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Although other schools might not agree, Hailebury provide great competition, and are the hunted in most sports. People say they dont have school spirit yet they seem to do well in sports which involes bonding in saying that i would love to see skevs,scotch,xavs knock them off in football 2007.
 
biz1 said:
Although other schools might not agree, Hailebury provide great competition, and are the hunted in most sports. People say they dont have school spirit yet they seem to do well in sports which involes bonding in saying that i would love to see skevs,scotch,xavs knock them off in football 2007.
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Although from Scotch, i have to agree. Very well said. Haileybury are a very hunted out school, and it seems many schools, including Scotch are jealous of them. Well said biz 1.
 
jase147 said:
Let’s say your figures were current and reliable Davo – which they are most certainly not (RE: my previous post)! All they could ever prove is that Haileybury gets more funding than other private schools in the APS. However, the funding they receive compares fairly evenly to other private schools like Trinity Grammar, Woodleigh School and Toorak College. Moreover, there is a reason Haileybury receives such funding.

“Under the federal government's socioeconomic status model, schools are allocated funds according to where their students live…Consequently, a very rich school that enrols large numbers of students from suburbs lower on the socioeconomic scale can gather millions of dollars.”

Haileybury has an extremely large catchment area (most likely the biggest of any School in Victoria). We have approximately 15 school busses everyday dropping students off in all parts of Melbourne, and beyond. Not every student that goes to Haileybury is rich. This is what makes the school fantastic. It breeds a culture of people who do not necessarily live in the best areas. Rather, it contains many hardworking parents who are prepared to sacrifice in order to send their kids to a great private School. That is why we get the funding over the rich boys at Scotch for example, whose families are mainly concentrated in wealthier areas closer to the City.

Now you may claim we use this funding for the wrong reasons in buying scholarships. However, you couldn’t be further from the truth. In the past year, Haileybury has undergone many structural changes to better our academic program. In excess of 10 million dollars has been spent on buildings such as a new Lecture Hall etc, at the Senior School. Our “ghetto” as you call it, more closely resembles a University with the facilities we possess, thanks, in part, to the funding we deservedly receive.

Your argument that “ALL principals in September 2005” agreed that “10% (of scholarships) in any one squad constituted a breech of APS regulations” is a fascinating one. It is interesting because such an agreement is obviously very loosely followed. Take St Kevins at last year’s APS Athletics. From what I heard they had approximately half their team bought. I’m pretty sure 50% is greater than 10%. Do you agree Davo? Also, such an agreement is easily avoidable. Under the rules, all Haileybury would have to do is increase its Football Squad to 150 to guarantee its 15 scholarship players. Not a bad loophole, if you ask me, considering there appears to be no cap on the amount of players in a squad.

On a final note, after all the flaws I pointed out in your previous arguments, the one you persist with is the “School Motto”. Your claim that “Xavier were in the APS since the 1800s” is “farcical” considering the APS commenced in 1900. Furthermore, Haileybury was started in 1892. It’s original motto was “Altera Terra” (in another land) to singnify the establishment of the new Haileybury in Australia from the parent school in England. Page 21 of the School Diary dictates that “it was decided in 1954 to couple the Motto of Haileybury, England, ‘Sursum Corda’ (‘Lift up your hearts’) to the original ‘Altera Terra’”. This was done because it was viewed that the initial motto “lacked an obvious moral or spiritual significance”. The motto is appropriate to Haileybury because our official school hymn is “Lift up your hearts”. The Sursum Corda has direct links to Haileybury, England, which is older than Xavier. So I strongly doubt it would have been necessary to be “polite” and “check if anyone else had that motto”.
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mate i go to st. kevins. there were 3 people in the athletics squad of approximately 50+ boys that were on scholarship. pretty sure thats less than 50%. one of the athletes is not even on a full scholarship and only got a scholarship because the melbourne storm wanted this particular boy to go to a kick-ass rubgy school. there were 2 guys that helped us win and by no means was our squad 50% bought. 50% of 50 is 25 and i dont think that st kevins has even given scholarships to 25 boys for sport. so you can take those comments and shove them up you know where. im sorry to say but when hailebury eventually do get kicked out of the APS, i doubt that there will be many tears shed over it.

in reply to biz1's comments i would love to see it too, but i think that hailebury will be outted of the APS before the football season comes around (hopefully).
 

