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[bossman111]

It's an opportune time to write this article. Swans into the granny, Penrith and Parra competing for the NRL premiership and this massive hit our club took from COVID. Hopefully head office sees through the cyclicality of it all and remains committed. Interesting to see how the new league CEO approaches it, hopefully doubles down with all the new TV money

 

[Hendo_21]

Spoke about in one of the other threads about Ralphy being someone I trust (more then others) about GWS stuff because he's presented us quite positively and once again flying the flag for us (About 5:40), dropped a nugget in there as well that he thinks were trying to compete this year.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Spoke about in one of the other threads about Ralphy being someone I trust (more then others) about GWS stuff because he's presented us quite positively and once again flying the flag for us (About 5:40), dropped a nugget in there as well that he thinks were trying to compete this year.

Interesting. He makes great points. We identified the guy we wanted and moved heaven and earth to get him. I like it. We still have plenty of draft capital this year and next.
We can pay for JOM with 31 or 19 and it not really affect our draft. Obs prefer to send 31 and trade 19 on the night for a future....just saying.
JM earning his money

 

[Maximus 2011]

Interesting. He makes great points. We identified the guy we wanted and moved heaven and earth to get him. I like it. We still have plenty of draft capital this year and next.
We can pay for JOM with 31 or 19 and it not really affect our draft. Obs prefer to send 31 and trade 19 on the night for a future....just saying.
JM earning his money

We DO NOT want to pay pick #19 for an average midfielder who would be behind Green, Coniglio, Kelly in our engine room. He can't play any other position and will not even be in the starting rotations. Pick #19 I think will definitely land a future 1st from a club come draft night! Say a team that in my view unrealistically think they are at the top end of the ladder next year say Collingwood, Carlton, Bulldogs, maybe even Sydney will be after #19 for this year with the hope that their first pick next year will be around the same mark. But as we know (us this year, Collingwood last year) clubs can have a tumultuous year and severely under perform and hence we end up with a top 10 pick or even top 5

 

[Colonial]

 

[BarryAglett]

Paywall.
The tagline sounds like Neil's taken his notes from BigFooty.

 

[Giant Strides]

Paywall.
The tagline sounds like Neil's taken his notes from BigFooty.

Smart man. We know wots going on, even if VFL House doesn't.

 

[dlanod]

So they fault our cap management when we had enough cap space to more than match Cameron's offer at Geelong - which suggests it has nothing to do with cap and contract offers.

Then they take a shot at our academy and the lack of retention. I think it's more poor talent identification and outbidding:

• Jack Steele - forced out, poor planning.
• Zac Williams - on a contract Carlton now regrets.
• Adam Kennedy - let's assume they mean Matthew Kennedy. Still an average player, wouldn't be in our team.
• Will Setterfield - just got effectively delisted.
• Jeremy Finlayson - perpetually flaky. Good to see him bouncing back but I don't think he'd ever hit that with us.
• Jacob Hopper - would love to have kept him.

 

[sydney_gws]

Well, the AfL has to stand up to players association. 3 or 4 year contracts for 1st rounders. COLA of 10% on first $200k of each contract ( averages out at only about 5% intotal of total wages). That's enough to have players not worry about cost of living, not enough hopefully for Vic's to winge too much.

 

[BarryAglett]

IF ...​

Jason McCartney wants to publicly bang on about a 'go home' fear factor in players before they're even recruited ...

THEN ...​

that is an embarrassing cop-out. Like North Melbourne, maybe turn the mirror on all aspects of your own operations, and realise there are many flaws in your own operations. And specifically to this club, the multiple silly and financially crippling long-term deals you have given to way too many players.

Barrett is proving himself an A-grade flog again.
The logic loop says that we got into those bad long-term deals because we are fighting the go-home factor.
Does he think Bruhn left because of how the club operates? GAGF
He's obviously content for us to remain a feeder club.

 

[Hendo_21]

IF ...​

Jason McCartney wants to publicly bang on about a 'go home' fear factor in players before they're even recruited ...

THEN ...​

that is an embarrassing cop-out. Like North Melbourne, maybe turn the mirror on all aspects of your own operations, and realise there are many flaws in your own operations. And specifically to this club, the multiple silly and financially crippling long-term deals you have given to way too many players.

Barrett is proving himself an A-grade flog again.
The logic loop says that we got into those bad long-term deals because we are fighting the go-home factor.
Does he think Bruhn left because of how the club operates? GAGF
He's obviously content for us to remain a feeder club.

