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[Strapping Young Lad]

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[hardway]

Thursday night shall be goin’ off…
Socceroos v Indonesia (crucial World Cup qualifier) @ SFS. Me is attending, and that violin lady Evangeline Victoria will be performing pre-game.
Carlton v Hawthorn @ MCG
Storm v Panthers (Grand Final “re-match”) @ AAMI Park

Don’t think to many Carlton supporters will be attending.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Saints have a few big injuries 7 or 8 missing from best 22. They will be better than this

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Possible top 4 imo.

They can’t play St Kilda every week

 

[Nugett]

The only reason I can think of would be the favourite son effect. These days it's probably a bit more likely to have a coach who played for your club be viewed with a bit of extra suspicion, but I guess back then it was the norm.

Now that I think about it, since we won our first premiership in 1961, every coach we ever had except one (yes, that one was Yabby, but bear with me), was a Hawthorn player. And the next time we recruited a coach that didn't play for us was Clarkson. Whose appointment was viewed very negatively at the time...

Which makes Sam an interesting one. As I think it’s very similar to Buckley. As both were appointed in similar situations. I think Buckley never really had the full support of the players he played with, and never addressed it. Buckley still has the makings of a good coach imo. Sam I believe admitted his failings to his past team mates, and was able to get them on board, or his ex teammates moved on. So it isn’t an issue. From an outside perspective both were very individually driven.

 

[Fleabane]

Ned Long with 24 disposals and 7 tackles last night.

I always thought he had something. Wouldn't really fit in our midfield, but happy to see him doing well.

Really pleased to hear that. Good on him. I might have to watch it.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ross has been humorously all over the media claiming that the Saints tick the destination boxes. Unfortunately for the full court media campaign, it’s actually the players who sign the contracts that decide whether a club is a prime destination. And the feedback from them is…

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Just a minor box to overlook.

I also loved that he was talking about how what a great culture they have and what a place it is to be around but then in the exact same article starts talking about how they had to review why Josh Battle would leave the club(for less money no less)and as a consequence, they’ve changed the way they interact with players and their families…. So I don’t know Ross, but maybe the culture wasn’t that great…

 

[VandoHawk]

Good to see Max Hall having a good game. Always liked his performances at Box Hill.

 

[grumbleguts]

Good to see Max Hall having a good game. Always liked his performances at Box Hill.

Yes, I was a bit disappointed we didn't get him.

 

[smish]

Nicks will be what holds Adelaide back. He is an idiot

 

[hamohawk1]

have a look at how bad North were when the game was there to be won.

This was a game north just needed to win.

Jury is still out for me, whether Clarkson has still got it tactically. We looked at sea at times with no plan 'b' in the final years (granted covid) but now hes definitely got the cattle he had in his early hawks days (minus a buddy/ cyril type) so really should be doing better.

 

[VandoHawk]

I've watched the Adelaide St. Kilda game for about a quarter and a half and St. Kilda are applying no pressure. Just letting the Crows walk all over them.

 

[SA HAWK]

They can’t play St Kilda every week

Don't need to.

Pretty soft draw i would imagine given their low position last year.

 

[VandoHawk]

Possible top 4 imo.

Too early a call. They'll be pushing for top 8 but Crows did this to a few teams last year too. They always look a million bucks offensively but lose their composure when actually challenged. Defensive structures under Nicks are very poor.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Yep, that has been a problem for these lower end clubs for years. They sack the coach expecting the next one will do a better job, when the next one doesn’t deliver immediate results, sack that one. Clubs such as Carlton, St.Kilda, Gold Coast, Essendon and a few others, are not really given a chance.

The better run clubs allow a new coach to come in, and yes there might be a bit of a lean period, but they tend to back their coach in, where they are able to improve.

Take us for example. After the Alan Jeans and to a lesser extent Alan Joyce combination. Which was a highly successful period. We then had Peter Knights from 1994-1995, Ken Judge 1996-1999 and then Peter Schwab from 2000 to midway through 2004. At the end of the season, we along with Richmond and Footscray had a coaching position available. Footscray went with Rodney Eade, Richmond with Terry Wallace, where both candidates were highly praised by the media. Saying how much better both clubs would be with their coaching choices. Hawthorn was the last of the three clubs to appoint a new coach, which happened to be Alistair Clarkson. In the media we were ridiculed for taking so long, Terry Wallace came out and said that he rejected our offer, as Richmond had the better list. I think Eade came out and said something similar. I honestly don’t think they were really ever considered. Clarkson was chosen because he had a clear direction, in where he wanted to take us, how we could improve. We ended up winning 4 premierships under Clarko. Eade and Wallace were unceremoniously sacked, and new coaches were at both the Bulldogs and Richmond, when they finally had success.

When we choose Knights, Judge and Schwab, we took who we thought was best available to coach our players. Our onfield performances proved that as we showed occasional glimpses. When we took Clarkson, we switched our thinking, by looking for a coach, that could rejuvenate our players into a team. Instead of backing players to perform for a new coach, we backed our coach to deliver on success. I remember before 2008 that “supporters” would call in calling for Clarkson to be sacked, that it was an embarrassment that we went for an untried coach, over

Yep, that has been a problem for these lower end clubs for years. They sack the coach expecting the next one will do a better job, when the next one doesn’t deliver immediate results, sack that one. Clubs such as Carlton, St.Kilda, Gold Coast, Essendon and a few others, are not really given a chance.

The better run clubs allow a new coach to come in, and yes there might be a bit of a lean period, but they tend to back their coach in, where they are able to improve.

