That's true but we won't be playing 4th in the 1st week of the finals either. It was a much differnt system back then and we are not exactly comparing apples with apples.
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Can we keep them under 125 this week if possible?
In all seriousness, that recent record against them is terrible. Not so much that we lost 3 in a row, but the fact they kicked 3 cricket scores against us in a row. When you giving away 130 points to the opposition, it is hard to win games of football.
I am predicting that shootout football won't be the order of the day on Sunday. We have bigger bodies than them, hopefully it will be a high intensity performance by us where we put so much pressure on them that they have no room to get their running game going.
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We should have won these games where we only showed up when it was all done and dusted?
We deserved to lost both of those games by at least 7-8 goals. Disgraceful performances for three quarters and then some decent junk time footy to make it look closer than it actually was.
I like Gerard Healy but he is talking out of his arse here. Geelong, St Kilda and co will not be shaking in their boots about us, and rightly so.
We need to basically win every game for the rest of the year to make the top 4 and that isn't going to happen.
We will make the finals and be out either week 1 or week 2. Yay
So are you trying to say that Geelong and St Kilda will happily play us in Week 2/3 of finals if we get that far? Bullshit. Just about every week this year so far we have been the hunted, but if we play them in a final we will be the hunters, the underdogs, and that seems to have always been when the dogs play their best. If the dogs hit form in the later stages of the season, anything can happen. At our best can still beat anyone.
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We were horrible against Essendon and should have lost by 5 goals. We were lucky to get so close.
Should have lost to Collingwood by 10 goals. We were horrible again and they took their foot off when 7 goals up.
Hawthorn was 50/50. A good tight game.
The only one I will give you is St. Kilda.
In reality we have lost so many games by less than 10 points because we have made a late charge when the game is dead on a few occasions.
The only real close games we have lost are St. Kilda and Hawthorn. In my book we are 1-2 in terms of close games.
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I am feeling more confident that we will win the premiership this year. I can still see improvement in the team and we have not yet hit our straps.
For the game against Hawthorn there are 50 reasons why we lost it. One of the reasons is that it was lost at the selection table.
It was good that Reid and Ward came in and Eagleton out and Addison and Stack not reselected and Acker in the two's. But surely Blind Freddie would have replaced Hahn with Everitt. Everitt in the team instead of Hahn (or even Johnson) and we win.
Hahn must be out this week. Hopefully Johnson will retire. Then we will have a team of goers, who put in.
How many more stuff ups can they make at selection! Then again they could always repeat their errors.
For the game against Hawthorn there are 50 reasons why we lost it. One of the reasons is that it was lost at the selection table.
It was good that Reid and Ward came in and Eagleton out and Addison and Stack not reselected and Acker in the two's. But surely Blind Freddie would have replaced Hahn with Everitt. Everitt in the team instead of Hahn (or even Johnson) and we win.
Hahn must be out this week. Hopefully Johnson will retire. Then we will have a team of goers, who put in.
How many more stuff ups can they make at selection! Then again they could always repeat their errors.
I think that although the Hawks loss was a particularly ill-timed loss, there were some really good signs of the team fitting together (at last this year). No bones about it, the Hawks are a much better team this year than last (I thought they were similarly good rounds 1-4 this year too. In the end, we have come out 1-1 against a pretty decent team.
The thing is, we can only really afford to lose 1 more game for the rest of the year, if we are to finish in the top 4. We have some tough games, being away to Adelaide, away to Sydney, Geelong, and Freo, but realistically, I see us only losing to Geelong, and potentially Adelaide at Footy Park.
If we finish 15-7 we will definitely be top 4, with the massive percentage we have almost making it a certainty.
This week, as well as every week from now is a must win. The only real good coming out of this mess is that if we do finish top 4 - we will be in there with some bloody good form!
Also, bout the team. I think Hahn is the one player who should be sent back to the twos to find some form. In should come Williams. With Hahn out of the forward line, Murphy and Grant should each shoulder the load at CHF, and Williams frees up Hargrave to finally find some form this year as he will be a little less accountable (tbh he is looking a bit better every week)...
Johnson should be in the VFL for a couple of weeks, needs some form and some game time, and should have to prove his fitness before we consider him for senior selection.
Team this week should be:
FB: Morris - Lake - Harbrow
HB: Hargrave - Williams - Gilbee
C: Everitt - Cross - Griffen
HF: Grant - Murphy - Higgins
FF: Stack - Hall - Gia
Fol: Hudson - Cooney - Boyd
Int: Roughead - Ward - Picken - Wood
Go Doggies...
The thing is, we can only really afford to lose 1 more game for the rest of the year, if we are to finish in the top 4. We have some tough games, being away to Adelaide, away to Sydney, Geelong, and Freo, but realistically, I see us only losing to Geelong, and potentially Adelaide at Footy Park.
If we finish 15-7 we will definitely be top 4, with the massive percentage we have almost making it a certainty.
This week, as well as every week from now is a must win. The only real good coming out of this mess is that if we do finish top 4 - we will be in there with some bloody good form!
