Play Nice Héritier Lumumba blasts Collingwood's racist treatment of him during his career (Civil discussion please)

[JMarra]

I'm sure Pendleburys basketball background will help him evade these allegations.

 

[NoobPie]

wow so you're an amateur psychologist as well as amateur sociologist. Impressive!

And what the F are you?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

And what the F are you?

a collingwood supporter.

 

[NoobPie]

a collingwood supporter.

That isn't relying on his own judgements about character of people he doesn't know?

 

[Reg Grundy35]

That isn't relying on his own judgements about character of people he doesn't know?

i don't think i was the one who claimed he had a personality disorder. have you met him?

 

[hawkman]

I think what he said last night should make him ashamed, so many people replying to his presser on twitter saying it was a big comment or whatever

He denied hearing (more than once) any racism directed toward Heritier and implied it was he who had the issue & mental health problems that caused the problem. So now is he accepting that they weren't good enough? Why doesn't he just say that. "We are sorry for how you were treated, it wasn't good enough, come & see where we're at now" instead of wanting to speak to him privately and show him around. Heritier has been publicly derided over this for years, made to look/sound crazy - apologise publicly & do something to restore public opinion of him, wanting to keep it all private after humiliating him in public saying he has mental/personal issues is not fair.

Risk of legal action against Collingwood and even the AFL may possibly prevent that kind of apology

 

[DapperJong]

I mean, that's basically an admission by Buckley.

 

[Oraaaaazio]

Risk of legal action against Collingwood and even the AFL may possibly prevent that kind of apology

Did think that too which is sad but a possibility. Public apology = admission of guilt & a lawsuit. TBF it's probably deserved based on what is out there - monkey name calling & environment allowing racist jokes without digging too deep. Would be a huge moment in sport though if it were to happen.

 

[NoobPie]

i don't think i was the one who claimed he had a personality disorder. have you met him?

No. I am basing it on a large set of historic behaviour and a hack understanding of B cluster personality disorders. I certainly never claimed it was a clinical diagnosis

 

[NoobPie]

I mean, that's basically an admission by Buckley.

How?

 

[Oraaaaazio]

I mean, that's basically an admission by Buckley.

yeah but it's not an explicit admission which is prob the difference, what he said could be open to interpretation to some degree as far as courts are concerned. If he came out and flat out said it happened & wasn't good enough then not so much.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

No. I am basing it on a large set of historic behaviour and a hack understanding of B cluster personality disorders. I certainly never claimed it was a clinical diagnosis

probably best you just STFU then on his psychological profile.

 

[NoobPie]

yeah but it's not an explicit admission which is prob the difference, what he said could be open to interpretation to some degree as far as courts are concerned. If he came out and flat out said it happened & wasn't good enough then not so much.

What are you even talking about???!!!

Seriously how ridiculous some of you people are. Apparently your not allowed to highlight HL's career of blatant grandiosity but you muppets are now pouring over Buckley's post match olive branch for gotcha's

Almost comical

 

[DapperJong]

How?

If you go back and look at the first letter of each sentence it says "i hate black people".

 

[NoobPie]

probably best you just STFU then on his psychological profile.

Naaah

 

[NoobPie]

If you go back and look at the first letter of each sentence it says "i hate black people".

And if you play it backwards he is actually quoting Mein Kampf

 

[Oraaaaazio]

What are you even talking about???!!!

Seriously how ridiculous some of you people are. Apparently your not allowed to highlight HL's career of blatant grandiosity but you muppets are now pouring over Buckley's post match olive branch for gotcha's

Almost comical

You're embarrassing yourself with the mental gymnastics trying to find reasons Collingwood Football Club didn't racially abuse Heritier Lumumba and trying to diagnose him with a personality disorder. So what if he did have one!? It doesn't discredit his claims & they were still racist to him. Nobody deserves to be racially abused, called racist names or have racist jokes made about them. Your club enabled that. Cop it sweet.

 

[NoobPie]

You're embarrassing yourself with the mental gymnastics trying to find reasons Collingwood Football Club didn't racially abuse Heritier Lumumba and trying to diagnose him with a personality disorder. So what if he did have one!? It doesn't discredit his claims & they were still racist to him. Nobody deserves to be racially abused, called racist names or have racist jokes made about them. Your club enabled that. Cop it sweet.

I am "embarrassing" myself now.

You are a ridiculous hypocrite

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

There's no way you can watch that doco and think Buckley and Collingwood weren't out of line with how they treated Lumumba.

The coach openly made gay jokes and mocked Lumumba for being too sensitive.

Bucks really needs to answer the claims made against him in that doco. They're too big to ignore.

 

[Oraaaaazio]

I am "embarrassing" myself now.

You are a ridiculous hypocrite

Have a good weekend Noob

 

[NoobPie]

There's no way you can watch that doco and think Buckley and Collingwood weren't out of line with how they treated Lumumba.

The coach openly made gay jokes and mocked Lumumba for being too sensitive.

Bucks really needs to answer the claims made against him in that doco. They're too big to ignore.

Which doco?

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

Which doco?

Fair Game. Came out in 2017 when these accusations were first made.

 

[NoobPie]

Fair Game. Came out in 2017 when these accusations were first made.

Would you say that doco was balanced?

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

Would you say that doco was balanced?

What do you mean by balanced? Docos always take an angle and lean into who is talking.

They had Mark Robinson, Nick Maxwell and Mick Malthouse on it, but if Eddie McGuire and Nathan Buckley don't want to speak about this issue how can you show both sides equally? Having the premiership captain on is probably as balanced as you're going to get I would've thought given the silence from one of the sides.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Would you say that doco was balanced?

not in your favour obviously.

 

[garlic munchers]

Seems as if we had steady progress towards reducing racism in Australia, albeit far too slow for those affected.

However, all the great reconciliations in history have come about because parties put aside their differences and move on, not seek to highlight each and every actual and perceived injustice and apportioning blame on the basis of a racial stereotype.

Even the rhetoric of many protesters is all wrong.

Saying all black people should not be blamed for the criminal activity of a few member of the community, but being happy to blame all of the police for the actions of few racist police officers and to want all white people to apologise for the actions of the British Monarchy from 4/5 generations ago.

As a descendant of two of the first convicts of Scottish heritage brought to Australia, I have identified the following parties that I should have grievance with; therefore want an apology and compensation

1. The British Monarchy;
2. The British Government;
3. The British People;
4. The Australian Government and you people because you were complicit in allowing two teenagers to be ripped from their homes for minor crimes and transported away to a distant, strange land so as to never return;
5. The Normans;
6. The Anglo-Saxons;
7. The Vikings; and
8. The Romans.

And don't me started on the Christians who ruined all the fun my ancestors had practicing paganism (no not the Dennis variety).