Guido, McMahon, Bowden

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The thing that irks me about Giansiracusa is that when he gets the ball he seems to put more emphasis on style rather than substance, ie hold onto the ball for 3 seconds longer than is required and attempt a difficult pass when a simple pass will do.

Judging a performance these days by the number of possessions a player has is pointless in todays high-possession keepings-off style of game. Too many of our players have 20+ of the most pointless and least damaging possessions ever - but it looks impressive when you see the number printed in the Herald-Sun Sunday morning.

Our side is like a game of musical chairs - Sam Power finally plays a half-decent game only for Bowden to completely disappear and pretend he's invisible.
 
OldSchool said:
It's a shame so many supporters have to get so caustic when talking about our players. I know it's frustrating given that we have been losing for the last 5 seasons but constructive criticism or observations goes over so much better than a lot of what we read.
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Point taken OS but Im sick of the same players doing the same basic type of general football skill errors over and over.

The players above, have been with the club for four years and one question have they improved dramitically.My answer is no.
 
pumpter said:
Our side is like a game of musical chairs - Sam Power finally plays a half-decent game only for Bowden to completely disappear and pretend he's invisible.
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Well said. Bowden took a mark and scored a goal against Richmond, kicked another goal and then had to go back to his average by kicking some behinds. Then against West Coast he was no where to be seen except when he got the ball and disposed of it in a stupid way. Then there's Guido, who did have a good game last week (despite the late miss) but then had a game similar to Bowden's this week. I wonder if Power will be the same next week?

It seems that one week a player steps up and then the next they dissapear again. If only they could all put it together and play to their full potential... at least I believe we have the right coach for it. Hopefully by the end of the season we will see them start to click.
 

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Top Dog said:
McMahon's disposal under pressure yesterday was woeful... I cringed everytime he went near the ball. Anyone see the handball to to Westy in the defensive 50? A player was hanging off Westy and to top it off he was on the ground recieving the handball, WCE goal resulted from it. That was the last straw for me.

Guido as someone said above has some credits, wasnt his best performance though and Bowden {Deep breath} can you please hold a chest mark for christ sake. Was terrible today. I thought he would be suited to the bigger ground, obviously not.

Massive game this week V the Croweaters. They are playing good hard footy at the moment and dont mind playing at the Telstra Doom.
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Yep saw that, the underground handball to someone already marked. What about the dropped chest mark from Bowden in the centre square. How long are we going to tolerate this rubbish. And it looks like priority picks are going, just when we need them.
 
ReservoirDog said:
And it looks like priority picks are going, just when we need them.
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We have had them for two straight years so it will just take some time for the likes of Cooney, Ray, Griffen and Williams to really become great players for us.
Regarding PP, I think there will be additional selections at the end of the 1st round but really look at the Geelong list who have done very well and yet they haven't had a top 5 pick in years.
 
OldSchool said:
We have had them for two straight years so it will just take some time for the likes of Cooney, Ray, Griffen and Williams to really become great players for us.
Regarding PP, I think there will be additional selections at the end of the 1st round but really look at the Geelong list who have done very well and yet they haven't had a top 5 pick in years.
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They only have one top 5 pick in their current side and that is Ottens!
 
Top Dog said:
They only have one top 5 pick in their current side and that is Ottens!
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So we shouldn't have to rely on them should we??
If a team like the Cats can make steady progress without them then we should be well set up with the players we have secured with them.

The Cats still haven't drafted a top 5 player in years but their success is getting the most out of their late picks like Playfair, Rooke and like they did with Moloney before they traded him.
 
OldSchool said:
So we shouldn't have to rely on them should we??
If a team like the Cats can make steady progress without them then we should be well set up with the players we have secured with them.

The Cats still haven't drafted a top 5 player in years but their success is getting the most out of their late picks like Playfair, Rooke and like they did with Moloney before they traded him.
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Exactly... Terrific recruiting on their behalf. The list is endless with them Enright, Ling, Chapman etc. Also, they seem to have a good program at the Cattery in terms of developing/nurturing young talent. Kudos must go to Bomber and his team.

