Gibbs is a freak

[swiftdog]

Seen them play live twice this year. Trust me. I know they are crap.

Trav Cloke. LOL Most overrated hack ever. Have never seen him do anything remotely useful in a game. Goes missing when he has to be "the man" up forward. Can't kick.

Dawes ...Who? Come back when her actually does anything of note.

Reid Who? see Dawes

Rusling. Injury prone. Will never get back on the park regularly enough to achieve squat. =Mark Couglan board.

Anthony = long term VFL standard. Very unco.

MacAffer =still playing VFL

Trav Cloke - Catch any of the finals last year? Stood up majorly on the big stage when it counts most. Albeit has been rather poor this year.

Dawes - Showed promise in the VFL showed good signs last night in his first game. Strong pair of mits, needs to work on running out a game more and his work below his feet.

Reid - Been dissapointing. Still, young and has pace and agility.

Rusling - Was a key component of our finals campaign last year. If he gets on the park will be a very handy player.

Anthony - 15 goals so far in his first few AFL games show that he is AFL quality.

MacAffer - Can only go on potential but looks promising. May struggle to get a game as he is a similair mold to Medhurst.

 

[Brent24]

How's Carltons young KPP forwards goi... oh wait.

I suppose you still have a shot at winning the flag with a forward line something like this:

Ackland Fevola Betts
Wiggins Fisher Umm...

Just play a 5 man forward line.

 

[PendlePie]

How's Carltons young KPP forwards goi... oh wait.

I suppose you still have a shot at winning the flag with a forward line something like this:

Ackland Fevola Betts
Wiggins Fisher Cloke

Bit top heavy though, might have to rotate Bentick through there.

LOL

 

[its just sporn mum]

Round 12, 15 Jun 2008 MCG Collingwood defeated by Carlton 89-119
Round 4, 13 Apr 2008 MCG Carlton defeats Collingwood 111-88

 

[gandaal]

Meanwhile Carlton boasted countless avenues of attack, and did not rely on Fevola, whose only opening-half goal was from a handball from outside 50m midway through the second term.

The encouraging aspect for the Blues was the height and marking ability that complemented the running midfielders.

Andrew Walker, Matthew Kreuzer, Brad Fisher and Cameron Cloke gave tall alternatives to Fevola. Meanwhile Shaun Grigg, who was brilliant on a wing, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy and Nick Stevens ran amok.

Port went into the match without talented midfielder Travis Boak, who was replaced by debutant Ryan Williams, who was in the same draft as Boak in 2006.

Carlton also lost midfielder Eddie Betts, who was replaced by Shaun Hampson. The Carlton forward line, despite its dominance, would have been even more dangerous with a goal-sneak like Betts to capitalise on the spilled marks.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24154096-19742,00.html

So how's that midfield coming along Collingwood supporters?

You have Pendlebury and... Pendlebury. Where's your midfield talent coming through?

 

[swiftdog]

Round 12, 15 Jun 2008 MCG Collingwood defeated by Carlton 89-119
Round 4, 13 Apr 2008 MCG Carlton defeats Collingwood 111-88

Ask yourself about the key forward who won Carlton those games.
Then ask yourself if he'll be able to play at that level in a few years time.

 

[XXX KINGS]

Ask yourself about the key forward who won Carlton those games.
Then ask yourself if he'll be able to play at that level in a few years time.

Fevola is only 27 years old so has plenty of time left.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

The collingwood fans are out in voice because "daisy" has played his usual 1 good game per month... Very well done daisy.

 

[swiftdog]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24154096-19742,00.html

So how's that midfield coming along Collingwood supporters?

You have Pendlebury and... Pendlebury. Where's your midfield talent coming through?

Great win yesterday, no doubt. You were playing against Port Adelaide though, do they even have a backline? Fisher isn't likely to get much better, Cloke isn't much chop, hence his delisting. Walker and Kruezer will improve, need to remember that Kruezer will only play as a resting forward. Don't discount the importance that Fevola played yesterday, he will always draw the opposition's number 1 backman. If these "forwards", two of which are ruckman, can play at that level for the majority of the 22 rounds in a year + finals then you may win a flag with them.

They're not going to get that much freedom against the top-line teams of the comp and it is pointless quoting just one match as I could quote one match in which your forwards got toweled up.

Collingwood aren't relaleted to this thread and thegeneral brang them into it to compensate for his weak argument. If you want to discuss Collingwood's midfield then make a thread entitled: "Collingwood's young midfielders" or "are Collingwoods midfielders coming through any good?". Something of that ilk.

 

[swiftdog]

Fevola is only 27 years old so has plenty of time left.

Definently does have a fair bit of time left. However, it is unlikely that a 30+ year old Fevola is going to provide the same output that he is now.

 

[trueblue_91]

Definently does have a fair bit of time left. However, it is unlikely that a 30+ year old Fevola is going to provide the same output that he is now.

Unless he has a defender like Harry Obrien on him every game...Seriously after the first game why did Malthouse give O'brien the job again. Should have been Nathan Brown for both games

 

[mediumsizered]

Your Geelong example is flawed. Geelong's forward line is so good due to them having multiple good options to go to. Mooney, Chapman, Johnson, etc. Carlton have Fevola...and that is it. Fisher, Betts, Wiggins are not capable of being players who can kick 50 goals + in a season.

How many times have Chapman & Johnson kicked 50+ goals in a season? You do realise that prior to last year, Johnson had never kicked more than 30 goals in a season & Mooney's best season had been 2002, when he kicked 28 goals. I don't think too many people thought Mooney would be capable of kicking 67 in a season, after he kicked 22 goals from 17 games in 2006. It is amazing the difference a bit of confidence & self belief makes.

