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Sounds like college are better off without this guy, sounds like somone who won't go out and find work himself.

Yeah it's handy to know people with contacts but you can't be spoonfed your whole life. It's fair enough for a club to get you an interview but then you still have to go to that interview and impress them to get the job.

Would you feel satisfied working a job that has been giving to you on a platter?

And then what if he has a dust up with the club what happens workwise then or if another club or club in a different league offer him a different job that has better pay , would he be on the move again.

Being new to the area I woulda thought finding a club settling in building some good freindships and getting work for yourself would be more important than switching clubs straight away. Evgt , gippy group training etc not that hard to apply and get a start in an apprentership. There only a email or phone call away
 
mayhem20202 said:
You keep saying that perception is reality, well, the perception around the league for years has been that College have been paying more than 2 players, the reality is that they probably haven't. This perception may have bitten them on the ass when it come to Steve Nicholls.

Unfortunately, they had registered 2 pros for 2008/09 (reality) and apparently, one of them wasn't getting paid (don't care with this is reality or not, it is irrelevant, as the reality is, he was listed on the pro players register). When College attempted to clear Steve Nicholls and list him as a pro, by taking another one of their pros off the list, the league didn't see this as suitable. Like it or not, the league upheld the correct rules. Yeah, I understand that in between College lodged a new clearance without the pro player section ticked, but, you don't get 2 bites at a cherry unfortunately. As soon as College/Steve ticked that box, he was never going to be allowed to play for College in 08/09.

Your catch phrase, perception is reality, is true for fairly narrow minded people who don't ask questions. I know when I hear something, or something appears a certain way (perception), I ask questions and wait until I know for sure that it is the case before I decide it is reality.
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What a load of crap, me mate.

Every sport in the world has a clearance process where you can be knocked back and then re-apply.

If someone owes subs, you knock the clearance back. Player pays subs and lodges a new clearance and then a desion is made on new facts.

Last year there were three reps on the matter
The pres of the league
Maffra rep
Bundy rep

League pres says - ok he can play
Other 2 - knocks it back.
That to me does not seem like an indipendant tribunal?????

Person from that tribunal then says we will clear you to any other side. What a load of crap!!!!!


As for your comment about College - I don't think that perception would be there if they had never paid more than 2 players so maybe they have done wrong years ago. No different to Sale sacking Steve from his job because he didn't want to play there.

There is no way you can police 2 paid players.

My theory - have open clearances between sides in, out of season and have no limit on poms. Let the clubs sort themseleves out.

For the record my offical opinion.
Sale City in
Wurruk out
reasons -
Sale City has 4 senior sides and 4 junior sides as well as a milo cricket. Has three ovals, good facilities and plenty of home grown kids coming through.
Wurruk has 2 and a half senior sides, 1 junior side and no milo. has 1 oval and relys on the hard work of a commited pres and Ian. In the better of local cricket the bigger club should have won out.
 
the Ultimate Warrior said:
What a load of crap, me mate.

Every sport in the world has a clearance process where you can be knocked back and then re-apply.

If someone owes subs, you knock the clearance back. Player pays subs and lodges a new clearance and then a desion is made on new facts.
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What I am saying about 2 bites at the cherry is that College can't lodge a clearance, and say, yeah, we are paying this guy, then, the league knocks it back because you aren't allowed to pay 2 players, and then College lodge another one, and say, nah, just kidding with that first one, it was only a joke, we aren't paying him, wink wink.

Once it was declared that he was a paid player, the whole dispute was null and void. He was a paid player, going to a club with 2 paid players. That is the only way that paid player rule can be enforced, if you fess up to the league and say, oh, by the way, we are paying 3 players with year, and that is exactly what College did in this case.

I understand you get a chance to re apply for the clearance, but, if you change a fundamental part of that clearance, then, unfortunately, you are likely to end up with egg on your face.
 

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mayhem20202 said:
What I am saying about 2 bites at the cherry is that College can't lodge a clearance, and say, yeah, we are paying this guy, then, the league knocks it back because you aren't allowed to pay 2 players, and then College lodge another one, and say, nah, just kidding with that first one, it was only a joke, we aren't paying him, wink wink.

Once it was declared that he was a paid player, the whole dispute was null and void. He was a paid player, going to a club with 2 paid players. That is the only way that paid player rule can be enforced, if you fess up to the league and say, oh, by the way, we are paying 3 players with year, and that is exactly what College did in this case.

I understand you get a chance to re apply for the clearance, but, if you change a fundamental part of that clearance, then, unfortunately, you are likely to end up with egg on your face.
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So no money ever exchanged.

College says yes he is paid player but gets knocked back. Fair enough.

They then say, we can't pay you because of the league rules so you will have to play for nothing. Player agrees and still no chance of a clearance????????

This is my whole point about the league. Everyone reads the "what ifs" and the "yeah rights" and does not look into the the facts that are presented. If they did they would report the Sale CC for violating the paid player rule.
2 poms and S.Nicholls working for bensons.