They do have some great father/sons they were better then actual picks they were taken for.
Eg With Gary Ablett jnr pedigree tell me he shouldn't have gone top 5.
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I dont think he would have gone top 5 from memory but certainly top 20. Im not certain however. Oldschool, should be able to clear that up.
 
Top Dog said:
I dont think he would have gone top 5 from memory but certainly top 20. Im not certain however. Oldschool, should be able to clear that up.
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Nathan Ablett? Size and pedigree.
Matthew Scarlett?
Mark Woolnough? Know he is gone
Saw a bit of Blake on saturday and he looked ok.
Who are the other recent F/S picks there?
 
The Cats seem to have a policy of recruiting big bodied midfielders. Interesting that they got rid of Sprigs who reminds me of many of our light bodied players.

With their big guys Gardiner (sp?), Playfair, Ottens, King, Harley and Scarlett, they have 4 who would walk into most sides.

Scary.
 
Gary Ablett should would have gone top 10 or so but maybe not any higher. To be honest no one really checked him out because it was a done deal. Nathan might have gone top 20 to 25 but would have been very hard to gauge given he played so little football. Not sure about Scarlett.

The Cats strength is their success with mid to late selections. Players like Ling who was a forward in the TAC and they quickly turn him into a very food midfielder. Great drafting and development.
 

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doggies said:
biased?? im a bulldogs supporter if you haven't realised.
i was spot on saying that guido should have been dropped for the eagle's game. he had a shocking game. he is just coasting along, and happy to be part of the team. when you wear the red white and blue, there should be a hell of a lot more passion shown towards your club and supporters. he needs to be sent down to werribee for a much needed reality check.
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Biased because your view is obviously tainted by a deep seeded hatred of Daniel Giansiracusa. Did he knick your misses or something? I don't know.

As for your "reasons" for dropping him, they're so far from being logical that i just can't retort.
 
Re Guido

Note last week's Ching:

R3 v Tigers

5 Guido [68]
4 Johnno [39]
3 Darce [31]
2 Granty [20]
0.5 Gilbs [15]
0.5 JR [15]

Clearly a case for sending him to Werribee :confused:
 
I'm fairly new to the boards here but already from reading many posts here I can feel the frustration of many fellow Bulldog supporters with some of our players. There even seems to be pet players who seem to draw some very harsh and almost vitriolic comments on their abilities and performances.

I'm not going to quote examples of the posts, but their pretty abundant and obvious.
I really really find this uncalled for, and in fact detrimental to reasonable debate about our team.
It is one thing to be passionate and opinionated about the team and player's fortunes, it is another to be totally negative, fail to advance debate and create an atmosphere of almost dare I say it of hatred toward some players.
Let;s leave that to richmond supporters eh ( just jokes tige supporters!! :p )

Anyone heard of Negative reinforcement, it's pretty pointless crap!! and that's all alot of it is.

There are always going to be players who underperform. Yep, and there will be those frustrating players who appear to take backward steps. Well guess what? We have a coach who has stated that "2005 is clean slate time". Re: We'll give each a chance to show what they got, and then we'll reassess at the end of the year.
In the meantime why not show supprt, and offer positive criticism. I've seen many fine comments on here that fit the mould, but some of you really really need to consider using the Previe post function before submitting your ill considered words. Do you think Eade would say some of the crap spouted here as a motivational tool to help the guys improve?? I doubt it.
Is it any wonder Murph said that the guys don't check this forum out any more?? Why would you bother if all you were going to read is how crap you are, and how so and so should've been delisted, or should never play for the dogs again, or should get a stint in the Ressy's (for 32 touches none the less- Yeah that happy poster will make a great coach!!)

As far as I'm aware we only have 38(??) players on our list. So whether some of you like it or not, that ain't gonna change until the end of the season. so that means we've got the players, we've got and that's it. Is hectoring them going to improve the team??

