Club Focus GWS Giants 2020 - Hogan, Preuss, Bruhn, Stone, Angwin, Fleeton, Wehr

[Lore]

Data from footywire. To check the draft order (updated weekly) see the thread here.

 

[Giant Strides]

To put that in perspective, it is:

RFA: Stephen Coniglio, Matt Buntine, Adam Tomlinson
Main list: Heath Shaw, Tommy Sheridan
Rookie list: Dylan Buckley, Jack Buckley, Zach Sproule, Jake Stein, Shane Mumford

 

[scratchy09]

You could name over a dozen actually.

Side note but I'd take Harden over everyone besides Curry and maybe LeBron. Also a healthy KD is better.

 

[scratchy09]

Giants are in a tough spot. If Coniglio leaves, it could open the floodgates for Kelly and Whitfield to leave. If Coniglio does decide to leave, I'd try organise long-term deals for Kelly and Whitfield. If they aren't committed to the club long-term, I would off-load them as I would want my players to be fuly committed to the club. You'd get a better return now then if you were to wait until next season and have them leave in Free agency. Both would command 2 firsts and a mid level player from which ever club wants them. I know it is risky and puts you back but it gives you more assets as you want a club to have players who want to play for you. Not a club that leaks 2-3 good players each season.

 

[Bay Giant]

Giants are in a tough spot. If Coniglio leaves, it could open the floodgates for Kelly and Whitfield to leave. If Coniglio does decide to leave, I'd try organise long-term deals for Kelly and Whitfield. If they aren't committed to the club long-term, I would off-load them as I would want my players to be fuly committed to the club. You'd get a better return now then if you were to wait until next season and have them leave in Free agency. Both would command 2 firsts and a mid level player from which ever club wants them. I know it is risky and puts you back but it gives you more assets as you want a club to have players who want to play for you. Not a club that leaks 2-3 good players each season.

One player does not make a team.

 

[scratchy09]

One player does not make a team.

No it doesn't, however, if Kelly and Whitfield are hesitant long-term, and see cogs having success at another club, I guarantee they'd both be chances to leave next season. Which is why I'd have a chat with them and see how committed to the club they are.

 

[HTPunter]

Ive been saying this for a couple of years: Not having a quality small forward alongside Greene has cost them a flag the last few years.

And they need a ruckman. And Davis isnt getting any younger, and rucks and KPP take a couple of years. Not sure if they have anyone at NEAFL level waiting for the chance.

For the next 2-3 years can see them topping up with out of favour senior ruckman. Maybe Jacobs this year, Stef Martin 2021 etc. Then their project options - namely Flynn- should have pushed past into the number 1 role. Would expect the Giants want him to focus on rehab leading into 2021 where it becomes a O'Brien v Jacobs selection case.

Haynes, Corr, Taylor mean they don't need an immediate replacement for Davis I don't think. Draft a KD this year, will be ready in 3-5 years.

 

[Colonial]

Cogs leaving, while painful if it happens, won't be the end of the club.

Haynes and Greene are lifers.

Davis, Ward, Hopper, Taranto, HH, Finlayson, Taylor, Hill, Kelly all going nowhere.

Flynn and Briggs are our long term rucks. Need a Mid aged Ruck to cover till they are ready.
Our only issue this trade period really.

We are no one man club.

 

[Bay Giant]

No it doesn't, however, if Kelly and Whitfield are hesitant long-term, and see cogs having success at another club, I guarantee they'd both be chances to leave next season. Which is why I'd have a chat with them and see how committed to the club they are.

How are they going to see Cogs have success at another club?

You said;

If they aren't committed to the club long-term, I would off-load them as I would want my players to be fuly committed to the club. You'd get a better return now then if you were to wait until next season and have them leave in Free agency.

If we off-load them now, what success will they see Cogs achieve at another club?

 

[Colonial]

Whose to say Cogs will have success elsewhere.

Shiel isn't exactly having a blast in Bomberland.

 

[scratchy09]

Cogs leaving, while painful if it happens, won't be the end of the club.

Haynes and Greene are lifers.

Davis, Ward, Hopper, Taranto, HH, Finlayson, Taylor, Hill, Kelly all going nowhere.

Flynn and Briggs are our long term rucks. Need a Mid aged Ruck to cover till they are ready.
Our only issue this trade period really.

We are no one man club.

Im not concerned in any of the ones you mentioned bar Whitfield and Kelly. Kelly especially as he has been heavily linked to North in the past. I just think you should at least talk to them to know where their head is at.

 

[Colonial]

Im not concerned in any of the ones you mentioned bar Whitfield and Kelly. Kelly especially as he has been heavily linked to North in the past. I just think you should at least talk to them to know where their head is at.

Me talking to them won't do much, but I'm sure the club is into them and in dialogue. Especially Whitfield with his contract ending next year.
Kelly just re-signed and has an extension on the table ready for him to go.

 

[Lore]

GWS looking to trade up the order so that they can get a pick in before Tom Green (academy prospect) is expected to be bid on

Why the Giants are eyeing off the Demons' No.2 draft pick

GWS is eyeing Melbourne's No.2 draft pick as it tries to trade in a selection before another club bids on Academy hotshot Tom Green

www.afl.com.au

Article says they expect the bid at about pick 3 or 4, so eying off pick 2 (Melbourne's pick).

 

[The 747]

One player does not make a team.

Really like the way the Giants have managed their list, they have lost players which was to be expected and dealt with that professionally by trading players out and using those picks to spread the age profile. Happily helped players who weren't getting opportunities get to the club of their choice and have managed to keep most of the players they really wanted.

Green is a fair bonus pick though.

