Grand Final not at the MCG?

[pazza]

Pratt can do that now! In it's own right, Princes Park is quite a reasonable venue still. Sure some changes need to be made to it to make the place profitable for when large crowds use it.

BUT....it's quite fine. Why would he build a stadium of 160000 people?

Let's look at this honestly. How would a 160000 capacity stadium be structured?

My guess it would need at least 5 levels around its circumference and still have an area for those who wish to stand as well.

Many flights of stairs, ramps, lifts and escalators would be required.

Lighting for use at night would have to be quite astronomical, given how high the lights would have to be, to be effective.

What about the scoreboards? You'd need 2 replay scoreboards - and probably 2 other scoreboards. Throw in tv positioning for those who have restricted viewing and the costs are already way too high.

The availability of land in Melbourne is already at a premium. There just isn't the space left for something this ridiculous. What about parking and public transport access?

 

[A Living God]

Dick Pratt will be long gone when an AFL Grand Final is played at another ground apart from the MCG unless there is something major that renders the MCG unavailable.

The MCC also goes into bankrupcty and all contracts with are considered void.

 

[A Living God]

Pratt can do that now! In it's own right, Princes Park is quite a reasonable venue still. Sure some changes need to be made to it to make the place profitable for when large crowds use it.

BUT....it's quite fine. Why would he build a stadium of 160000 people?

Let's look at this honestly. How would a 160000 capacity stadium be structured?

My guess it would need at least 5 levels around its circumference and still have an area for those who wish to stand as well.

Many flights of stairs, ramps, lifts and escalators would be required.

Lighting for use at night would have to be quite astronomical, given how high the lights would have to be, to be effective.

What about the scoreboards? You'd need 2 replay scoreboards - and probably 2 other scoreboards. Throw in tv positioning for those who have restricted viewing and the costs are already way too high.

The availability of land in Melbourne is already at a premium. There just isn't the space left for something this ridiculous. What about parking and public transport access?

Ill try this a third time

Aliens, the same ones that built the prymaids, place a 160,000 capicity stadium in Melborune, at the same time they also erase the MCC from existence so their is no problems with any contracts.

Where would you want the Grand Final played?

 

[pazza]

Okay..THE MCG. The Home Of The Game.

The one thing that the Grand Final needs to have done to it, is that the way the tickets are distributed must be improved.

Once all the competing club members have purchased their tickets and the MCC takes theirs, plus the AFL members who support the competing clubs get theirs, then whatever is left is opened up for the corporates etc.

 

[huntos]

If there was a bigger stadium it would defiantly host the grand final, there is not way the greedy AFL would turn down that cash cow. Waverly was originally going to hold 160k if the members stand was going to be complete, but the state government stopped the construction because it would of made the mcg obsolete. If the original Waverly was completed now it would be hosting the grand final every year.

I just wonder when the day will come when perth will have its own version of the mcg and the grand final will be held there. The only reason why the grand final hasn't moved from the mcg is because no other state has a stadium with a similar capacity and the AFL bring up the capacity argument every time . It will be a sad day for Victorians when that day comes .

 

[A Living God]

If there was a larger stadium I believe it would be at or near capicity. Between the eagles and crows they have almost 100,000 members/on waiting lists. You then would have AFL and MCC Members , Supporters that arn't members and non alligned(to either of the two clubs) supporters.

If i could walk up a buy a ticket to the Grand final, I would and wouldn't care who is playing.

 

[clobba]

Couldnt care less where the GF is played

 

[kranger]

always at the G unless there is a derby/showdown or equivilent in sydney and queensland and that state had a stadium with a capcity of 80,000+ then hold it at that stadium. even with 60,000 seats there would probaly be more true supporters of the actual teams then there would ever be at the G with all the MCC and Afl members.

 

[gaelictiogar]

A couple of points.

1. Having had the Sydney games recently Australia is not going to have the olympics for decades to come.

2. FIFA are uninterested in Australia which is a smallish market of 20,000,000 people so the soccer WC is not coming to OZ. There are too many bigger population centres in the queue.

So the issue will never arise but even if it did the 100,000 MCG is big enough for any game or event.

 

[Brilliant]

Of course the grand final would be at the bigger ground. The AFL does'nt give 2 shits about tradition. Money talks, bullshit walks.

 

[graystar]

Ill try this a third time

Aliens, the same ones that built the prymaids, place a 160,000 capicity stadium in Melborune, at the same time they also erase the MCC from existence so their is no problems with any contracts.

Where would you want the Grand Final played?

Listen mate, stop training with the Eagles and come down from the clouds.

 

[Giants FC]

The original plan at Waverley was to build a capacity of around 140,000. Looking back now, it would be so much easier to get grand final tickets if that had happened - 140,000 tickets and no MCC members allocation would be enough for every competing club member to get a ticket and plenty left over for public sale.
But it didn't happen then, so I can't see it ever happening. Not in our lifetime.

 

[frankc]

As much as I would like it, I'd imagine that a 160k stadium would be unsustainable...