It's fine to voice your opinion, but how about applying some reason, and leaving out the abuse and personal judgments.

How bout this..... Yep I like some of you have been somewhat dismayed by a few of Guido's mistakes this year. However I am enocouraged on two fronts. Firstly he is doing something right to get 32 touches, and also I have really noticed a marked improvement in his willingness to put his body into packs. to mark his mistakes more harshly over others, and hold him as the scapegoat will not advance the team.

McMahon- give him a break- he is learning a role I'm pretty sure he is unacustomed to. Furthermore I have a sneaky feelign Eade is using this for his ultimate development for a role further up the ground. in previous seasons commentators and media alike have questioned his hardness at the ball. I think this is a great apprenticeship for the guy.

Bowden. Yep, criticism warranted again with regards to some of his disposals, and his inability to impopse himself on games like I think he has the capability of doing. However, I think he earns points for staying with the dogs. I think that says something about his commitment, and passion for the team. Things that too have been questioned by media in the past. I also can't help thinking he would become more involved if we had a firing forward line.

There's 18 more rounds to go minimum for us, some of you should show a little more pride in ALL of our guys, rather than making catcalls for some players demise. I swear some of you just can't wait for the guys to make a mistake just to pass a spiteful comment here.
 
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot said:
It is one thing to be passionate and opinionated about the team and player's fortunes, it is another to be totally negative, fail to advance debate and create an atmosphere of almost dare I say it of hatred toward some players.
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Sensational post YHF

I can't disagree with anything you have said. I can only hope that others take notice of what you have said.
 
OldSchool said:
So we shouldn't have to rely on them should we??
If a team like the Cats can make steady progress without them then we should be well set up with the players we have secured with them.

The Cats still haven't drafted a top 5 player in years but their success is getting the most out of their late picks like Playfair, Rooke and like they did with Moloney before they traded him.
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The reason Geelong have done so well is based on two simple things. One is their astute recruiting in recent years. The other is brilliant youth development coaching.

Geelong have rarely put a foot wrong with their selections. They have mixed up the player types they need very well. So they have usually had a very balanced list as a result.

Mark Thompson has been sensational with the draftees. I would argue he is the best youth development coach in the league. A few years ago the Geelong board contributors were bagging him and I remember posting there then how envious I was of the direction he was taking the Cats and how he was prepared to tough it out.

Unfortunately we have not done either of the above well. Whilst I still reckon Scott Clayton is a very good recruiter it is no co-incidence that under his guidance we have all these surplus skinny types and lack big bodied players. We have only once recruited a KP in the first round. I'm not sure if this is his fault of whether he is acting under instructions. Probably the latter as Wallace seemed to like the fast short people whereas Rhode seemed to go for the bigger types, probably to rectify the errors of the Wallace flawed recruiting strategy. I'm praying like everyone else that the big blokes taken last year will become topliners for us.

My views on our youth development coaching in recent years is well known here. But for the newcomers I think it was diabolical the past 2 seasons. Rohde just had no idea what to do to get the best out of them. And for good measure he gave most of them to Barry Prendergast at Werribee to demoralise them further.

I think Rocket is on the right path. It will take him time to sort out some of these boys and shake off bad habits. He need not look any further than what Geelong have done for inspiration.
 
Hmm.

McMahon looks the goods down back and should stay in the team. He looks comfortable and useful, but he did have an off game against the Coasters.

Bowden is a frustrating one: He shows lots of potential but doesnt look interested in using it. Hopefully Eade can get him going.

Guido! Guido, guido, guido. Dunno about him, I honestly think he of all the established up and comers is the one most at the crossroads. He just doesnt make a big enough impact for a player of his skill....

My big tip: Guido = trade bait for 2006. I wish it wasnt so, but unless he improves he's GAWN.
 
fred cook said:
Try four years of mistakes.Thats why some of us are a bit ********ed off
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wow four whole seasons, that will make some of them almost 23. Geez better just give up on them already, they really should be champions by this stage.
 

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