 

[Tig017]

All year we've been hearing about how good Tom Green is, and how he's just as good as the top two picks Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson. GWS spent a ton of draft currency just to trade their way up ahead of Sydney and Adelaide just to ensure they could select a player before a bid came through for Green.

So why did he last all the way to pick 10?

Considering the sacrifices GWS had to make just to get pick 4, there is no way they weren't going to leave tonight without Green + a top 5 pick. A simple bid from Sydney or Adelaide, who were perpetually linked to Green, would've 100% resulted in GWS matching, leaving them with a deficit next year, which would've been a first.

Yet somehow, this superstar junior who plays like Patrick Cripps drifts all the way out to 10. How exactly? It's not like Sydney, Adelaide and Fremantle wouldn't have loved a player like Green, and even if they didn't, it's a free swing that forces GWS to pile on the points debt. So it begs the question: did the AFL step in behind the scenes to provide leeway for their project again? Going into deficit would've heavily compromised GWS's offseason in 11 months time, especially after already trading their future first to Adelaide, and naturally, this wouldn't please the AFL.

I mean, Fremantle selected Caleb Serong, an inside midfield who is almost universally rated lower than Green. How can such a decision be explained outside the notion of the AFL asking them not to bid on Green, or else...

 

[Carbine Chaos]

It’s almost as though the clubs have their own preferences, strategies and orders that differ from Bigfooty group think and the media.

Bizarre.

 

[ManOfClay]

What pick did the player who plays like Patrick Cripps and was actually born Patrick Cripps “drift” out to?

 

[Moeydw]

All year we've been hearing about how good Tom Green is, and how he's just as good as the top two picks Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson. GWS spent a ton of draft currency just to trade their way up ahead of Sydney and Adelaide just to ensure they could select a player before a bid came through for Green.

So why did he last all the way to pick 10?

Considering the sacrifices GWS had to make just to get pick 4, there is no way they weren't going to leave tonight without Green + a top 5 pick. A simple bid from Sydney or Adelaide, who were perpetually linked to Green, would've 100% resulted in GWS matching, leaving them with a deficit next year, which would've been a first.

Yet somehow, this superstar junior who plays like Patrick Cripps drifts all the way out to 10. How exactly? It's not like Sydney, Adelaide and Fremantle wouldn't have loved a player like Green, and even if they didn't, it's a free swing that forces GWS to pile on the points debt. So it begs the question: did the AFL step in behind the scenes to provide leeway for their project again? Going into deficit would've heavily compromised GWS's offseason in 11 months time, especially after already trading their future first to Adelaide, and naturally, this wouldn't please the AFL.

I mean, Fremantle selected Caleb Serong, an inside midfield who is almost universally rated lower than Green. How can such a decision be explained outside the notion of the AFL asking them not to bid on Green, or else...

The Sydney recruiter made it clear before the draft on the afl.com.au draft show that they weren't going to bid for the sake of bidding and would only bid if they felt he was the best choice at their selection.

 

[StonesThrow]

I rate him right up there but lots of us also thought Robertson would be long gone as well.

 

[Wines to cripps]

Haha! Do you even follow footy ? Tell me which club needed a inside mid (had a knee op and only plays inside mid and he was always rated 4 to 10

Crows no they are trying to get rid of the crouch bros

Swans maybe but picked a better outside player

Freo. Picked the best kick and a great mid/forward

Dees heck no.

 

[Yoda_]

Listening to the draft broadcast on the AFL app (so, so, SO, SOOO much better than the FoxFooty try hard version in real time), Cal Twomey, Riley Beverdige and Nat Edwards all said the same thing, the Giants had no idea the development he made in 2019 was going to happen. In fact, the scope for midfield at AFL level was still somewhat in doubt such is his one - pace but the ability seems to be there.

As pointed out, Patty Cripps himself went at 13 (iirc), so having a guy projecting a similar scope of improvement is not surprising. The Green bid came from a club who ultimately didn't end up even having that draft pick in the end (Carlton), that was the most surprising.

 

[juss]

I don't think there's any funny business here. But the GWS talent cycle continues, another elite kid(s) gotten for a good price, sooner or later some other elite players will be forced out or ask for a trade, they will get in more first rounders and the cycle continues.

They really do have a ridiculously talented list.

I'm not a big fan of these academies for any club, don't feel it's improving anything.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Well don't blame us, Melbourne could (and should) have bid on Green, probably the Swans as well.

Don't think it's a conspiracy so much as clubs wanting to be in the Giants good books next time one of their decent young players who are probably surplus to requirements up there, want to return home for.more opportunity.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I don't think there's any funny business here. But the GWS talent cycle continues, another elite kid(s) gotten for a good price, sooner or later some other elite players will be forced out or ask for a trade, they will get in more first rounders and the cycle continues.

They really do have a ridiculously talented list.

I'm not a big fan of these academies for any club, don't feel it's improving anything.

You just wait till once the Darwin academy/zone starts bearing fruit for the Suns, sooner rather than later

 

[Macros]

People who run with the big, bad AFL conspiracy theories, be it them doctoring the Dogs' premiership to get the Hemsworth publicity or for some other reason, telling clubs not to bid on Green, or a number of other wacky scenarios I've seen on BF have to be some of the biggest ****ing morons out there.

 

[Yojimbo]

I feel for Green a little, imagine trying to break into the GWS midfield saying that I was surprised Carlton were
the only club to bid and then did not even hang around to select a player. And what of Liam Delahunty and the
other GWS academy guys I hope there is another club who have seen enough of them to take a chance. I for
one don't like all the pick swapping and bids for players, but it seems to be the future.