Take us for example. After the Alan Jeans and to a lesser extent Alan Joyce combination. Which was a highly successful period. We then had Peter Knights from 1994-1995, Ken Judge 1996-1999 and then Peter Schwab from 2000 to midway through 2004. At the end of the season, we along with Richmond and Footscray had a coaching position available. Footscray went with Rodney Eade, Richmond with Terry Wallace, where both candidates were highly praised by the media. Saying how much better both clubs would be with their coaching choices. Hawthorn was the last of the three clubs to appoint a new coach, which happened to be Alistair Clarkson. In the media we were ridiculed for taking so long, Terry Wallace came out and said that he rejected our offer, as Richmond had the better list. I think Eade came out and said something similar. I honestly don’t think they were really ever considered. Clarkson was chosen because he had a clear direction, in where he wanted to take us, how we could improve. We ended up winning 4 premierships under Clarko. Eade and Wallace were unceremoniously sacked, and new coaches were at both the Bulldogs and Richmond, when they finally had success.

When we choose Knights, Judge and Schwab, we took who we thought was best available to coach our players. Our onfield performances proved that as we showed occasional glimpses. When we took Clarkson, we switched our thinking, by looking for a coach, that could rejuvenate our players into a team. Instead of backing players to perform for a new coach, we backed our coach to deliver on success. I remember before 2008 that “supporters” would call in calling for Clarkson to be sacked, that it was an embarrassment that we went for an untried coach, over the more established Wallace and Eade ect.
Fortunately the club didn’t listen to the average Joe blow!

I think that if Carlton had stuck with Ratten, Carlton would have been a much more competitive team than what they are now. Instead Carlton rushed out to get Malthouse and screwed themselves. If Essendon had kept Mathew Knights, they probably would have won a final. Instead they cut the legs out under him, as they wanted Golden boy Hird, we all seen what good that did for the scum…

Good clubs will back the coach in, until it’s time for the coach to move on.

Wallace and Eade were NEVER offered the job to coach Hawthorn.

I don’t think Eade has ever said anything but Wallace has said he believed he could have had the job if he wanted it. Utter rubbish.

Hawks were always going through the process thoroughly and chose Clarkson for the job.

Don’t let the #media#mediaflogse the narrative

 

[SA HAWK]

Too early a call. They'll be pushing for top 8 but Crows did this to a few teams last year too. They always look a million bucks offensively but lose their composure when actually challenged. Defensive structures under Nicks are very poor.

I think with their recruits improvement from younger players & better run with injuries they should be a lot better.

 

[grumbleguts]

So a St Kila player just kicked out out of defence to a team mate, ran three steps and passed the receiver. They must be 5 m steps.

 

[grumbleguts]

McStay, Mihocek and Membrey are a very unthreatening tall forward trio.

That was all on port being poor defensively with a very weak back 6

They essentially play with a fwd line of three third talls.

 

[Matt Stevic]

Wallace and Eade were NEVER offered the job to coach Hawthorn.

I don’t think Eade has ever said anything but Wallace has said he believed he could have had the job if he wanted it. Utter rubbish.

Hawks were always going through the process thoroughly and chose Clarkson for the job.

Don’t let the #media#mediaflogse the narrative

I am going to get jumped on for this but I reckon Wallace is a massive flog and a toxic personality that can ruin a club's culture. He did so at the Dogs - and the ship was only steered in the right direction after they nabbed our 2013/2014 premiership assistant in Luke Beveridge. And he did so at the Tiges - course only corrected after they nabbed our 2008 premiership assistant in Damien Hardwick.

He came across extremely poorly in that film "Year of the Dog", and his personality clashes with Yabby are well remembered.

 

[Nugett]

Wallace and Eade were NEVER offered the job to coach Hawthorn.

I don’t think Eade has ever said anything but Wallace has said he believed he could have had the job if he wanted it. Utter rubbish.

Hawks were always going through the process thoroughly and chose Clarkson for the job.

Don’t let the #media#mediaflogse the narrative

Fortunately the right person was selected. I don’t think either of them were ever considered. Correct if I’m wrong, it really came down to Gary Aryes and Clarkson didn’t? With Dermie wanting Aryes and Dunstall wanting Clarkson?

 

[Nugett]

I am going to get jumped on for this but I reckon Wallace is a massive flog and a toxic personality that can ruin a club's culture. He did so at the Dogs - and the ship was only steered in the right direction after they nabbed our 2013/2014 premiership assistant in Luke Beveridge. And he did so at the Tiges - course only corrected after they nabbed our 2008 premiership assistant in Damien Hardwick.

He came across extremely poorly in that film "Year of the Dog", and his personality clashes with Yabby are well remembered.

Think his ego likes to takes a hold of him. Or to put in colloquial terms, bites the bubbles in his own bath water.

 

[SA HAWK]

Love a lazy sunday arvo watching the footy

 

[Matt Stevic]

Fortunately the right person was selected. I don’t think either of them were ever considered. Correct if I’m wrong, it really came down to Gary Aryes and Clarkson didn’t? With Dermie wanting Aryes and Dunstall wanting Clarkson?

That's exactly how I remember it. I think the Wallet thing was more Terry himself saying to the media "I would have got the job at Hawthorn no problem, but I picked Richmond instead"

 

[moginie]

It's a bad sign when your run through banner gives more resistance than your football team.

But Saints fans should be used to it by now.

 

[cryptor]

Lyon in the AFL.com piece today taking about how they tick the boxes of being a destination club.

Might have missed a few boxes there, Ross.

St Kilda are a location club. They exist.

 

[Crankyhawk]

As for why we sacked two time premiership winner Alan Joyce for hopeless Peter Knights. It was before I was born but from a historical perspective it absolutely baffles me. Anyone who was there at the time know the reasoning as to why? Was it the favourite son effect? Surely it wasn't his record with Brisbane.

I thought our financial issues had started and Knights was coaching on the cheap?