Agree. They would not build a stadium with a permanent 160k capacity - would be a waste of resources.

 

[VanBerlo=God]

I think it should always stay at the MCG, although for West Australians we get financially pack r*ped making the trip over there by airlines.

Although, I guess being a dockers fan I have nothing to worry about.

not to mention AFL deals, they pretty expensive.

 

[Hornet]

Ill try this a third time

Aliens, the same ones that built the prymaids, place a 160,000 capicity stadium in Melborune, at the same time they also erase the MCC from existence so their is no problems with any contracts.

Where would you want the Grand Final played?

What you're asking was supposed to happen. When Waverley was first drawn up, it was meant to end up with a capacity of approximately 150,000 (see pic) and host the Grand Final.

...but to answer your question, I'll support the GF played at the venue that best showcases our codes biggest day of the year, and stadium of that magnitude would be very hard to say no to just because of tradition.

 

[andypie]

If Australia won the rights to host the FIFA world cup (or the olympics or whatever), and a massive stadium was built in Melbourne. Designed primarily as an AFL Venue it had a capicity of for the world cup pf 180,000 which would then be reduced to 160,000 to make it suitable for AFL.
Would you support moving the Grand Final from the MCG to the significantly bigger ground?

dont think the mcc with their contract would support it.

 

[benrey_demons]

the grand final would be fine if

-let the competing clubs members all get a ticket
-let the mcc fill its stands
-split the remaining between corporate, other clubs and the general public (should need a membership to buy a ticket though, bandwagoning to the highest degree)

 

[FootyJunkie]

Until another stadium in Australia matches 100,000 in capactiy, keep the Grand Final at the MCG. The history argument only makes it more of a convenient choice to stage it there every year.

Won't be until 2032 before it can be staged elsewhere.

 

[Blue Dawn]

The original plan at Waverley was to build a capacity of around 140,000. Looking back now, it would be so much easier to get grand final tickets if that had happened - 140,000 tickets and no MCC members allocation would be enough for every competing club member to get a ticket and plenty left over for public sale.
But it didn't happen then, so I can't see it ever happening. Not in our lifetime.

Was actually 160,000 ironically enough i pretty sure. The GF has always been held at the 'G' except during WW2 and the development of the Great Southern Stand. Should ALWAYS remain at the 'G' too.

 

[tommy_as_ice]

hmm...

 

[magpie78]

The only reason it was played at Waverley in 1991 was because the MCG had no Southern Stand, it was pulled down days after the 1990 GF.
The MCG capacity was less than Waverley, hence the move out there.

And the only reason it can't/wont be played elsewhere is to fund the entire ground redevelopment the MCC has a rock solid watertight contract that has the GF being played at the MCG for about another 44 years (give or take a year)

 

[FootyJunkie]

The only reason it was played at Waverley in 1991 was because the MCG had no Southern Stand, it was pulled down days after the 1990 GF.
The MCG capacity was less than Waverley, hence the move out there.

And the only reason it can't/wont be played elsewhere is to fund the entire ground redevelopment the MCC has a rock solid watertight contract that has the GF being played at the MCG for about another 44 years (give or take a year)

Oh yeah, that ugly tin roof you see on old MCG footage pre 1992 at the Punt Road end whenever a goal was scored. Glad that ugly duckling is gone.

The year the contract ends is 2031, was a 40 year contract starting from 1992.

 

[Hollow Knight]

You don't see the Muslims moving Mecca just to make the pilgrimages easier.

Grand Final MUST be played at the MCG. Its the holy ground of Australian Football.

 

[BK Eaglesfan]

You don't see the Muslims moving Mecca just to make the pilgrimages easier.

Grand Final MUST be played at the MCG. Its the holy ground of Australian Football.

Agreed. The MCG is the destination when every team sets out on their pre season training, just as the FA Cup is the road to Wembley.

I would hate to see it go anywhere.

If we're talking about how to get more supporters in, something needs to be done about corporate. I know they are the ones putting money into the game, but so are the average punters who buy memberships and go all year.

Had a work mate last year who had been to 1 game of Aussie rules in his life (Queens B'dy Coll v Meb - with a ticket given to him) and was invited to the GF by a company we were a customer of. Of course he accepted, didn't care less about either side or even the sport (is a rugby fan), and after not returning to his seat after half time from the lunch, then went down to a tent outside the ground at 3/4 time as did around 15 of the people at their function because they didn't like the sun glare in their private box. How many Swans and Eagles supporters didn't go to last year's GF that would have given their left nut to be there?

 

[charliemurphy]

If Australia won the rights to host the FIFA world cup (or the olympics or whatever), and a massive stadium was built in Melbourne. Designed primarily as an AFL Venue it had a capicity of for the world cup pf 180,000 which would then be reduced to 160,000 to make it suitable for AFL.
Would you support moving the Grand Final from the MCG to the significantly bigger ground?

a)If a FIFA world cup was awarded to Australia, The stadium in question would not be an oval...

b)No one would build a stadium for 180,000 people