Gillespie Versus Clark

Gillespie or Clark?

  • Gillespie

    Votes: 45 58.4%

  • Clark

    Votes: 32 41.6%
  • Total voters
    77

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apollo_creed said:
McGrath's form before his personal problems wasn't great anyway.

And Lidge did you see Clark bowl to the Bangladeshi batsmen in the first test?

If you've ever seen Clark bowl away from his ridiculously lucky tour of South Africa before, you'd know that if the wicket offers nothing for him he'll give you exactly that.

He isn't an international standard bowler. Gillespie is.
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Save your breath arguing with me - I'm not a selector. The way the system works, Clark has some serious credits in the bank after his African tour and would be safely entrenches our our number 2 seamer (of those currently available).

Doesn't make it right, but that's how I see the situation.
 
Have to say at this very moment Gillespie , but a week ago I would have said Clark . If you only had the current squad to pick from then I'd say pick them both as Gillespie's batting better than the Clark(e) .
 

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No matter who you play, if person A plays well and person B doesn't, then person A should get their dues.

If everyone does well, then it doesn't mean so much.

Apollo creed - I don't agree that Clark was lucky in SA, but the pitches definitely suited him. Why else would the selectors pick him when he was a fair way down the pecking order. But I couldn't agree more that he will suffer when on flat pitches. History shows that to be the case.

IMO Gillespie is the best fast bowler in Australia (possibly McGrath excepted) and I think it will only be a matter of time before he leads the attack.
 
Gillespie and Macgill have both shown that they are more than capable to step up in anyones absence, or to be first choice frontline bowlers. Both have been the pick of the bowlers in this tour so far.
 
Grimreepah said:
No.

Ala Lewis.
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No ala Gillespie. Pretty sure Lewis didnt play in the ashes, nor got smacked against them.
 
Cassius_Clay said:
No ala Gillespie. Pretty sure Lewis didnt play in the ashes
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You know that's not what I meant, but regardless, I have already corrected that comment (see page 2)
 
Gillespie used to torment Trescothick and some of the other batters .But in the last series it was a role reversal as gillespie got slapped around like a tupenny whore .
he has lost a yard of pace and as geoff boycott says "the batsmen will be queuing up to face him" .
Id rather he played than clark seeing as im backing england .clark might prove to be a slippery customer in the ashes series .
 
i think they are both in the running for a spot - lee, clark and gillespie will be our pace attack

i think glenn's mind will understandably continue to be elsewhere between here and the ashes and i doubt he will actually play (hope i'm wrong though)
 
What the Pura cup schedule? Will McGrath have the opportunity to play any state games before the ashes?

You'd think he would need a few fairly long bowling stints before being considered for a recall.
 

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apollo_creed said:
oh dear.........

I think you've just broken the record for most innaccuracies and mistruths in a two sentence post.
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Bowling wise (Batting of course Gillespie >>>>> Clarke) what about the ashes? Hello Gillespie? What was he bowling to those English batsmen? Clark at test level bowls a consistent line, whereas Gillespie can go wayward.

All of you have cheap shots at me now that Dizzy is going great. Now that Gillespie is doing well, he may of got over those inconsistency issues. I still think though that there is a spot for Clarke beside McGrath in the ashes.
 
gillespie torments the english batsmen for the better part of a decade.... and people judge him on 3 tests?

not only will he play instead of clark, he'll make you remember why he's one of the best.:mad:
 
Richo83 said:
Bowling wise (Batting of course Gillespie >>>>> Clarke) what about the ashes? Hello Gillespie? What was he bowling to those English batsmen? Clark at test level bowls a consistent line, whereas Gillespie can go wayward.

All of you have cheap shots at me now that Dizzy is going great. Now that Gillespie is doing well, he may of got over those inconsistency issues. I still think though that there is a spot for Clarke beside McGrath in the ashes.
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You are mixing up your Clarks with your Clarkes. It is very confusing because a lot of people are suggesting Gillespie's batting is better than Clarke's, but I suspect you are talking about Clark. You say Clark is a better bowler than Gillespie, and even though Clarke has a better average, Clark is the recognised bowler, so I presume you have the right one. Both Clarke and Clark are on the fringe of the team, so you could be talking about either when you mention selections, but as you put 'Clarke' alongside McGrath, I presume you have the wrong one and are actually talking about Clark.
 