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Footy010 said:
Doesnt matter what they were recruited for they are still emplyed by the school, which is a joke. and it wasnt half it was 3 people so get your facts right u checkbook
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Sorry the facts are that Andrews, Lynch, Collins, Kibby, Tunik and Tormey played First 11 cricket and First 18 football. More than half the cricket side played football.
 
The real issue is not that Haileybury gives out too many scholarships, it is the contrary. The other schools are not as generous in offering scholarships beit academic, arts or sporting to those that cannot afford to attend an APS school.

The fact is that those attending APS schools are there not because they are bright or talented. It is because in the main parents can afford to send us there. This unfortunately does not guarantee any student a place in activites such as the school band, the debating team or a sporting team.
 
Davo, luv ur work mate. i don't have the facts in front of me, but i am convinced u do. jase, give it a rest mate, its a lost cause. give up pal. guys on scholarships playing 2nd football? sounds a bit dodgy mate...but thats just word around the traps, do correct me if im wrong, as youve been so willing to do previously in this thread. maybe another enlightening spiel. ur blissful naivety and bias is hilarious.
 
DirtyHeardy talks of my “blissful naivety and bias”. Yet, of course Davo and others’ spiteful comments against Haileybury contain no bias at all. The fact that these people attend (or have attended) rival APS schools makes them perfectly impartial on the matter. Dream on DirtyHeardy!

In regards to Steveo and Barradige’s comments:
Both of you claim that places such as Scotch contain greater school spirit than Haileybury because they have more ex-students giving donations to their schools. Yet, when were donations ever criteria for school spirit? These rich ex-pupils donate their money in an agreement that a building or an oval etc will be named after them. They see it as a business transaction. It’s not school spirit. It’s merely a bragging right for these people higher up in the socio-economic scale. At their cocktail parties they can boastfully proclaim they have a “boat shed” named after them at Scotch College (or whatever).
Real school spirit is getting 1000 Haileyburians down to the deciding APS Soccer match in 2005. Real school spirit is those 1000 Haileyburians then erupting in an absolute frenzy when the winning goal was scored in the dying minutes. Real school spirit is coming back from 4 or 5 goals down in the last quarter to defeat Scotch College, on their turf, and share the 2006 Football Premiership. Believe me, Haileybury knows what school spirit is!
 
In regards to my good mate Davo’s comments:
Please don’t try and pull a blanket over the eyes of everyone in this forum. Your statistics are “bogus”! The link in question is this:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/14/1094927561170.html
No where on the site does it state that the figures are for “Yr 10-12” as you suggest. At the bottom of the statistics provided, it quite clearly states for “Year 6 only”. There is no asterisk next to “St Peter’s” to suggest that the “Year 6 only” tag applies to this school alone, like you claim.
Moreover, the figures given are from “2001-2004” which is significant because you maintain this “was when Haileybury commenced their unscrupulous barrage of scholarships”. In the Football in 2001 Haileybury came 7th, in 2002, 10th and in 2003, =6th. Only in 2004 we started to use our “excessive” scholarships to win the flag. Hence, not only are your statistics for the wrong year level (ie- Year 6) but they represent 4 years of which only one year is relevant (2004). Better figures for you to find me (that my actually support your argument) would be for the school funding between 2004-2007 for Yr 10-12. Good luck with that!
Secondly, you make it out as if you’ve made a medical breakthrough uncovering the damning letter which proves Bruce Norton (the Under 15 Vic coach) works at Haileybury. So the guy works here. What’s your point? You claim that it will provide Haileybury with an opportunity to ““screen” for potential recruits”. However, where is your evidence? Haileybury has had a number of Under 15 Victorian State representatives in their First XVIII side. Yet, they were at Haileybury before making the Vic team. Haileybury has not used the Under 15 state side to screen for players. Representatives including Ash Smith, Tyrone Vickery and Tom Lynch (off the top of my head) were in Haileybury colours long before they were in the Vic side. The only one that might support your argument is Scully. But how can you categorically say he was screened from the State team? That is ridiculous and cannot be proven.
Furthermore, this entire furore about Bruce Norton is unwarranted. Your comments of screening are sheer “guesswork”. You said it yourself - there is a “potential” to screen, but it doesn’t mean it has occurred or will occur.
Like you suggest, our principal believes our scholarship days are over. So why would there be any malice intended with such a move as hiring Bruce Norton? Maybe you’re focusing on Haileybury’s past track record too much, instead of looking ahead. Perhaps Haileybury simply hired a “good” coach to lift the level of football in our junior, developmental years – so that scholarships will not be needed in the future.
Ultimately, you don’t know Haileybury’s motivation. I don’t know Haileybury’s motivation. All this commotion of Norton’s appointment is conjecture.
In actual fact, surprisingly he is a teacher by trade. Gees that makes perfect sense, considering he was hired by a school! I think you’re all reading a little too much into it. Just get off Haileybury’s back and let Mr Norton teach Art.
 
