallica or an actor like Robert DeNiro or Mel Gibson.

You’ve already got everything, there’s no hunger for more.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

there was no elbow involved.

Stop telling them facts, you'll confuse them

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Do the bookmakers ever bet on club best and fairests?

Blicavs is heading for his third Carji whether people like it or not.

I wish they did. He’d be massive overs.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Good call but Richmond have been relying on the Dusty X-factor that doesn’t seem to be there anymore.

Martin won them the 2020 GF, he did nothing to win them the game on Saturday. He’s fit, just lost the hunger.

And that’s not a sledge, I’d apply the same statement to a rock band like Metallica or an actor like Robert DeNiro or Mel Gibson.

You’ve already got everything, there’s no hunger for more.

Maybe not as fit as thought, expected to miss this week Dusty.

 

[PhatBoy]

The more I watch his highlights the more I realise that possibly my two favourite moments of the entire season came within 10 minutes of each other for Tyson Stengle

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Tyson Stengle

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71kg

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3.5

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1.8

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2.4

4star

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1.1

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10.3

3star

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5.3

2star

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5.0

3star

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1.3

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2.0

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0.5

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8.8

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5.6

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3.2

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1.8

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2.6

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1.6

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- when he chases that ground ball towards the left boundary line with a couple of tigers players, the bounce beats all of them and he goes to ground but manages to lunge back for the ball and JUST put it out of reach of the tigers, a few moments later close kicks the goal

- his attack on the bouncing ball from the Atkins centre clearance. I really don’t think anyone has done justice to exactly how hard he attacks that ball. It’s breathtaking

 

[dazbroncos]

The more I watch his highlights the more I realise that possibly my two favourite moments of the entire season came within 10 minutes of each other for Tyson Stengle:

- when he chases that ground ball towards the left boundary line with a couple of tigers players, the bounce beats all of them and he goes to ground but manages to lunge back for the ball and JUST put it out of reach of the tigers, a few moments later close kicks the goal

- his attack on the bouncing ball from the Atkins centre clearance. I really don’t think anyone has done justice to exactly how hard he attacks that ball. It’s breathtaking

He hit that with F18 Maverick style speed .. breathtaking indeed.

Go Catters

 

[Cattery]

The more I watch his highlights the more I realise that possibly my two favourite moments of the entire season came within 10 minutes of each other for Tyson Stengle:

- when he chases that ground ball towards the left boundary line with a couple of tigers players, the bounce beats all of them and he goes to ground but manages to lunge back for the ball and JUST put it out of reach of the tigers, a few moments later close kicks the goal

- his attack on the bouncing ball from the Atkins centre clearance. I really don’t think anyone has done justice to exactly how hard he attacks that ball. It’s breathtaking

Think you should add "with a little help from Bolton's hand in the middle of his back" not sure how the umps missed that one.
But yeah, an exciting player for sure, had a hand in all four of our last quarter goals.

 

[Nickoo]

Good call but Richmond have been relying on the Dusty X-factor that doesn’t seem to be there anymore.

Martin won them the 2020 GF, he did nothing to win them the game on Saturday. He’s fit, just lost the hunger.

And that’s not a sledge, I’d apply the same statement to a rock band like Metallica or an actor like Robert DeNiro or Mel Gibson.

You’ve already got everything, there’s no hunger for more.

Maybe true for others but De Niro bad example, he lost allot of his money so he has to keep working.


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[Strange Cat]

Maybe true for others but De Niro bad example, he lost allot of his money so he has to keep working.


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Correction his wife took a lot of money in alimony so he had to keep working to support her expensive lifestyle