 

[its just sporn mum]

Ask yourself about the key forward who won Carlton those games.
Then ask yourself if he'll be able to play at that level in a few years time.

ask yourself about the key defenders (harry o & Brown) who played that game
then ask yourself if they will be able to play at that pathetic level in a few years time.

 

[swiftdog]

ask yourself about the key defenders (harry o & Brown) who played that game
then ask yourself if they will be able to play at that pathetic level in a few years time.

Why do Carlton supporters insist on making this about Collingwood?

Brown and Harry O are young and hence will most likely improve.

 

[KruZin]

Trav Cloke - Catch any of the finals last year? Stood up majorly on the big stage when it counts most. Albeit has been rather poor this year.

Dawes - Showed promise in the VFL showed good signs last night in his first game. Strong pair of mits, needs to work on running out a game more and his work below his feet.

Reid - Been dissapointing. Still, young and has pace and agility.

Rusling - Was a key component of our finals campaign last year. If he gets on the park will be a very handy player.

Anthony - 15 goals so far in his first few AFL games show that he is AFL quality.

MacAffer - Can only go on potential but looks promising. May struggle to get a game as he is a similair mold to Medhurst.

Answered your own questions there champ.

For all of Collingwood's forward line KP 'guns' they have only kicked 50 odd points more than Carlton this year. Who apparantly only have 1 decent forward.

4th and 5th best attacks respectively so far this year. Get over yourselves, your forward line aint all that. And ours is better than you give us credit for.

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

Collingwood's young KPP talent >>>>>>> Carlton's young KPP talent

A shame then that games are won and lost in the middle these days.

What's your midfield again? Burns, Swan, O'Bree and Pendlebury???

 

[PendlePie]

A shame then that games are won and lost in the middle these days.

What's your midfield again? Burns, Swan, O'Bree and Pendlebury???

Swan is easily in the top 30 mids in the competition, Pendlebury is just as good if not better than Murphy, and Thomas showed yesterday that when played on the ball for the majority of the match he can have an influence on matches - and like Bryce Gibbs has, he will continue to improve in this role with each game. O'Bree is an underrated clearance player, as is Scott Burns who lead from the front yesterday and was instrumental in our win...so I don't know where you're going with this.

If games are won and lost in the middle, how come you're side with a seemingly superior midfield hasn't won as many matches as Collingwood this season? Or Adelaide or St. Kilda?

 

[Mike_blues]

Definently does have a fair bit of time left. However, it is unlikely that a 30+ year old Fevola is going to provide the same output that he is now.

but u still seem to think rocca can win u games

 

[swiftdog]

Answered your own questions there champ.

For all of Collingwood's forward line KP 'guns' they have only kicked 50 odd points more than Carlton this year. Who apparantly only have 1 decent forward.

4th and 5th best attacks respectively so far this year. Get over yourselves, your forward line aint all that. And ours is better than you give us credit for.

Can see where you're getting at but it would be foolish to think that all of these player's don't have improvement in them. My very first point in all of this was that "Gibbs will not have any decent target to get to when he hits his prime", making the 'only 50 points more' argument you used negligible. Without Fevola you will not have much too kick to and instead of supplying the names of your future KP stocks coming through all we are getting is: "oh yeah, well Cloke is shit, and Anthony is VFL standard", "my dick is bigger than your dick" type of responses.

No-one can really know how any team's going to go in the future but I just don't know of any decent Carlton young forward KP's coming through for when Fevola can not deliver the same output. Kruezer will most likely be a very good player but is a ruckman first and a forward second, Fisher isn't exactly young and will not improve much more. I wouldn't be happy with Walker as a No 2 tall option down there. Unless the likes of Gibbs, Murphy and co can reach the level of Cousins, Kerr and co then I don't think that the Blues are as certain for a premiership as you think you are.

I haven't once said "OMG, we are going to win the 2010 GF by 76 points and our gun forwards are going to kick 35 goals in the granny between them". Look back through the last couple of pages and see who brang Collingwood arguments into this thread. Or, if you're too lazy:

Highlight to reveal>>>>> The General

 

[swiftdog]

but u still seem to think rocca can win u games

Quote me please. Rocca still requires a key defender, as Fevola will, but who'll kick your goals if Fevola is not on top (a likely scenario as his career wears on)?

 

[Banga19]

Anyway like we were saying, Gibbs is a freak

 

[its just sporn mum]

Quote me please. Rocca still requires a key defender, as Fevola will, but who'll kick your goals if Fevola is not on top (a likely scenario as his career wears on)?

We kicked 18 goals 24 on the weekend.
with fev kicking 4 goals.

 

[trueblue_91]

Quote me please. Rocca still requires a key defender, as Fevola will, but who'll kick your goals if Fevola is not on top (a likely scenario as his career wears on)?

Maybe this will help, as you can see we don't always rely on Fev

Round 7: Carlton 17.9 111 def West Coast 10.14 74: B. Fevola- 4.2
Round 9: Carlton 14.13 97 def Fremantle 14.4 88: B. Fevola- 1.2
Round 11: Carlton 10.15 75 def Port Adelaide 8.15 63: B. Fevola- 2.1
Round 14: Carlton 17.16 118 def Richmond 12.16 88: B. Fevola- 4.3
Round 19: Carlton 18.24 132 def Port Adelaide 9.12 66: B. Fevola- 4.4

So yes, we can win with Fev kicking less than 6 goals.

Oh, and we had 11 separate goalkickers this week. Thanks for coming and goodbye.

 

[spartan hawks]

Gibbs is absolute quality.The blues have a real find,potential captain and brownlow medalist.Would love to have him at hawthorn.

 

[woods_gun]

Gibbs is absolute quality.The blues have a real find,potential captain and brownlow medalist.Would love to have him at hawthorn.

trade u him for buddy