DirtyHeardy said:
Davo, luv ur work mate. i don't have the facts in front of me, but i am convinced u do. jase, give it a rest mate, its a lost cause. give up pal. guys on scholarships playing 2nd football? sounds a bit dodgy mate...but thats just word around the traps, do correct me if im wrong, as youve been so willing to do previously in this thread. maybe another enlightening spiel. ur blissful naivety and bias is hilarious.
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dw ive herd about scholarship playas playing 2nds aswell
 
jase147 said:
DirtyHeardy talks of my “blissful naivety and bias”. Yet, of course Davo and others’ spiteful comments against Haileybury contain no bias at all. The fact that these people attend (or have attended) rival APS schools makes them perfectly impartial on the matter. Dream on DirtyHeardy!

In regards to Steveo and Barradige’s comments:
Both of you claim that places such as Scotch contain greater school spirit than Haileybury because they have more ex-students giving donations to their schools. Yet, when were donations ever criteria for school spirit? These rich ex-pupils donate their money in an agreement that a building or an oval etc will be named after them. They see it as a business transaction. It’s not school spirit. It’s merely a bragging right for these people higher up in the socio-economic scale. At their cocktail parties they can boastfully proclaim they have a “boat shed” named after them at Scotch College (or whatever).
Real school spirit is getting 1000 Haileyburians down to the deciding APS Soccer match in 2005. Real school spirit is those 1000 Haileyburians then erupting in an absolute frenzy when the winning goal was scored in the dying minutes. Real school spirit is coming back from 4 or 5 goals down in the last quarter to defeat Scotch College, on their turf, and share the 2006 Football Premiership. Believe me, Haileybury knows what school spirit is!
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just out of curiosity...who cares about the APS soccer...seriously??? clearly hailebury but do any other schools???
 
jase147 said:
DirtyHeardy talks of my “blissful naivety and bias”. Yet, of course Davo and others’ spiteful comments against Haileybury contain no bias at all. The fact that these people attend (or have attended) rival APS schools makes them perfectly impartial on the matter. Dream on DirtyHeardy!

In regards to Steveo and Barradige’s comments:
Both of you claim that places such as Scotch contain greater school spirit than Haileybury because they have more ex-students giving donations to their schools. Yet, when were donations ever criteria for school spirit? These rich ex-pupils donate their money in an agreement that a building or an oval etc will be named after them. They see it as a business transaction. It’s not school spirit. It’s merely a bragging right for these people higher up in the socio-economic scale. At their cocktail parties they can boastfully proclaim they have a “boat shed” named after them at Scotch College (or whatever).
Real school spirit is getting 1000 Haileyburians down to the deciding APS Soccer match in 2005. Real school spirit is those 1000 Haileyburians then erupting in an absolute frenzy when the winning goal was scored in the dying minutes. Real school spirit is coming back from 4 or 5 goals down in the last quarter to defeat Scotch College, on their turf, and share the 2006 Football Premiership. Believe me, Haileybury knows what school spirit is!
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Yeh maybe mate, but have you ever been to the APS Athletics???
Rain, hail or shine, SKC always outnumbers every other school by about 3 to 1 and dont stop chanting until its over.
The majority of the school go, compared with about 25 haileybury supporters quietly sitting there in the top corner of olympic park.
 
Seanus what's your comment got to do with anything? My argument was about Haileybury's school spirit. Yet, you seem content to go off on a tangent about an example i used. The fact that you disregard Soccer so much, has no worth in this debate. Alternatively, it highlights my point that Haileybury has extreme school spirit to even support a crappy sport like soccer, as you suggest.
 
Jase, stop kidding yourself. If you want to see a real display of school spirit i invite you to come down the Cordner-Eggleston (Scotch vs Mgs) Rd 1. You will see a crowd of around 5000 past and present students of both these schools. You will only be able to understand what true school spirit is after you have witnessed one of these matches.