Gillespie's double-century was fantastic, but he shouldn't be picked for the Ashes because of his handy batting.

Clark was man of the series against the Proteas. I can't believe people have such short memories.

Gillespie has bowled pretty well against Bangladesh, but Clark's performance in his first series has to be given a greater weight than what Dizzy has done with the ball since being recalled.

I'm surprised at how lopsided this poll is.

People can talk about Gillespie's experience and how good he used to be, but if the Australian selectors are interested in rewarding strong recent performances, then Clark should get the nod.
 
Gunnar Longshanks said:
Gillespie's double-century was fantastic, but he shouldn't be picked for the Ashes because of his handy batting.

Clark was man of the series against the Proteas. I can't believe people have such short memories.

Gillespie has bowled pretty well against Bangladesh, but Clark's performance in his first series has to be given a greater weight than what Dizzy has done with the ball since being recalled.

I'm surprised at how lopsided this poll is.

People can talk about Gillespie's experience and how good he used to be, but if the Australian selectors are interested in rewarding strong recent performances, then Clark should get the nod.
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I think people are judging Gillespie on his career more so than the series against Bangladesh.
 
Grimreepah said:
I think people are judging Gillespie on his career more so than the series against Bangladesh.
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So Clark's performances against the Proteas just go out the window?

People defending Gillespie understate his decline. They say "he had only one bad series". That's simply not the case.

Against Pakistan in 04-05, Gillespie took 7 wickets at 36.86.

Against NZ in 2005, Gillespie took 7 wickets at 45.71.

Then, in the Ashes, Gillespie took 3 wickets at 100.00.

That's 3 poor series in a row. His decline played out over more than 3 Tests. Clark deserves to be retained after taking his opportunity at Test level with both hands.

What has Gillespie done in the last 18 months to deserve to be a walk-up start for the Ashes?

Thie idea that Gillespie is still an automatic selection despite his recent performances is wide of the mark.

It's good to have Gillespie as a back-up, but Clark's performance against the Proteas should see Gillespie start the Ashes as 4th in line.
 
South Africa had seam friendly pitches. The reason Clark jumped the cue in the first place was because he was suited to those conditions. In less friendly conditions he has suffered.

The only direct comparison between the two was the first Test in Bangladesh where Clark took 1/76 and Gillespie took 5/65. The quality of the opposition can be debated, but it doesn't matter. Both bowlers were bowling to the same opposition.
 
Grimreepah said:
South Africa had seam friendly pitches. The reason Clark jumped the cue in the first place was because he was suited to those conditions. In less friendly conditions he has suffered.

The only direct comparison between the two was the first Test in Bangladesh where Clark took 1/76 and Gillespie took 5/65. The quality of the opposition can be debated, but it doesn't matter. Both bowlers were bowling to the same opposition.
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So one Test cancels out Gillespie's extended run of poor form?

You can't just dismiss Clark's efforts against the Proteas on account of the conditions. His results warrant more opportunities at Test level.
 
Gunnar Longshanks said:
So one Test cancels out Gillespie's extended run of poor form?

You can't just dismiss Clark's efforts against the Proteas on account of the conditions. His results warrant more opportunities at Test level.
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An outstanding Test on top of an outstanding domestic season suggests he is back to the brilliant best of his outstanding career.

I don't dismiss Clark's efforts. He had a sensational series and did the job he was picked to do. But the next job will be on different pitches and the selectors have to make a judgment. Under normal circumstances I would retain Clark, but Gillespie IMO is a superior bowler who is back in form and he should jump the cue (as Clark did).

They might both be in the team anyway, but if it was a choice between the two, would you really feel more confident with Clark?
 
Grimreepah said:
They might both be in the team anyway, but if it was a choice between the two, would you really feel more confident with Clark?
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I think it's almost 50/50. I rate recent Test performances ahead of domestic form.

There comes a point when fast bowlers can't be rated according to their performances from 4-5 years back. I'm not saying Gillespie is finished, but I think it would be a mistake to pick him based on his "career".

It's 6 months until our next Test, so early Pura Cup form and perhaps even Clark's ODI performances might be the deciding factors.
 
Gunnar Longshanks said:
It's 6 months until our next Test, so early Pura Cup form and perhaps even Clark's ODI performances might be the deciding factors.
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Agreed.
 

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