Steve leaves Sale cc and gets the sack. Benson is apart of the sale cc and there for the club should be in trouble.

As college should if steve works for morellis for $1000 a week as a delivery driver only in the summer months.
 
the Ultimate Warrior said:
So no money ever exchanged.

College says yes he is paid player but gets knocked back. Fair enough.

They then say, we can't pay you because of the league rules so you will have to play for nothing. Player agrees and still no chance of a clearance????????

This is my whole point about the league. Everyone reads the "what ifs" and the "yeah rights" and does not look into the the facts that are presented. If they did they would report the Sale CC for violating the paid player rule.
2 poms and S.Nicholls working for bensons.

Steve leaves Sale cc and gets the sack. Benson is apart of the sale cc and there for the club should be in trouble.

As college should if steve works for morellis for $1000 a week as a delivery driver only in the summer months.
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Well, technically, Steve Nicholls never played a game for Sale in the time the 2 poms were there, so, it wouldn't matter.

The other thing is, you can't link all employment to clubs. For example, Brett Lanigan works for his Dad's company (may well be his and his dad's company for all I know), his Dad is involved with Maffra, is Brett Lanigan a paid player? I would say no, under your wierd logic relating to paid players he would be.
 
mayhem20202 said:
Well, technically, Steve Nicholls never played a game for Sale in the time the 2 poms were there, so, it wouldn't matter.

The other thing is, you can't link all employment to clubs. For example, Brett Lanigan works for his Dad's company (may well be his and his dad's company for all I know), his Dad is involved with Maffra, is Brett Lanigan a paid player? I would say no, under your wierd logic relating to paid players he would be.
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mayhem - would brett get sacked if he played cricket else where????????
Did brett get the job purly because he would play cricket at maffra???

You stepped down for steve and would have a good idea of how he was recruited. Was he signed for money and a job? Nothing wrong with this but i guess when you leave the club and you loose your job it is a pretty good indication that he was there as a profesional player.
 
mayhem20202 said:
How can a player ask a club to put in writing that they can confirm that he has an apprenticeship with a company that they have no control over? College were able to secure him an interview, what more did he want?

It's interesting that one of the newest players in the league has generated so much discussion on here and also chose to change clubs in the off season, could make for an interesting game between College and Bundy I would think.
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I don't know this guy but feel he has has been attacked from all angles. First off his cricket ability is questioned now his integrity and loyalty?
You people generated the discussion? Is this how we greet new players into the SMCA?
 
the Ultimate Warrior said:
mayhem - would brett get sacked if he played cricket else where????????
Did brett get the job purly because he would play cricket at maffra???

You stepped down for steve and would have a good idea of how he was recruited. Was he signed for money and a job? Nothing wrong with this but i guess when you leave the club and you loose your job it is a pretty good indication that he was there as a profesional player.
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Who knows the answer to those first 2 questions. That is what I am saying, you can't prove any of that beyond a reasonable doubt.

I do know how he was recruited to Sale, and the job was nothing to do with it. He attempted to gain work in Sale of his own accord, and when this didn't eventuate, he asked Dean, and Dean gave him a job.
 
Heard that Todd Mann, although had signed with Yarragon is now considering going to Hallora. Not sure if much in this but thought would share.
 

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Heard what Mark Trethowan is recieving, he is a paid coach through legends and also is paid by legends to do batting coaching. No monetary values were discussed.

And the so called apprenticeship is going from working in the kitchen to working into the gaming room at legends. No offence but job prospect wise not really moving up in the world!!!!!!

ANYWAY

I am predicting this year that Simon Williams will take over 30 wickets and make over 220 runs...thoughts???

This could be a really good year for Gilligan
 
plAying a practice game at strath creek tomorow. The ground is set up to be a replica of lords and the place is a bed and breakfast, backpackers etc.

The guys tell me it's a ripper day, and is a great place to get away for a practice match and team bonding.

www.humeandhovell.com.au


Not sure how good the overall standard of the eastern cricket league is but the overall standard of training has been amazing. Smoothly run from start to finish and the variety of the sessions is top shelf.

This will be the second praccy game and with 2 more before the season starts.

Any praccy games around here lined up yet?
 
Stratfords practice matches are:

Moorabin 12th
St Kilda 13th

Traralgon West 20th

Orbost at Orbost after the Grand Final (maybe)
 
Shit Maymo will be stuffed before the season actually starts:D. Collegians looking for a practice match on Saturday 19th September.
Nugget1985 said:
Stratfords practice matches are:

Moorabin 12th
St Kilda 13th

Traralgon West 20th

Orbost at Orbost after the Grand Final (maybe)
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PORKCHOPWAYNE said:
Shit Maymo will be stuffed before the season actually starts:D. Collegians looking for a practice match on Saturday 19th September.
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You dont get knackered by either slogging or nicking them.

Also not many hard days are had at first slip...
 
i have been following the WDCA off season and heard rumors drouin have a few guys coming up from brighton can any confirm this?
 
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