Also, bout the team. I think Hahn is the one player who should be sent back to the twos to find some form. In should come Williams. With Hahn out of the forward line, Murphy and Grant should each shoulder the load at CHF, and Williams frees up Hargrave to finally find some form this year as he will be a little less accountable (tbh he is looking a bit better every week)...
Johnson should be in the VFL for a couple of weeks, needs some form and some game time, and should have to prove his fitness before we consider him for senior selection.
Team this week should be:
FB: Morris - Lake - Harbrow
HB: Hargrave - Williams - Gilbee
C: Everitt - Cross - Griffen
HF: Grant - Murphy - Higgins
FF: Stack - Hall - Gia
Fol: Hudson - Cooney - Boyd
Int: Roughead - Ward - Picken - Wood
Go Doggies...
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Adelaide under the old system are the only ones.
Hasn't been done with the new system. That doesn't mean that it can not be done.
Will happen one day more likely than not.
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Carlton made it into the GF from 7th one year, didn't win the flag, but they got there by beating the rampaging Don's by a point.
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Have to keep an eye on that Lance Whitnall fella too, kicked eight against us at Prinny Park once
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Have to keep an eye on that Lance Whitnall fella too, kicked eight against us at Prinny Park once
Mark Arceri knows how to bob up and kick an unexpected goal.
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i am pretty sure your sarcasm meter is on the blink...
6th.
And they got to play a home final against a higher ranked team.
Also under the stupid final 8 system.
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See told you...it's been done before. So what you said is rubbish! There are a few other examples of teams that have had to win 3 finals to make the Grand final and that also amounts to the same thing.
Just wish people would stop saying that unless you make top 4 you can't make the grand final...it's just not true!
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Worth mentioning the Pies in 2007 who finished sixth and won their first two finals against the previous year's Grand Finalists, only to lose the Prelim to Geelong by five points. A game that could have gone either way. Win that game and they would have smashed Port in the GF.
To say it can't happen is a joke.
The only joke is that the AFL has a final eight to give teams from 5th to 8th a chance to win the premiership. It's going to happen again one of these days, and everyone will be calling it unfair that a team who is average during the home and away season only have to prime themselves in September to be declared "champions of the season".
Until the AFL get rid of the final eight (probably never), then every team in the finals is a chance to win it.
If the AFL ranked last year's finalists based on a reversed ladder, I am sure Geelong and St. Kilda probably still would have made the Grand Final.
1) Essendon
2) Carlton
3) Brisbane
4) Adelaide
5) Collingwood
6) Bulldogs
7) Geelong
8) St. Kilda
Adelaide would have beaten Essendon and advanced through to the PF
Carlton would have beaten Brisbane and advanced through to the PF
St. Kilda would have beaten Collingwood, eliminating them
Geelong would have beaten the Bulldogs, eliminating them
St. Kilda would have beaten Essendon, eliminating them
Geelong would have beaten Brisbane, eliminating them
St. Kilda would have beaten Carlton, eliminating them
Geelong would have beaten Adelaide, eliminating them
Same GF, prob sam result.
To say it can't happen is a joke.
The only joke is that the AFL has a final eight to give teams from 5th to 8th a chance to win the premiership. It's going to happen again one of these days, and everyone will be calling it unfair that a team who is average during the home and away season only have to prime themselves in September to be declared "champions of the season".
Until the AFL get rid of the final eight (probably never), then every team in the finals is a chance to win it.
If the AFL ranked last year's finalists based on a reversed ladder, I am sure Geelong and St. Kilda probably still would have made the Grand Final.
1) Essendon
2) Carlton
3) Brisbane
4) Adelaide
5) Collingwood
6) Bulldogs
7) Geelong
8) St. Kilda
Adelaide would have beaten Essendon and advanced through to the PF
Carlton would have beaten Brisbane and advanced through to the PF
St. Kilda would have beaten Collingwood, eliminating them
Geelong would have beaten the Bulldogs, eliminating them
St. Kilda would have beaten Essendon, eliminating them
Geelong would have beaten Brisbane, eliminating them
St. Kilda would have beaten Carlton, eliminating them
Geelong would have beaten Adelaide, eliminating them
Same GF, prob sam result.
Hahaha.... How flawed is this logic??
Simple fact is that the best teams over the course of the season finish higher on the ladder and because they are better teams they invariably win their finals matches and progress thru towards the GF thus knocking out the lower ranked teams.
As explained to you quite simply, teams which finish outside the top 4 have not under the current system been able to progress to win a premiership or even make it to a GF.
All you have shown with your example is that you will try anything to prove your point and frankly it's a little embarrassing.
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All you have shown is your inability to understand the word "can't". You are declaring that, because it hasn't happened under the current system, you can't win the the premiership by finishing outside of the top four. "Can't" means you don't have the ability to do something, aka it's impossible.
I'm telling you it is possible to win the premiership from outside of the top four, and it will happen sooner rather than later. You only have to be the best team in September and go undefeated to achieve this.
Where have I said "can't"?
Correct, but the odds are heavily stacked against teams who finish outside the top 4 winning a flag... As they should be.
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So, in conclusion, there's some chance of winning the flag outside top 4.
However, recent history and the fact that this year we've been crap means that it's almost certainly not going to happen.
However, recent history and the fact that this year we've been crap means that it's almost certainly not going to happen.
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