The competition is so cleary uneven in multiple ways and people just want to pretend that it's fair and everyone gets the same opportunity when it so clearly isn't, big Melbourne clubs have such institutional built in advantages that others just can't access

 

[sydney_gws]

The competition is so cleary uneven in multiple ways and people just want to pretend that it's fair and everyone gets the same opportunity when it so clearly isn't, big Melbourne clubs have such institutional built in advantages that others just can't access

I agree. I think we shouldn't be too concerned with go home, if it hits us 5 young players on one year ( like Brisbane in 2013) it will force change I hope, embarass AFL into increasing rookie contracts. Also let young players go home a but more often during the season, this negates any homesickness.

 

[Danny88]

As much as I hate DB I think he has something here. We had brilliant culture that retained the original first few draft classes (at least most of who we wanted) but the drop off now is a concern

Is the club good enough in this area in 2022? Are the older players doing enough?

 

[GWS Goose]

IF ...​

Jason McCartney wants to publicly bang on about a 'go home' fear factor in players before they're even recruited ...

THEN ...​

that is an embarrassing cop-out. Like North Melbourne, maybe turn the mirror on all aspects of your own operations, and realise there are many flaws in your own operations. And specifically to this club, the multiple silly and financially crippling long-term deals you have given to way too many players.

Barrett is proving himself an A-grade flog again.
The logic loop says that we got into those bad long-term deals because we are fighting the go-home factor.
Does he think Bruhn left because of how the club operates? GAGF
He's obviously content for us to remain a feeder club.

terrible take

 

[GWS Goose]

As much as I hate DB I think he has something here. We had brilliant culture that retained the original first few draft classes (at least most of who we wanted) but the drop off now is a concern

Is the club good enough in this area in 2022? Are the older players doing enough?

I think that the players we lose is overstated.
We have continually been able to bring in a lot of talent which has forced others out. We have generally got full value or near enough for most players.

We haven't lost too many we wanted to keep. The obvious one being Cameron and now Bruhn. Most of the others that have left went due to big deals or opportunity.

What McCartney said is correct, many players dont want to move interstate and if they do get drafted elsewhere they are more likely to leave

The bit about the contracts causing problem is only half true. We rarely get guys a super unders we have to pay a very competitve income to keep them.
A strategy we have used is to offer the security of a long contract as a lure as opposed to a higher potential salary. Kelly and Cogs were offered significantly more elsewhere. We've never been able to get a Dangerfield to play for 75% of he could get elsewhere so he could be close to family and all that.

Hopper and Taranto have just been offered very similar contracts to Whitfield signed at the same age as Hopper (the original reports for Whitfield were $800K for 7 years)

 

[sydney_gws]

I think that the players we lose is overstated.
We have continually been able to bring in a lot of talent which has forced others out. We have generally got full value or near enough for most players.

We haven't lost too many we wanted to keep. The obvious one being Cameron and now Bruhn. Most of the others that have left went due to big deals or opportunity.

What McCartney said is correct, many players dont want to move interstate and if they do get drafted elsewhere they are more likely to leave

The bit about the contracts causing problem is only half true. We rarely get guys a super unders we have to pay a very competitve income to keep them.
A strategy we have used is to offer the security of a long contract as a lure as opposed to a higher potential salary. Kelly and Cogs were offered significantly more elsewhere. We've never been able to get a Dangerfield to play for 75% of he could get elsewhere so he could be close to family and all that.

Hopper and Taranto have just been offered very similar contracts to Whitfield signed at the same age as Hopper (the original reports for Whitfield were $800K for 7 years)

Melbourne clubs can offer our players so much money as they can probably afford to underpay some of their own players salary wise due to 3rd party "deals", or good job for some relative of theirs.

 

[Del208273]

Barrett is correct regarding the long-term contracts - I don't think the return has reflected the investment. It has severely hampered the club's roster.

What he is wrong about is by exclusion.

He won't tackle the elephant in the room, the 'go-home' factor and the advantage established Melbourne clubs already have with the current trade / draft arrangements.

Just another shallow article - perhaps a reflection of not wanting to rock the boat, like many other journalists. That information tap can be turned off rather quickly. I'm struggling to recall the last time he has gone all-in and criticised the AFL.

 

[Giant Strides]

Barrett yet again demonstrating what an imbecile he is, unable to understand anything deeper than the crust on his custard. 1+2 probably stumps him.

 

[Giant Strides]

Barrett yet again demonstrating what an imbecile he is, unable to understand anything deeper than the crust on his custard. 1+2 probably stumps him.

 

[Giant Strides]

Jon Ralph the antithesis of Barrett - able to analyse and understand an issue in some depth:

AFL trade analysis: Jon Ralph analyses what Richmond, Geelong dominance means

The fallout of this year’s trade period will be far-reaching and the AFL must act to avoid “irreparable” damage, writes Jon Ralph. The league must have a serious conversation about mandatory three-year deals for first-round picks to stop the inflationary effect that sees them secure $450,000 deals 24 months into their careers. It won’t stop them leaving but it will stop rebuilding clubs attempting to stockpile first-round picks from having their salary cap smashed.