Also just wondering if you'd noticed there are plenty of people agains Hailebury in this forum, almost all APS schools being represented, but you seem to be the only on the side of Hailebury. You're a cool kid mate, you keep going with that.
 

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exactly steveo. jaes, you've obviously never been to a xavier vs scotch or xavier vs assumption match. it is one of the biggest events on the xavier calender, sporting or otherwise. and ill accept that there was bias in my statement (my bad) but i don't see any other halieybury supporters (eg love.for.the.sherrin) coming on and backing ya up on this one. perhaps they see both sides of the argument and have acknowledged that the amount of money haileybury splashes out is ridiculous. so please do continue ur 1 vs 15-20 argument, ur going well
 
although your attemps to make Haileybury seem like a decent place we all no you are full of it! no matter what Pargeder has assured you let me say that you hunt talented sports men and women to make your school seem succesful! Well im calling your bluff!

As a former student of the college i can vouch for moral being low and full fee paing kids not happy with the scholarship boys and how they "walk in like they own the place!"

Hate to burst your bubble buddie but the only reason you got the captanicy gig was so that your delegate can say but our Captain aint on a scholarship... the one and only mate im sure... kids in year 7 get scholarships... thats just bizare! OR are you just a spud cover like Mr Lynch pretending to coach the XVIII whilst stewie lowe does all the hard work?

And this **** you spin about giving disadvantaged kids a chance... half the boys you buy are already at the school and apply for the easily aquiered schoolarship or have attended AGS schools unable to compete with your big "APS SCHOOL OFFER"

Being a Xava i hate scotchies more than you but to be fair they hand out sponserships to indigenous boys who actually deserve a decent crack at an education! People still pay for their education unlike your boys who get a free ride on the back of the minority of full fee paing students. and as for the scotch boat club... just because they have old boys that actually enjoyed their education and are willing to give ack to a school that gave them so much... its about tradition not cheating> allschools fund their sheds by donations... just cause no on outside your elustrious bubble gives a rats ass about your boat club doesnt mean everyone else os cheating... your fishing for a diversion that just aint there buddie!

Let me guess your in the debating team to... listen you can write an essay in reply to everyones comments and it will all be pro[aganda that is fed to you on a gold plate at HC... the truth is no one cares what your biased nieave oppinon is...WE ALL JUST LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN YOU GET KICKED OUT OF THE APS!!!!!

Yours Truley,
Ben Conodn
Proud Xava and thanks the lord every day i still dont go to that **** hole you call a school!!!
 
jase is very respectful for trying to put his argument to support haileybury but with every other school going against just him its not possible for him to solely go it alone, and the only reason he is going it alone is because everyone else is sick of hearing it and whenever they see something about bagging or putting down haileybury they dont even bother defending their school because its just not possible to argue with every other school in the aps.

please stop babbling on about whether scholarships are justifiable or not and get on with actually talking about other football interests.
 
I dont know why people are writting such arguments these convo's arnt going to change the thoughts of every non-****er or non haileybury shmitter. everyone will still belive that haileybury are the scum of the earth and dont deserve to get fod at night
 
ey love.for.the.sherrin, is that you lynchy? coz perhaps your arrogance is getting a bit out of control. i mean, pumping urself up as the best sportsmen in the aps, thats a little bit far. but if it ain't you, well whoever is giving you the praise is certainly convinced. im a xaver, and i think of haileybury the way rickybobby does, scum of the earth. but perhaps us and the rest of the aps are wrong. oh well.
 
love.for.the.sherrin said:
jase is very respectful for trying to put his argument to support haileybury but with every other school going against just him its not possible for him to solely go it alone, and the only reason he is going it alone is because everyone else is sick of hearing it and whenever they see something about bagging or putting down haileybury they dont even bother defending their school because its just not possible to argue with every other school in the aps.

please stop babbling on about whether scholarships are justifiable or not and get on with actually talking about other football interests.
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Im assuming this is adam or dan either way it means nuthing 2 my point... every1 else has layed out valid and honest reasons for everything your skippa has argued... you and jase simple dodge the bullets with vaig and unrelated banter you barley believe yourself! grow up and snap out of it!!
 
yeh nice one condon!! how would you know about lynchy and the way he coaches? even if you were still at haileybury you wouldn't have a clue coz you would be playing 3rds or 2nds.
 

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