The fact Gold Coast is worried about the cost of having too many quality top-10 picks should be cause for huge concern. The AFL needs to crack down on what can only be viewed as draft tampering as potential recruits make clear to sides including GWS if they are drafted they will flee at the first possible chance. GWS officials Jason McCartney

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and Adrian Caruso screamed what they had previously whispered on Wednesday - that players outright tell them they won’t play at their clubs.

The AFL, having opened Pandora’s Box, is unlikely to try to close it any time soon. They will point to a rollicking season and a successful premiership winning the flag for the first time since 2011. But when its expansion sides recruit with a hand tied behind their back and are ravaged by the year — with a Tasmanian team to endure the same issues in coming seasons — equalisation is clearly a catch-phrase rather than a reality.

 

[sydney_gws]

Jon Ralph the antithesis of Barrett - able to analyse and understand an issue in some depth:

AFL trade analysis: Jon Ralph analyses what Richmond, Geelong dominance means

The fallout of this year’s trade period will be far-reaching and the AFL must act to avoid “irreparable” damage, writes Jon Ralph. The league must have a serious conversation about mandatory three-year deals for first-round picks to stop the inflationary effect that sees them secure $450,000 deals 24 months into their careers. It won’t stop them leaving but it will stop rebuilding clubs attempting to stockpile first-round picks from having their salary cap smashed.

The fact Gold Coast is worried about the cost of having too many quality top-10 picks should be cause for huge concern. The AFL needs to crack down on what can only be viewed as draft tampering as potential recruits make clear to sides including GWS if they are drafted they will flee at the first possible chance. GWS officials Jason McCartney and Adrian Caruso screamed what they had previously whispered on Wednesday - that players outright tell them they won’t play at their clubs.

The AFL, having opened Pandora’s Box, is unlikely to try to close it any time soon. They will point to a rollicking season and a successful premiership winning the flag for the first time since 2011. But when its expansion sides recruit with a hand tied behind their back and are ravaged by the year — with a Tasmanian team to endure the same issues in coming seasons — equalisation is clearly a catch-phrase rather than a reality.

How do we think a Tasmanian side will be perceived by the Vic Metro boys . Will they prefer GWS to Tasmania?

 

[Giant Strides]

How do we think a Tasmanian side will be perceived by the Vic Metro boys . Will they prefer GWS to Tasmania?

They won't want to go to Tasmania either. Probably equally horrific to them.

 

[sydney_gws]

They won't want to go to Tasmania either. Probably equally horrific to them.

Maybe we just need to win a flag to become more popular in the eyes of the public.
I was really pleased to see Hopper be so respectful to GWS in his Richmond press conference.
It reminds me that we did have some good years, 2015 to 2019 where pretty good.
After that, Covid so at least Hopper and Taranto can have some pride/ happy memories of their years at old club.
Watching Jeremy Cameron win a flag shows he clearly made the right move.
It is staggering though we didn't try harder to keep Taranto for at least 2 more years.

 

[Land of the Giants]

I think that the players we lose is overstated.

We haven't lost too many we wanted to keep. The obvious one being Cameron and now Bruhn. Most of the others that have left went due to big deals or opportunity.

Cameron excepted, if Bruhn didn't want to be here, we're better off without him.

We need players who want to be here.

 

[Danny88]

I think that the players we lose is overstated.
We have continually been able to bring in a lot of talent which has forced others out. We have generally got full value or near enough for most players.

We haven't lost too many we wanted to keep. The obvious one being Cameron and now Bruhn. Most of the others that have left went due to big deals or opportunity.

What McCartney said is correct, many players dont want to move interstate and if they do get drafted elsewhere they are more likely to leave

The bit about the contracts causing problem is only half true. We rarely get guys a super unders we have to pay a very competitve income to keep them.
A strategy we have used is to offer the security of a long contract as a lure as opposed to a higher potential salary. Kelly and Cogs were offered significantly more elsewhere. We've never been able to get a Dangerfield to play for 75% of he could get elsewhere so he could be close to family and all that.

Hopper and Taranto have just been offered very similar contracts to Whitfield signed at the same age as Hopper (the original reports for Whitfield were $800K for 7 years)

You misunderstand

I’m not making comment on the big contracts or the fact players have left. Cameron doing 10 years and leaving is just fine

I’m saying there is a worrying trend of young players not staying. The culture looks built for older players…. Why can’t we be the best at giving a first year experience for first year players in the league?

The trend is recent and a genuine worry